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Nott'm Forest (H) - Sat 14th Sep 2024 (3:00pm)


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1 minute ago, Carra_is_legend said:

It will take time but I agree with your previous post, it will be an up and down season.

 

Yup, agree with both your posts. I've very much accepted that this season is unlikely to be anything special, losing to Forest at home like this is awful in isolation but also a very Liverpool thing to do after such a strong start with expectations high. Hopefully Slot will take note from this and adjust more accordingly in future.

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3 minutes ago, Carra_is_legend said:

It will take time but I agree with your previous post, it will be an up and down season.

This seems to be the narrative. It’ll be up and down if they throw in performances like this. Today was awful as we all know. Not sure a lot of us accept that it’ll be an up and down season. 
Thst was on the players today but Slot will learn very quickly that you can’t challenge the top positions losing at home to anyone, least of all Forest level sides. 

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2 minutes ago, Carra_is_legend said:

 

He has been shite for quite sometime now. Apart from his first few games he has been shite. I really don't think he is a good player.

He seems to be hesitating a bit in general, not quite sharp enough to react at times either. Probably a confidence issue, it's definitely mental. All footballers can properly control a ball but even the simple things go to shit if their head isn't right.

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1 minute ago, an tha said:

Might be just a feeling but it does seem like when we batter the mancs that we turn in a shite performance next up....7-0 followed by a loss at Bournemouth....5-0 followed by a 2-2 draw at home to Brighton...Today.

 

 


It’s undoubtedly been a trend for us.

 

Probably as much down to the international break this time but you’d wonder if the players get carried away with all the adulation and bullshit, cringey ‘hang it in the Louvre/inject it into my veins’ social media hyperbole after we beat Man United.

 

Ourselves and Man United both have three points for the last two games. Wonderful stuff.

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We can always find excuses, but that was poor against an organised but much weaker opponent we obviously should be beating comfortably at home. Possibly a case of us smelling ourselves a little too much after a great start to the season; games like this need perseverance and tactical variations to break down defensive teams. It's a shame, and frustrating, but it's only the fourth game and I am sure Slot won't be letting that happen again!

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1 minute ago, RedPaul said:

We can always find excuses, but that was poor against an organised but much weaker opponent we obviously should be beating comfortably at home. Possibly a case of us smelling ourselves a little too much after a great start to the season; games like this need perseverance and tactical variations to break down defensive teams. It's a shame, and frustrating, but it's only the fourth game and I am sure Slot won't be letting that happen again!


One upside is that the defeat came after the international break, so at least Slot can get straight into rectifying what went wrong. 
 

Straight back into it Tuesday night. You’d hope we’d make a few changes to the lineup.

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7 minutes ago, TheSire said:

100% down to the break. The players haven't been training with the squad so they'll not have the things they've been learning fresh in mind. Over the months this will happen less as they fully learn new habits and patterns etc. Not too worried, says nothing about the players ability etc, we'll get the odd game like this where they revert to type a bit but it takes some time to take everything on board.

The break is a factor and a big one although i'd say it is just as much if not more the minutes players had in the international shite than the lack of training and working on the new ideas - that against much fresher opponents even when they are worse is a leveller. You do see more of these shock results after breaks because the 'big teams' players are being run into the ground and the lesser teams players are often more rested and of course have had that time together on the training pitch to work on stuff and get ready.

 

We still should be winning today though and finding something. Looks like abu dhabi were not at their best today either - but they got it done. They are of course in a different place to us but still losing at home to these today is deeply disappointing.

 

Luckily we have games coming quickly to hopefully get this taste out of our mouths.

 

 

 

 

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The way we started the season (the utd game) had everyone pumped up we have been very good up until today, today was poor and I think it's a slap to the face back down to earth whatever you call it. The reality is we still have a few weaknesses and they will need addressing (lack of a out and out 6) and probably cover for Salah (which we have in Chiesa I hope) They sat in and made it difficult we struggled against that set up under Klopp also. We won't win the league this year we all knew that deep down but we will be top 3 comfortabley and If FSG dig deep (I know they wont) and we get a few more players in  maybe a title challenge next season.

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Slower build up play allows teams to get set easier against us.

We still have the same players, that over the last 3 years especially, have been far too early broken on and lot of our wins came from the fact our games were basketball and we were usually better.

We're nowhere near good enough to break teams down regularly like city do.

Teams will begin to realise that and will be rubbing their hands together, knowing how easy we will be to defend against as we are learning this new way of attacking.

Cunts all, everywhere.

Roll on Milan eh!

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6 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

I’ve been keeping my distance.

 

im in Majorca and decided to go and watch us and we are no different from last year. Still too slow, still can’t break a low block. Still have nothing off the bench. Forest were terrible but we were slow and casual.

