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Nott'm Forest (H) - Sat 14th Sep 2024 (3:00pm)


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44 minutes ago, an tha said:

Who do you reckon should have started instead of Mac and Szobo?

 

Alisson
Trent Quansah Virgil Robbo
Endo Grav
Szobo
Salah Nunez Gakpo

 

Was the team I posted after finding out Harvey fucked his foot otherwise ideally he would've got a look in too. Either way it was clear changes were needed, Mac has been fucked for ages, either that or naturally he has really low energy levels. Jota doesn't add much of anything when he's not sticking the ball in the back of the net.

 

Hopefully this'll be a lesson learned from the upcoming breaks.

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but none of the South American players who played internationals should have started. They should play against Milan.  Give other players a go, maybe the fact Slot didn't shows how poorly he views the options such as Nunez, Gakpo & any other midfielder.   The core of the squad is old, the rest are weaker than we think, supporters clinging onto hope players that have already shown to be not good enough may all of a sudden improve.

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17 minutes ago, Binomial said:

 

Alisson
Trent Quansah Virgil Robbo
Endo Grav
Szobo
Salah Nunez Gakpo

 

Was the team I posted after finding out Harvey fucked his foot otherwise ideally he would've got a look in too. Either way it was clear changes were needed, Mac has been fucked for ages, either that or naturally he has really low energy levels. Jota doesn't add much of anything when he's not sticking the ball in the back of the net.

 

Hopefully this'll be a lesson learned from the upcoming breaks.

It makes some sense in terms of changes based on the rotation options we have - but i've got to say as a team i don't like it at all. I can 100% see why Slot didn't pick it.

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22 minutes ago, Binomial said:

 

Alisson
Trent Quansah Virgil Robbo
Endo Grav
Szobo
Salah Nunez Gakpo

 

Was the team I posted after finding out Harvey fucked his foot otherwise ideally he would've got a look in too. Either way it was clear changes were needed, Mac has been fucked for ages, either that or naturally he has really low energy levels. Jota doesn't add much of anything when he's not sticking the ball in the back of the net.

 

Hopefully this'll be a lesson learned from the upcoming breaks.

Management must be a really easy thing when the supposedly obvious thing you have to do is just pick the players who have played the least during international breaks. 

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15 minutes ago, an tha said:

but i've got to say as a team i don't like it at all. I can 100% see why Slot didn't pick it.

 

Well, glad the alternative worked out well.

 

Let's carry on watching the likes of Diaz, Mac, Szobo and Salah taking 4 years on the ball before deciding what pass they're gonna fuck up next and Jota dozing about looking like a headless chicken, what can I say!

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47 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

This was the point I was making. Klopp struggled also with low block teams but we would have 30+ shots against them, especially if we went behind. I don't think Slot wants to see Nunez shooting from everywhere so he needs to find a way to move teams about better than today.

 

That wasn't all Nunez did in those gsmes though was it. But I'm pretty sure slot doesn't want to go the high chance creation route either for whatever reason. Up to now this season, we've shown we can be an effective team when we turn over possession (which we could do before this season ). I don't really know how else we score a goal, because we don't have players who are capable of moving teams around as you suggest with a system that plays as narrowly as this, with these players. I don't want to take credit away from forest today, they did exactly what they needed to do. But there are more organised and resolute sides out there than forest and we had no answers. 

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1 minute ago, Binomial said:

Well, glad the alternative worked out well.

Well yeah it obviously didn't - but that is the call he made.

 

The thing i thought was a touch odd was Chiesa not being involved at all.

 

Did we really need two centre halves, a RB and a LB on bench especially when in Gomez we have someone who can cover all 3 positions.

 

I just thought i'd rather have Chiesa on bench to maybe come on and do something if needed than all those defenders - unless of course Chiesa is miles off it fitness wise or Slot just feels he hasn't had enough time with his team mates in training - but for me even then i'd have had him on bench for one of Tsimikas, Bradley, Quansah or Gomez, you just don't need all 4 IMO at home against Forest.

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We need to start reverting back to even the Brodge days of going for the kill early, getting a goal or 2 in the first 10-15mins then Klopp's game management after we've got a healthy lead during our CL/PL winning seasons.

 

Games like today and even Ipswich, being at 0-0 after 60mins just feels shit. Then more pressure builds, you start forcing the play more, crowd start to get on the player's backs, opposition gets further encouragement....etc etc.

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4 minutes ago, Binomial said:

We need to start reverting back to even the Brodge days of going for the kill early, getting a goal or 2 in the first 10-15mins then Klopp's game management during our CL/PL winning seasons.

 

Games like today and even Ipswich, being at 0-0 after 60mins just feels shit. Then more pressure builds, you start forcing the play more, opposition gets further encouragement. 

I'm sure if we were good enough, we'd have loved to have been in front early on. We didn't fail to get in front because we like 0-0 at 60. It was 0-0 at 60 because forest came to kill the game and we lacked the imagination to beat that. The manager is on a learning curve, I'm sure he'll learn very quickly,.nearly every team in this league is well organised.  Not everyone is going to gift you goals like the mancs did. 

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I don’t even know where to start with this game.

 

The first half was reminiscent of the Brentford game, really boring basically, so I expected us to step it up in the second half after getting rid of some international break lethargy.

 

We were starting to turn the screw a bit and then Slot decided to start making subs and it all went South.

 

Trent should have gone off, he looked leggy and played poorly but I think the manager bottled it after all of the noise recently. Mo couldn’t be hooked because we’d inexplicably decided not to involve his back up player.

 

Dom put in a passable impression of Bruno Cheyrou but somehow stayed on.
 

