Wolves (A) - Sat 28th Sep 2024 (5:30pm)

[Razoray]

3 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Poor performance. Seen this movie too many times before - too easy, lack intensity, drop points - thankfully not today. 
 

Learn from it, don’t perform like that next week (either match). 
 

Gravenberch has been the best midfielder in the Premiership this season. 

Ir wasn't a great performance but I just watched MOTD and it confirmed what I thought. Wolves made us uncomfortable but we didn't give many chances to them. Did Allisson have to make any good saves? 

[3 Stacks]

5 minutes ago, Bob said:

Yep, they were crap, no argument there. We deserved to beat them. Just disagree that pur performance was good that's all.

 

Our performance was better than theirs.

I think that being better than the other team away from home and giving them nothing other than a fluke gift of a goal counts as a measure.

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

I think that being better than the other team away from home and giving them nothing other than a fluke gift of a goal counts as a measure.

Not against "good performance" it doesn't. 

 

I dunno, maybe I'm just not cut out for sharing opinions on the modern footy forum where its either shit or great, but being better than a shit team doesn't equal good performance. It equals deserved result.

 

Away from home isn't easy, and we deserve some credit for them not doing much against us, but they were really very poor and are likely deservedly bottom of the league.

 

We were sloppy for quite a lot of the game, barely created anything more than a handful of chances and required a penalty to win the match.

 

Good result, average to below par performance. That's my view and I'm sticking with it.

[3 Stacks]

Just now, Bob said:

Not against "good performance" it doesn't. 

 

I dunno, maybe I'm just not cut out for sharing opinions on the modern footy forum where its either shit or great, but being better than a shit team doesn't equal good performance. It equals deserved result.

 

Away from home isn't easy, and we deserve some credit for them not doing much against us, but they were really very poor and are likely deservedly bottom of the league.

 

We were sloppy for quite a lot of the game, barely created anything more than a handful of chances and required a penalty to win the match.

 

Good result, average to below par performance. That's my view and I'm sticking with it.

If you take away all the nonsense, they did absolutely nothing and we did more than enough to score. You really don't have to overthink it. It's an away game after a midweek game.

[rubble-rouser]

3 hours ago, stringvest said:

he really hasn’t Scott.  More closely marked my arse.  No one’s giving him any special attention, why would they?   I really hope this isn’t as good as it gets.  He was definitely better playing for Brighton.  He’s a million miles away from being world class.  I’d settle for being good enough to play ina league winning side

Yeah. He’s git a very high ceiling and ed see evidence of it from time to time, but you can’t imagine the opposition losing sleep about having to play against him. When he’s on it, he is a potential world beater. There must be a good reason why Klopp & Slot don’t play him further  forward. 
 

that surely is his position

[rubble-rouser]

Anyhow, we won. Gonna win the quadruple etc

[Bob]

Just now, 3 Stacks said:

If you take away all the nonsense, they did absolutely nothing and we did more than enough to score. You really don't have to overthink it. It's an away game after a midweek game.

But none of that means we played well.

 

If you take away all the nonsense they did absolutely nothing and we did enough to score 1 more than them which we did.

 

What you're saying is true, in all ways. But we didn't play well. We did enough. That's a different thing.

 

[an tha]

6 minutes ago, Bob said:

 

 

Good result, average to below par performance. That's my view and I'm sticking with it.

The only thing i'd say with this is it is the former that really matters.

 

We can't and won't play well all the time and when we don't if we can win then just take it happily and move on.

 

I feel there is too much introspection at times about performances - it is still early in season, adaptations are taking place still - there are tougher tests ahead of course but 3 pts today is really all that matters.

[3 Stacks]

1 minute ago, an tha said:

The only thing i'd say with this is it is the former that really matters.

 

We can't and won't play well all the time and when we don't if we can win then just take it happily and move on.

 

I feel there is too much introspection at times about performances.

It's a continuation of the fact that we give teams very little. We also could have scored two more goals, on top of the two we did score. Those are things that make a good performance, also with the context of the away game, after a game midweek.

[Bob]

8 minutes ago, an tha said:

The only thing i'd say with this is it is the former that really matters.

