Fight! Oasis v Stone Roses v Charlatans

[Scott_M]

8 minutes ago, Total Longo said:

 

It's Spike Island. Stone Island are a particularly woeful fashion brand.

Yes, you’re right. School boy error. 

[Scott_M]

14 minutes ago, Pidge said:

 

Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, The Who and The Kinks all much bigger in terms of cultural importance. I'd say Joy Division/New Order are a fair way ahead of both as well, as far as Manc bands go. 

I don't necessarily disagree, I’ve clarified my comment. 

[Total Longo]

On 07/09/2024 at 14:31, johnsusername said:

Stone Roses one album wonders.

 

 

Arguably, so are Oasis.

[Bjornebye]

17 minutes ago, Pidge said:

 

Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, The Who and The Kinks all much bigger in terms of cultural importance. I'd say Joy Division/New Order are a fair way ahead of both as well, as far as Manc bands go. 

Maybe than the Stone Roses but Oasis as a cultural phenomenon are right up there wether you like them or not. Apart from maybe The Pistols none of them were bigger bands than Oasis in terms of impact. 

[Mook]

There's different ways to look at importance, Oasis were absolutely massive here for a few years & will have inspired thousands of people to start bands etc. but did they move music forward at all or break any new ground? Absolutely not.

 

So they were massively important in some ways but not at all in others.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

Hmm, definitely an argument to at least say Cheshire…

 

Anyway, my point stands. Huge British cultural musical events…

 

Beetlemania.

Rolling Stones at Hyde Park. 

Led Zepplin at Knebworth.

Queen at Wembley. 
Stone Roses at Stone Island.

Oasis at Knebworth

Etc etc

 

The closest The Charlatans come to this list was being one of the opening acts for Oasis at Knebworth. 

The Beatles! Spelt them wrong twice. Negged.

[Pidge]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

I don't necessarily disagree, I’ve clarified my comment. 

I agree regarding charlatans though, I know some people swear they're the greatest band of the era but I've never been able to see it. OP may as well have said The Bluetones...

[Bjornebye]

The Charlatans are a brilliant band. So good live and all. Nowhere near a conversation with the other two though. The Verve would have been far more apt. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Oasis ended without much trace? Nonsense mage 

If you start listing the artists influenced by The Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin, it would take forever and you'd be listing current artists.

 

Oasis?  I dunno; maybe they influenced Shed Seven.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Total Longo said:

 Stone Island are a particularly woeful fashion brand.

Tiny Tommy Two-names would neg this.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Maybe than the Stone Roses but Oasis as a cultural phenomenon are right up there wether you like them or not. Apart from maybe The Pistols none of them were bigger bands than Oasis in terms of impact. 

I misread that as "brands" and it made perfect sense.

[Bjornebye]

16 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If you start listing the artists influenced by The Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin, it would take forever and you'd be listing current artists.

 

Oasis?  I dunno; maybe they influenced Shed Seven.

 

11 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I misread that as "brands" and it made perfect sense.

 

You’re chatting Wham! 

[Total Longo]

36 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

You’re chatting Wham! 

Now there's a band that had an influence! 

[TheHowieLama]

Chemical Brothers had more impact musically and socially.

They could also beat the tar out of any of these three in a punchup.

[Bjornebye]

27 minutes ago, Total Longo said:

Now there's a band that had an influence! 

On AoT they defo did!   

[Juniper]

These type of threads remind me of the below

 

For me, it’s the following 

 

1. Oasis - Bigger Impact

2. Stone Roses - Great debut album, second was disappointing 

3. The Charlatans - Patchy output after the mid 90’s

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

On AoT they defo did!   

The influence that Oasis have had on anything since the mid-nineties is...

 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The influence that Oasis have had on anything since the mid-nineties is...

 

The Libertines, The Strokes, The Killers, Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys the list goes on. They’ve just sold out a tour in hours and had to sell more dates. Liam Gallagher played in-front of 80’000 people 3 nights on the bounce at Knebworth a couple of years ago and probably half the people there were still under 16 when Oasis split up. Many even younger. 
 

To suggest Oasis haven’t had any influence beyond the 90s is borderline troll behaviour or your head really is that firmly in the sand. 

[Total Longo]

The Killers and Kasabian are absolute muck. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

38 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

The Libertines, The Strokes, The Killers, Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys the list goes on. They’ve just sold out a tour in hours and had to sell more dates. Liam Gallagher played in-front of 80’000 people 3 nights on the bounce at Knebworth a couple of years ago and probably half the people there were still under 16 when Oasis split up. Many even younger. 
 

To suggest Oasis haven’t had any influence beyond the 90s is borderline troll behaviour or your head really is that firmly in the sand. 

Popularity is not the same as influence. Selling loads of tickets isn't enough, on its own, to make a band "important".

 

Arctic Monkeys and The Strokes were clearly influenced by bands from a generation before Oasis. The Killers had a Britpop-flavoured debut album, but have lasted longer than Oasis, because they had more than one string to their bow. The same is probably true of Kasabian, but I honestly can't say I've listened to them that much.  I never really got into The Libertines, but I'd be surprised if they had a moment of inspiration when they first heard that you can rhyme "hall" and "cannonball".

 

You love Oasis, I get it. But there's nothing wrong with loving them for what they are; there's no need to pretend they're something else.

[Mook]

23 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Popularity is not the same as influence. Selling loads of tickets isn't enough, on its own, to make a band "important".

 

Arctic Monkeys and The Strokes were clearly influenced by bands from a generation before Oasis. The Killers had a Britpop-flavoured debut album, but have lasted longer than Oasis, because they had more than one string to their bow. The same is probably true of Kasabian, but I honestly can't say I've listened to them that much.  I never really got into The Libertines, but I'd be surprised if they had a moment of inspiration when they first heard that you can rhyme "hall" and "cannonball".

 

You love Oasis, I get it. But there's nothing wrong with loving them for what they are; there's no need to pretend they're something else.

 

I'm with Stig here, Oasis had thousands of kids up & down the country starting bands, they were very influential in that regard & pretty important culturally for a good two years or so.

[Total Longo]

38 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Popularity is not the same as influence. Selling loads of tickets isn't enough, on its own, to make a band "important".

 

Arctic Monkeys and The Strokes were clearly influenced by bands from a generation before Oasis. The Killers had a Britpop-flavoured debut album, but have lasted longer than Oasis, because they had more than one string to their bow. The same is probably true of Kasabian, but I honestly can't say I've listened to them that much.  I never really got into The Libertines, but I'd be surprised if they had a moment of inspiration when they first heard that you can rhyme "hall" and "cannonball".

 

You love Oasis, I get it. But there's nothing wrong with loving them for what they are; there's no need to pretend they're something else.

 

Spoiler alert...they didn't. They did have a singer who clearly modelled himself on LG to a laughable extent, except it's hard to pull off that authentic Manc swagger when you are from Leicester.    

[AngryOfTuebrook]

38 minutes ago, Mook said:

 pretty important culturally for a good two years or so.

 

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The influence that Oasis have had on anything since the mid-nineties is...

 

 

[Tony Moanero]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I never really got into The Libertines, but I'd be surprised if they had a moment of inspiration when they first heard that you can rhyme "hall" and "cannonball".

 

[TheHowieLama]

I hate them now more than I ever did so they are doing something right.