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Someone's Having a Real Laugh - How long before Amorim gets a hammering


Clem H Fandango
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26 minutes ago, chrisbonnie said:

I just watched them on match of the day, I generally can't stomach them for any more than 10 minutes, so highlights is all I can stretch to these days. 

 

One noticeable conclusion is zonal marking at set pieces. It doesn't work in England, never has, and never will. But let's hope he persists with it 

We had all that zonal stuff with Rafa but the point is that its almost always a mixture of zonal and man to man that is most successful. Marking a post is zonal after all.

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40 minutes ago, joe_fishfish said:

Weird one. Ashworth has done a decent job everywhere he’s been except there. He went there and somehow their summer dealings were basically, sign more of Ten Hag’s old Ajax team. I don’t believe that strategy was Ashworth’s. Maybe he’s got the boot because he didn’t push back harder on that, maybe Amorim has demanded his own sporting director in place instead. Seems like another example of how dysfunctional Man Utd are.

 

It's telling that the last two clubs Ashworth has been at the majority of his work has been in appointing staff from clubs throughout the league to build the big positional scouting and analysis set ups.

 

At Utd the focus has been on buying named players and beating clubs to players because it's a good look rather than a good move hoping it  gives an impression of structure.

 

Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he jumped because their are too many people vying for the limelight and not willing to fix the underlying issues (Berrada seems to have been the driving force behind the Yoro signing for example).

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1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

We had all that zonal stuff with Rafa but the point is that its almost always a mixture of zonal and man to man that is most successful. Marking a post is zonal after all.

 

That's what I was thinking, we don't defend set pieces the same as we did under rafa, where we were constantly out muscled or out maneuverd in conceding goals. 

 

They're defending exactly like Rafa did 

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23 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

You do know that we have used zonal marking at set pieces to great effect for several years now? Since Virgil and Ali arrived we have one of the best set piece defensive records. It does help that Virgil is so dominant at winning headers, and Firmino was also brilliant at getting his head on the ball at the front post.

 

The Zonal Marking V Man Marking is always such a weirdly one sided nonsense debate, I blame SKy, they had a real bugbear with it years back to the point they'd highlight every goal conceded by teams who use it as a fundamental failing of the system whereas any goal conceded through man marking was just what happens in football.

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Just now, Megadrive Man said:

Ratcliffe seems like some trigger happy hot headed billionaire. I initially thought he might turn things around for them but now I think he might actually make them worse!


Agree with that entirely. I think he’s been oversold, and likes to be paws~on everything.

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1 minute ago, Megadrive Man said:

This is rumoured to be the reason.

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Imagine it's slightly more nuanced than that.

 

It was always odd that they conducted a review and couldn't find a manager to replace Ten Hag yet a few months later went to the manager who was available in the summer to replace him they'd already deemed not suitable.

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1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Sounds like he knows exactly what he's doing! All he's done so far is cut costs by sacking people. 

 

The cost cutting has probably been wiped out by giving Ashworth/Ten Hag new deals and sacking them months later then appointing replacements.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

The Zonal Marking V Man Marking is always such a weirdly one sided nonsense debate, I blame SKy, they had a real bugbear with it years back to the point they'd highlight every goal conceded by teams who use it as a fundamental failing of the system whereas any goal conceded through man marking was just what happens in football.

 

Sky are still at it. I heard that dickhead redknapp say the other week he prefers man to man because at least it gives you someone to blame. What type of a fucking approach is that to anything, where the entire aim of a system that will fail, is geared to blaming someone. 

 

11 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

Ratcliffe seems like some trigger happy hot headed billionaire. I initially thought he might turn things around for them but now I think he might actually make them worse!

 

The Glazers have played an absolute blinder here. They were getting all kinds of shit. Then they sell him 25% of the club, which they can buy back if they get the deal they were looking for, allow him to run the footballing side which they had no interest in anyway, then allowing him to become their lightning rod. And if it turns out he knows what he's doing they benefit from that too. 

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7 minutes ago, Clem H Fandango said:

i don't think Jim can fix it.

 

Sneaky suspicion he is not there for the long haul and is hoping for someone to buy his stake off him at a reasonable profit.

 

 

What makes you think that?  Just because literally everything he’s done up to now has lacked all principle and ethics,  treating people as worthless and profit as everything?

 

6 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

The Glazers have played an absolute blinder here. They were getting all kinds of shit. Then they sell him 25% of the club, which they can buy back if they get the deal they were looking for, allow him to run the footballing side which they had no interest in anyway, then allowing him to become their lightning rod. And if it turns out he knows what he's doing they benefit from that too. 

Very true. I look forward/ hope for the day when the Glazers have a fallout with Ratcliffe. It seems inevitable. Much like with Trump and the space Karen.

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1 hour ago, Lee909 said:

 

 

They realised he spent 200ml last summer and came out of it with one good rightback, 2 slow CB and another slow defensive midfielder and non scoring forward

I doubt he had much to do with anything. De Ligt and Mazraoui were obvious ten Hag picks and Yoro and Ugarte was the doing of Jorge Mendes. Zirkzee might have been ten Hag as well. He was probably doing nothing and the timing here makes it sound like he had nothing to do with the Amorim choice either.

 

What a profoundly stupid club they are.

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59 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

It's telling that the last two clubs Ashworth has been at the majority of his work has been in appointing staff from clubs throughout the league to build the big positional scouting and analysis set ups.

 

At Utd the focus has been on buying named players and beating clubs to players because it's a good look rather than a good move hoping it  gives an impression of structure.

 

Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he jumped because their are too many people vying for the limelight and not willing to fix the underlying issues (Berrada seems to have been the driving force behind the Yoro signing for example).

That’s kind of why it’s a weird one for me. Ashworth isn’t a chief scout or a data nerd himself, he’s a process guy, he’s meant to get all the departments working together and focusing on specific things that need sorting. He did that pretty well for Brighton and the FA. Why would Man Utd hire a guy like that and then appoint Berrada as well? Or blame Ashworth for the summer signings when choosing signings is not really his job? Seems like even more of a clusterfuck than I realised over there. 
 

Long may it continue.

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1 hour ago, littletedwest said:

Watched them lose yesterday in a pub in Manchester full of united fans. Very enjoyable watch.

I was wandering through to dinner with my missus in our hotel in Tunisia when I heard a fairly broad Manc accent call out 'Onana, you clown!' I hadn't realised there was a TV showing the footy. She's a massive Red too and was disappointed our game was off. We took a seat and just soaked up the almost palpable despair of this one fella.

 

Living through the 90s and 00s with them at the top was horrible. Long may this continue.

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