By the end we had Gravenberch playing at centre half and Trent looking like an amateur player in midfield.

 

The whole day was beyond worrying for me.

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The irritating thing for me is that if this game was last weekend i reckon we'd have picked the same team and won.

 

These poxy fucking breaks are a killer - they are though sadly part of it all now and we have to deal with them as shite as they are and as much of a negative effect they have.

 

It's fucking ridiculous that players are taking part in games in south america on weds (2nd game in a few days too) before fixtures here on a sat - but of course it is here to stay and we have to deal with it.

 

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54 minutes ago, George Costanza said:

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but none of the South American players who played internationals should have started. They should play against Milan.  Give other players a go, maybe the fact Slot didn't shows how poorly he views the options such as Nunez, Gakpo & any other midfielder.   The core of the squad is old, the rest are weaker than we think, supporters clinging onto hope players that have already shown to be not good enough may all of a sudden improve.

How long Is the flight?like 12 hrs?

And they get back on the Thursday?

No wonder they looked fucked 

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15 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

How long Is the flight?like 12 hrs?

And they get back on the Thursday?

No wonder they looked fucked 

Diaz seemed fine but Macca should not have started and think it was probably pre planned that they came off at 60. I personally would have binned that with it goalless and kept Diaz on and took Macca off and put Gakpo (our only option with no Chiesa or Elliott) at 10. We had a real lack of midfield options today and were just swapping forward players around with absolutely no change, infact worse results.

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2 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Macca and Diaz created damn near our only chances of the game. What is this they shouldn't have started nonsense.

I've no idea who was in the best shape fitness wise out of Jones and Macca but as Macca had been struggling with muscle issues and flew back from Colombia I'd have preferred that we had a decent option to rest him.

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2 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

I've no idea who was in the best shape fitness wise out of Jones and Macca but as Macca had been struggling with muscle issues and flew back from Colombia I'd have preferred that we had a decent option to rest him.

Macca could have flown back from New Zealand yesterday and I'd start him over Jones.

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4 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

That's fine, still doesn't take away the fact that it would have been nice to have someone in so Macca didn't have to play.

Macca could have returned from outer space this morning and I'd have him play over the bums we have on our bench.

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8 hours ago, Engineman Hicks said:

And there it is. Every defeat, even a draw and somebody makes this accusation. Genuinely if you think the game is corrupt why do you bother watching? I’ve been watching us for 50 years now and sometimes we lose. Thats life, it’s not the fucking Harlem globe trotters. 

 

I don't think this game had anything to do with the ref.

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6 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Macca and Diaz created damn near our only chances of the game. What is this they shouldn't have started nonsense.

Mac, Diaz and Jota are three of our biggest players these days and three of the most likely to step up. Taking them all off at 0-0 with 30 minutes to go to bring on Gakpo and Nunez while leaving on Szoboszlai in the midfield was asking for trouble. 

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7 hours ago, an tha said:

The irritating thing for me is that if this game was last weekend i reckon we'd have picked the same team and won.

 

These poxy fucking breaks are a killer - they are though sadly part of it all now and we have to deal with them as shite as they are and as much of a negative effect they have.

 

It's fucking ridiculous that players are taking part in games in south america on weds (2nd game in a few days too) before fixtures here on a sat - but of course it is here to stay and we have to deal with it.

 

I don’t think the game yesterday wall on the international break. Slot looked muddled as fuck, lets be honest about that.

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8 hours ago, an tha said:

The irritating thing for me is that if this game was last weekend i reckon we'd have picked the same team and won.

 

These poxy fucking breaks are a killer - they are though sadly part of it all now and we have to deal with them as shite as they are and as much of a negative effect they have.

 

It's fucking ridiculous that players are taking part in games in south america on weds (2nd game in a few days too) before fixtures here on a sat - but of course it is here to stay and we have to deal with it.

 

 

We know all this when we buy the players though and build the squad. It's the same with the kick in the balls afcon gives you. We need to have enough quality within the squad to be able to deal with this. We have a minimum of 4 of these international breaks per season. You have to find a way to win when you return. We often get fucked with 12.30 kick offs away from home after them. This time we got a gift with a team you expect to be in the bottom 8, certainly the bottom half, at home at 3pm. Sure we probably would have beat them last week, but any side who wants to win the league needs to have the quality in the squad to deal with it and we have to beat sides like this. 

 

White I think we have players like jones and Nunez (who I'd thought for 2 weeks would be working on doing something to connect for this game), could and should have started, they didn't exactly spark any form of reaction when they came on. 

 

Our biggest issue for me yesterday was not the international travel, but rather we appeared very complacent and thought we need to just turn up and it was a win. Even in the last quarter of the game, there was no urgency from anyone other than Nunez, who was like a frantic 10 year old kid charging everywhere, even running past the ball at times. We thought they're a poor team, we'll find a way. But there should be a wake up call, there's rarely any pushovers in this league. You have to earn all your wins. We absolutely did not yesterday. 

 

7 hours ago, Arniepie said:

How long Is the flight?like 12 hrs?

And they get back on the Thursday?

No wonder they looked fucked 

 

I think normally they get back on the Friday, I don't know about this time, but it was something Klopp would often talk about. 

 

4 hours ago, Strontium said:

If Slot doesn't trust the squad players enough to rotate a single one of them in when several first teamers are leggy from the international break, then one wonders why he didn't purchase some players he could trust.

I find it pretty hard to believe he doesn't trust his boys. They're impossible to upgrade on. The only player in the entirety of world football who could make a difference to this team doesn't want to leave his home town. 

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