 

first time I e seen us lose in 30 years of being away. You can read books on stats until your blue in the face but the fact remains nothing was done in the summer to move the needle so the same issues will continue to persist.

If anything we were trying to do everything too fast, or trying things when a ball wasn't on. Countless times there would be nothing on and instead of keeping the ball we'd just hit a pointless pass on autopilot. A few times it would be the right ball but the other player would be caught flat footed (Dom twice when Salah played a ball inside). The goal was frustrating as you could see it coming, left side packed with players so we try to run through that area and obviously lose it.

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1 minute ago, niallers said:

Slower build up play allows teams to get set easier against us.

We still have the same players, that over the last 3 years especially, have been far too early broken on and lot of our wins came from the fact our games were basketball and we were usually better.

We're nowhere near good enough to break teams down regularly like city do.

Teams will begin to realise that and will be rubbing their hands together, knowing how easy we will be to defend against as we are learning this new way of attacking.

Cunts all, everywhere.

Roll on Milan eh!

It worked fine in the first 3 games. We actually DIDNT do this today and lost. 

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1 minute ago, bizzle10 said:

And at least Slot can lay in to Gakpo in dutch for being piss weak for that goal


Thought Nunez, Bradley and Konate were poor on it too. Awful segment of play for us.

 

I like Bradley but his man bullied past him three times in his short time on the pitch today. 

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2 minutes ago, TheSire said:

If anything we were trying to do everything too fast, or trying things when a ball wasn't on. Countless times there would be nothing on and instead of keeping the ball we'd just hit a pointless pass on autopilot. A few times it would be the right ball but the other player would be caught flat footed (Dom twice when Salah played a ball inside). The goal was frustrating as you could see it coming, left side packed with players so we try to run through that area and obviously lose it.

Might have been the bar stream then because it looked really slow on screen.

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4 minutes ago, El Rojo said:


One upside is that the defeat came after the international break, so at least Slot can get straight into rectifying what went wrong. 
 

Straight back into it Tuesday night. You’d hope we’d make a few changes to the lineup.

 

yeah, already looking forward to Tuesday, a nice little trip to Italy!

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I think we will see a few games like that at anfield. The way we set up under slot is to keep things tight and have faith in the process whereas under Klopp we seemed to be willing to risk conceding goals in the belief we will get more.

Can see a lot of teams defending like forest did and hoping to get something out of nothing.

If only we could find a happy medium between the 2 approaches....has anyone have had dual managers that might work?

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4 minutes ago, an tha said:

The break is a factor and a big one although i'd say it is just as much if not more the minutes players had in the international shite than the lack of training and working on the new ideas - that against much fresher opponents even when they are worse is a leveller. You do see more of these shock results after breaks because the 'big teams' players are being run into the ground and the lesser teams players are often more rested and of course have had that time together on the training pitch to work on stuff and get ready.

 

We still should be winning today though and finding something. Looks like abu dhabi were not at their best today either - but they got it done. They are of course in a different place to us but still losing at home to these today is deeply disappointing.

 

Luckily we have games coming quickly to hopefully get this taste out of our mouths.

 

 

 

 

I mean if Diaz' one creeps in and the keeper doesn't get lucky from the header we've got it won by half time. I was surprised we didn't adapt in the second half and got worse in terms of rushing everything. I'm actually pretty relaxed after that, don't necessarily think there's anything to read into too much. I think legs being tired could be a factor but in all honesty, we didn't lose because we couldn't run etc. If we pick the right passes in the first half we have the game wrapped up and can just control the game in the second half.

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2 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Might have been the bar stream then because it looked really slow on screen.

Shitty stream maybe. Sometimes the shite free Internet streams make everything look like we're crawling around.

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2 minutes ago, TheSire said:

It worked fine in the first 3 games. We actually DIDNT do this today and lost. 

Well, we only opened united up second half after they pushed up and left space.

All 3 goals that day are from them losing it and we pounced.

We scored from a break away corner v Brentford and the second was them losing it by passing it out and we again, pounced.

Apart from the second goal against Ipswich, we've not really created anything by quick 1 2s around opponents boxe, which seems to be the style of play slot wants in attack.

Small sample size,i know, but let's hope it doesn't become a trend.

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The subs completely murdered us.  That and taking Mac Allister off to play John Wayne in midfield.  It was a throwback to last season.  We constantly try to force it through the packed middle or rely on one player out wide.  Diaz and Salah couldn’t beat their full backs but instead putting more players outwide to help we just recycled it inside and then hit a hopeful ball.  It’s a punch on the nose for Slot and hopefully he sees the problem Klopp couldn’t.

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16 minutes ago, TheSire said:

And did we play this way in the previous 3 games on the bounce?

 

At times yes in those games, particularly the first two, we were poor.

When a team lacks quality and a squad lacks depth it's an almost certainty that it will produce inconsistent performances and results.

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