Wolves (A) - Sat 28th Sep 2024 (5:30pm)

[Shitty Arse]

It’s a carbon copy of a goal we gave away at Fulham on the title run in a few years back. Except that time it was Alisson and Virg doing the chuckle brothers routine. I was aghast at the time and remember it well as it happened right in front of me whilst in the Fulham end. 

[TheHowieLama]

4 hours ago, Scott_M said:

 

If we continue playing with a #10, I can see why we’re being linked with Wirtz and Musiala. 

 

He is not operating as a #10 - in fact it is the opposite. We don't want the ball on his foot.

[Scott_M]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

He is not operating as a #10 - in fact it is the opposite. We don't want the ball on his foot.

 

He's not Leonhardsen.

[TheSire]

14 hours ago, Razoray said:

Ir wasn't a great performance but I just watched MOTD and it confirmed what I thought. Wolves made us uncomfortable but we didn't give many chances to them. Did Allisson have to make any good saves? 

Pretty much. We looked scruffy and nervous at times, lots of hesitation, but also some flashes of decent play. We just struggled to put together good patterns but wolves were just more aggressive and I think the crowd noise helped them a bit. Sometimes it can make it feel like you're getting battered when it's just the crowd going nuts because they play a successful 2 yard pass.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Those sorts of incidents, the keeper is pretty much always the one who has to deal with it. For starters, they are the ones actually facing the action, and two, the whole point of having a keeper with Alisson's skill set is that he will take charge of those situations, instead of your defenders having to hoof it. Konaté obviously thinks Alisson would come get the ball, because that's his style and that's how the team normally operates.

 

We also see 3-4 of these kinds of miscommunications with Alisson every season, with different defenders.

The ball was heading harmlessly for the line and Konaté was between the attacker and the ball.  It's absolutely Ibou's job to make sure that nobody else reaches the ball before it goes out.

[Bob]

28 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The ball was heading harmlessly for the line and Konaté was between the attacker and the ball.  It's absolutely Ibou's job to make sure that nobody else reaches the ball before it goes out.

Yep. There's no doubt there's misunderstanding/miscommunication between the two, but with responsibility for that being shared between them, it has to then be on Ibou to keep the man out and own the situation.

 

It's nothing to get too upset about in the grand scheme of things, he played well overall with this one fuck up, and thankfully we got away with the win, but he's at fault and needs to learn from it.

[beejay]

We can't expect to win the league playing like that. Except we won't play like that too often, in the big games the intensity will be there and the senior players will stand up. 

[3 Stacks]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The ball was heading harmlessly for the line and Konaté was between the attacker and the ball.  It's absolutely Ibou's job to make sure that nobody else reaches the ball before it goes out.

Konaté shouldn't have to anticipate that Alisson will shit himself but there's probably a nanosecond where he could have realized he should have booted it.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

23 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Konaté shouldn't have to anticipate that Alisson will shit himself but there's probably a nanosecond where he could have realized he should have booted it.

The point is that it should never have been Alisson's problem. If Ibou had done his job, Ali could have sat on his line having a nice brew and doing a sudoku.

 

Granted, there was a fuck up between them once the attacker got the ball, and I've no doubt that will also be discussed in Kirkby this week; but the attacker should never have got the ball.

[3 Stacks]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The point is that it should never have been Alisson's problem. If Ibou had done his job, Ali could have sat on his line having a nice brew and doing a sudoku.

 

Granted, there was a fuck up between them once the attacker got the ball, and I've no doubt that will also be discussed in Kirkby this week; but the attacker should never have got the ball.

Of course it's Alisson's job. Poor understanding of what that situation was, but that's not surprising.

[Judge]

Some real weird comments about our midfield in this thread. 

 

You don`t lead the PL, having conceded only two goals and given away very few chances, if you have a shit midfield. 

 

We have controlled every game. We don`t have the turbo on for 90 minutes in every match, we slow down and control the games when we can. That will prove to be essential to keep the players fit over the whole season.

 

The three midfielders complement each other. Gravenberch have been a sensation, one of the few players that have proven me wrong, I thougth he was too weak and not aggressive enough to have a defensive role. 

 

Szlobo is extremely important for our press play and run most of all in every match. We can all agree though that he has to release his attacking potential and be more brave with the ball, and I am comfident this will come with time. 

 

Our world champion Macca, every coach`s dream, is always quietly effective, with regular glimpses of attacking creativity. The type of player that you rate more the more you understand of football. World class.