 

We can't and won't play well all the time and when we don't if we can win then just take it happily and move on.

 

I feel there is too much introspection at times about performances - it is still early in season, adaptations are taking place still - there are tougher tests ahead of course but 3 pts today is really all that matters.

Yeah, or.course it is. The result is great. 

 

I'm not too sure of the point of a footy forum if it's not for introspection though.

[an tha]

1 minute ago, Bob said:

Yeah, or.course it is. The result is great. 

 

I'm not too sure of the point of a footy forum if it's not for introspection though.

I just feel too much 'oh we didn't play well' talk when we've won away, gone top and been mostly untroubled in doing so is maybe just a bit off.

 

Wolves will give plenty of sides and good ones at that more trouble than they gave us today....now some of that will be down to them not being good today but a lot of it is also down to us not really allowing them to be.

 

I feel we are (so far anyway) better this season at not getting involved in helter skelter battles.

 

I feel today was better than many are giving us credit for. But that better was not in an eye catching, exciting and swashbuckling manner - more of a getting a job done and playing within ourselves manner - it may just help us in the longer term....the engine not running in the red zone revs wise for 90 mins every game...less wear and tear and less likely to blow.

[Red Shift]

6 hours ago, Megadrive Man said:

Brain dead by Konate.

For me, he was shielding the ball waiting for Kelleher to come and get it. Kelleher would have done that too…..if he was playing.

 

Clear case of Ibou being adjusted to another keeper after Alison’s injury.

[VladimirIlyich]

Keep up the 'shit' performances Reds. 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

This forum. 

The reality.

[Bobby Hundreds]

6 hours ago, Bob said:

Yeah, or.course it is. The result is great. 

 

I'm not too sure of the point of a footy forum if it's not for introspection though.

Shhhh you enter a match thread and all that should be mentioned is the score. 0-0

 

0-1

 

1-1

 

1-2

 

Liverpool win.

 

To be fair for years people have been complaining about match threads. My opinion is don't go in them if that's the case. It's the place to live vent. If I'm with my missus she doesn't want to hear it few do. When Salah scrapes a slow ball straight to the opposition keeper I want to call him a useless cunt even when he's about as far away from that statement you could possibly be. It's live venting. Cathartic. 

 

Have you seen rawks match threads they stopped them and just have match commentary because they don't like opinions, emotions, knee jerk reactions and all the shit that any kind of passion can evoke. 

[Chip Butty]

Allison- untroubled 

Trent and Robbo - steady

Virg - ok

konate - hero and villain performance 

Ryan - excellent again 

Mac - slow to get into the game but when he did, he influenced the play

Slob - not sure what’s more frustrating, his performances or that Slot keeps picking him

Diaz - Good first half, faded in the second

Jota - worked hard for little reward 

Mo - ineffective beyond the penalty.. Chiesa needs to be starting to give Mo a bit of a reality check 

 

Subs

Curtis - got up to speed quickly and played well - should start ahead of Slob

Gakpo - Played well and added more thrust from the left - bit of a conundrum for Slot, with both him a Diaz putting in shifts in the left and both worthy of starting.

Gomez, a fleeting appearance 

[KMD7]

40 minutes ago, Chip Butty said:

Mo - ineffective beyond the penalty.. Chiesa needs to be starting to give Mo a bit of a reality check 

 

 

[Smell The Glove]

11 hours ago, Scott_M said:

He’s not playing well though.

 

I don’t deny there is plenty of endeavour and he does the press etc well, he’s just not doing it on the ball. I’m not convinced he’s actually doing what Slot is asking of him either. 
 

Elliott would have the same endeavour. I think he’d have more quality on the ball. He just doesn’t have Szoboszlai’s physical attributes, as Neville said last season, Elliott is a bit of a Bernardo Silva player. 
 

I think Jones there makes sense. He’s came into the side as a left winger / 10-ish. I don’t think he has the pace like Mane or Diaz to play there for the first team. Hendo / Thiago / Gini / Fabinho were all more deeper players than Jones, he was being force to play a more restrained game. Maybe this is the position for him? He puts a shift in and rarely wastes a pass, even if it’s overly safe (which might be because of the deeper role). I hope playing him further forwards allows him to be a bit more of the maverick he was when he broke into the side. 