 

The only problem with our midfield is the depth if we get injuries to Grav or Macca.

[Red Shift]

10 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I thought he was shielding the ball to let it run out, as it would have if he hadn't made such a half-arsed effort at it.

You may be right.

I may be crazy.

But it just might be a lunatic, you’re looking for.

[Smell The Glove]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The point is that it should never have been Alisson's problem. If Ibou had done his job, Ali could have sat on his line having a nice brew and doing a sudoku.

But Alisson made it his problem by starting to come out. If Alisson stays put I'm fairly certain Ibou deals with it. There is blame for Ibou but for me the majority of it lies with Ali as he causes the confusion. As Bob says, nothing to get upset about.

[Jairzinho]

2 hours ago, Judge said:

Some real weird comments about our midfield in this thread. 

 

You don`t lead the PL, having conceded only two goals and given away very few chances, if you have a shit midfield. 

 

We have controlled every game. We don`t have the turbo on for 90 minutes in every match, we slow down and control the games when we can. That will prove to be essential to keep the players fit over the whole season.

 

The three midfielders complement each other. Gravenberch have been a sensation, one of the few players that have proven me wrong, I thougth he was too weak and not aggressive enough to have a defensive role. 

 

Szlobo is extremely important for our press play and run most of all in every match. We can all agree though that he has to release his attacking potential and be more brave with the ball, and I am comfident this will come with time. 

 

Our world champion Macca, every coach`s dream, is always quietly effective, with regular glimpses of attacking creativity. The type of player that you rate more the more you understand of football. World class.

 

The only problem with our midfield is the depth if we get injuries to Grav or Macca.

 

The only weird thing here is your size of font, you absolute danger.

[Judge]

26 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

The only weird thing here is your size of font, you absolute danger.

The excellent points in the post should make you able to endure the weird font size.

[polymerpunkah]

Konate stopped shielding the player from the ball, without knowing that Alisson had come for it.

 

He has to keep playing, and had he, they wouldn't have scored.

 

Alisson didn't quit playing, he just changed his mind.

 

 

 

 

[The wanderer]

9 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The ball was heading harmlessly for the line and Konaté was between the attacker and the ball.  It's absolutely Ibou's job to make sure that nobody else reaches the ball before it goes out.

Ibou didn’t get far enough across or set himself so he made it easy for the striker to muscle him off the ball . Worst case, he could have just put the ball out for a corner. 

[VladimirIlyich]

I don't think the Konate incident matters now. Every team has them and the test is how you get past them and we did that almost instantly and got the win. Shit happens and the team dealt with it. 

I put it down to Alisson temporarily losing his balance due to the loss of normal aerodynamic forces because his beard has gone. The Samson effect if you like.

[Anubis]

Konate should have just put it out for the corner. 

[Pidge]

19 hours ago, Shitty Arse said:

It’s a carbon copy of a goal we gave away at Fulham on the title run in a few years back. Except that time it was Alisson and Virg doing the chuckle brothers routine. I was aghast at the time and remember it well as it happened right in front of me whilst in the Fulham end. 

Not far off the Toure and Skrtel comedy show in 2014.

[Binomial]

It's easier to lie the fault with Ibou as he's in control of the ball before it's pinched off him, Ali can see everything that's going on, a simple shout to clear would've prevented what happened....instead he half came (which likely caused the action to shield) then stopped which left both he and Ibou in no mans land when Larsen robbed him of the ball. The big question is would Ali have held the ball if he kept on going? I think so because I don't believe the forward would've been as eager to challenge for the ball if he sees a keeper being decisive in that moment.

 

A mistake which both should hold equal responsibility for, thankfully it didn't affect the result and we move on. 

[Pidge]

It was a communication failure that could have cost us, but didn't, and was sorted out on the pitch. Not that arsed. 

 

October to decide whether we're serious about our position, November (and Dec 1st) to decide if we're favourites. Have barely played anyone yet. 

[elvis]

16 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Of course it's Alisson's job. Poor understanding of what that situation was, but that's not surprising.

Bollocks , Ibu should shield the ball until either the keeper comes or he gets rid himself. 

Easy stuff 

[Jairzinho]

Hope this conversation continues all season. It has been a banger.

[joe_fishfish]

Hasn't been pointed out yet, but Van Dijk is embarrassingly shit on the goal as well. Just plants his feet and turns his back.