He wouldn't be in the side if he wasn't doing what Slot wants. From what we've seen so far Slot likes to defend with 4 at the top. It seems obvious that Dom is there for his running to go from there back into midfield. We've conceded 2 goals all season and one of those was our own making. Dom cant be in the side playing that high on running alone though, he needs to start adding goals and assists. I don't see Elliott being able to play this role but Jones definitely could. 

[Scott_M]

44 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

He wouldn't be in the side if he wasn't doing what Slot wants. From what we've seen so far Slot likes to defend with 4 at the top. It seems obvious that Dom is there for his running to go from there back into midfield. We've conceded 2 goals all season and one of those was our own making. Dom cant be in the side playing that high on running alone though, he needs to start adding goals and assists. I don't see Elliott being able to play this role but Jones definitely could. 

Szoboszlai might be doing the defensive side of the game well, he’s certainly covering a lot of distance, I’m not impressed with his contribution with the ball this season, he’s just too casual on it. 
 

Definitely think Jones is worth a go in the #10 position.

 

Appreciate Elliott isn’t really built for covering long distances, he doesn’t have the physical attributes of Jones & Szoboszlai, I’ve no issues with his quality on the ball. I would never say Elliott doesn’t work hard. 
 

If we continue playing with a #10, I can see why we’re being linked with Wirtz and Musiala. 

[Barrington Womble]

I said before the game it would be tough, they always seem to give us a tough game, which is a grind even on a more comfortable win than yesterday. I thought we'd need to play well to win - that clearly wasn't true. But we weren't in too much trouble and it would probably all feel better had Dom and Salah not both failed with big chances, you'd expect at least one of those to be a goal. 

 

As slot has mentioned, the fixture list has been kind so far. I'm looking forward to seeing how we deal with better teams. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Red Shift said:

For me, he was shielding the ball waiting for Kelleher to come and get it. Kelleher would have done that too…..if he was playing.

 

Clear case of Ibou being adjusted to another keeper after Alison’s injury.

I thought he was shielding the ball to let it run out, as it would have if he hadn't made such a half-arsed effort at it.

[The wanderer]

18 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I said before the game it would be tough, they always seem to give us a tough game, which is a grind even on a more comfortable win than yesterday. I thought we'd need to play well to win - that clearly wasn't true. But we weren't in too much trouble and it would probably all feel better had Dom and Salah not both failed with big chances, you'd expect at least one of those to be a goal. 

 

As slot has mentioned, the fixture list has been kind so far. I'm looking forward to seeing how we deal with better teams. 

We had games like this under Sir Bob , stop start , sloppy at times and missing out on opportunities. Aside from their gifted goal there was just the awesome block by Konate which amounted as far as I can remember their sum total. So we take the win and move on.

[Smell The Glove]

14 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I thought he was shielding the ball to let it run out, as it would have if he hadn't made such a half-arsed effort at it.

Alisson started to come and then decided not to and I think that made up Konate's mind to shield it. I thought Alisson could easily have got there but he went back and Konate couldn't get out of that mindset. No harm done in the end thankfully.

[Barrington Womble]

49 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

Alisson started to come and then decided not to and I think that made up Konate's mind to shield it. I thought Alisson could easily have got there but he went back and Konate couldn't get out of that mindset. No harm done in the end thankfully.

It was just a fuck up from konate. Doesn't matter if he was shielding it to go out or shielding it for Ali. He didn't shield it and was just out muscled as he seemed to have his balance wrong if he's trying to stop Larsen getting to the ball. As you say, no harm done and the speed of the equaliser eased any pressure the goal might create and completely burst their bubble. 

[3 Stacks]

Those sorts of incidents, the keeper is pretty much always the one who has to deal with it. For starters, they are the ones actually facing the action, and two, the whole point of having a keeper with Alisson's skill set is that he will take charge of those situations, instead of your defenders having to hoof it. Konaté obviously thinks Alisson would come get the ball, because that's his style and that's how the team normally operates.

 

We also see 3-4 of these kinds of miscommunications with Alisson every season, with different defenders.