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Cobblers as in the kind of cobblers that forms part of the reportable business accounts? The statutory requirement informing the revenue service kind of cobblers? The kind of cobblers that informs shareholders of the state of the business, thus forming a key part of FSGs ability to attract investment and grow?

 

Yeah, it's probably bollocks. I'd go with the jarg, cobbled together, unsourced website. Maybe someone can fact check against the football manager database.

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1 hour ago, Red Banjo said:

So we spend 140m more on wages - despite them having 18 players on a weekly wage in excess of £100k, and us only having 11?

 

We must pay bonuses if the players breathe properly if that's the case.

 

Which it's clearly not. Obviously they must follow Man City's model of declaring wages.

 

What a fucking world.

 

38 minutes ago, sir roger said:

 

So do I, but the 373m figure is obviously cobblers when compared to the Arsenal declaration , which I suspect is why FSG never explain what they lump into that category.

 

It's something I've questioned a number of times, as sir roger alludes to, its impossible to get a breakdown of what is included as 'wages' the incentives could be based on league position, or qualifying for European competitions?   

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3 hours ago, Pidge said:

Cobblers as in the kind of cobblers that forms part of the reportable business accounts? The statutory requirement informing the revenue service kind of cobblers? The kind of cobblers that informs shareholders of the state of the business, thus forming a key part of FSGs ability to attract investment and grow?

 

Yeah, it's probably bollocks. I'd go with the jarg, cobbled together, unsourced website. Maybe someone can fact check against the football manager database.

 

I fail to fathom how Arsenal's overall figure goes from £172m to £235m with add ons (136 % ) while ours practically triples from £128m to £373m. Unless our guys are tripling their pay with Milk Cup winning bonuses or the cleaners are on more than Jurgen was. The figure is probably well understood by the main guys at FSG but in my opinion deliberately obscured from outsiders. There is a reason why FSG never give a proper breakdown of this figure , and it is not presumably required to be expanded on by accounting rules.

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Maybe FSG have their entire families on the payroll doing various made-up jobs for like £500k a year each. But you’d think there would be easier ways to take money out of the club. If they were employees they’d need to be on PAYE for a start and we know how fond billionaires are of paying tax.

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1 hour ago, joe_fishfish said:

Maybe FSG have their entire families on the payroll doing various made-up jobs for like £500k a year each. But you’d think there would be easier ways to take money out of the club. If they were employees they’d need to be on PAYE for a start and we know how fond billionaires are of paying tax.

 

Well, even if it's half for me and half for the taxman that's better than nothing (especially if I get to decide the gross amount in the first place).

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Our payroll just seems weird compared to other clubs, when you look at our squad. Either we are fucking beyond shit at doing deals or other clubs not including City are lying about their wages. United pay utter dross near 200 grand a week. We run players contract into nothing because we don't want to give them payrises before it's absolutely necessary. It's conspiracy territory but I think it's pure hedgefund shit, FSG are entirely about the money not the prestige and we are competing against clubs where it's about the prestige not the money. If FSG buy a teaspoon for the players cafeteria that shits added to the books with extra. Didn't we complain that energy bills have gone up once so we didn't have to spend. FSG want to the club to seem more  skint because they are hedgefund fucks, doesn't make them the worst fucks in the league but they are fucks and I pray for a day all these football owners get rocketed to the fucking moon at a billion miles a second.

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7 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Our payroll just seems weird compared to other clubs, when you look at our squad. Either we are fucking beyond shit at doing deals or other clubs not including City are lying about their wages. United pay utter dross near 200 grand a week. We run players contract into nothing because we don't want to give them payrises before it's absolutely necessary. It's conspiracy territory but I think it's pure hedgefund shit, FSG are entirely about the money not the prestige and we are competing against clubs where it's about the prestige not the money. If FSG buy a teaspoon for the players cafeteria that shits added to the books with extra. Didn't we complain that energy bills have gone up once so we didn't have to spend. FSG want to the club to seem more  skint because they are hedgefund fucks, doesn't make them the worst fucks in the league but they are fucks and I pray for a day all these football owners get rocketed to the fucking moon at a billion miles a second.

They are 'Fuckers' not 'Fucks.'

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7 hours ago, Pidge said:

Cobblers as in the kind of cobblers that forms part of the reportable business accounts? The statutory requirement informing the revenue service kind of cobblers? The kind of cobblers that informs shareholders of the state of the business, thus forming a key part of FSGs ability to attract investment and grow?

 

Yeah, it's probably bollocks. I'd go with the jarg, cobbled together, unsourced website. Maybe someone can fact check against the football manager database.

By cobblers, I'm sure they're referring to are we and arsenal accounting for salaries in the same way. A season or two I put some effort in to work it out and the best I could come up with (which by the way someone since told me is correct) how they arrive at the figure (which back then was a little over 300m). I believe when we say "salaries" in our accounts, we include the following (which my understanding is what is used for uefa psr calculation). 

Salaries

Bonuses (I don't think that was listed outside of players pool)

Income tax (fucking massive)

Pensions (which are remarkably small)

Agents fees 

Amortisation 

 

But this isn't clear in our accounts. Neither is it clear in other clubs accounts. And accounts are just one accountants version of events. They need to be accurate enough to get auditors to sign off, but a quick Google of the failures of the big 4 in auditing accounts, you can quickly see why that has little to no validity. Accountancy is no more black and white than the man city v PL verdict this week. 

 

My own company went through our first audit last year, it was the first time we'd had to do one. I was surprised how straight forward it was and how little clarification I needed to give. I thought they'd pick over all transactions, but they really don't. In fact they picked up on stupid shit, that was really easily clarified. 

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Trent needs to up his performances regularly if he does want a Madrid move. No doubt he’d thrive over there without much defending to do and pacey forwards to pick out. I reckon he’s gone. The travesty is it will be for fuck all. I don’t begrudge the lad the move one bit. 
 

 

Mo is putting up his usual numbers with little sign of fading so that should be getting sorted. Van Dijk is still arguably the best CB on the planet and club captain. That should have been sorted before the Euros. 

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3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Trent needs to up his performances regularly if he does want a Madrid move. No doubt he’d thrive over there without much defending to do and pacey forwards to pick out. I reckon he’s gone. The travesty is it will be for fuck all. I don’t begrudge the lad the move one bit. 
 

 

Mo is putting up his usual numbers with little sign of fading so that should be getting sorted. Van Dijk is still arguably the best CB on the planet and club captain. That should have been sorted before the Euros. 

Mo's numbers don't matter if he wants a four year deal. I can't see that happening especially with yet another AFCON on the horizon.

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3 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Mo's numbers don't matter if he wants a four year deal. I can't see that happening especially with yet another AFCON on the horizon.


Does he want 4 years????? Anyway he’s still probably one of the fittest players in the league. Give him the deal and tell him to go and make himself second to Kenny. 

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2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:


Does he want 4 years????? Anyway he’s still probably one of the fittest players in the league. Give him the deal and tell him to go and make himself second to Kenny. 

He might have been offered a perfectly acceptable one for all we know,but turned it down.

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8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Trent needs to up his performances regularly if he does want a Madrid move. No doubt he’d thrive over there without much defending to do and pacey forwards to pick out. I reckon he’s gone. The travesty is it will be for fuck all. I don’t begrudge the lad the move one bit. 
 

 

Mo is putting up his usual numbers with little sign of fading so that should be getting sorted. Van Dijk is still arguably the best CB on the planet and club captain. That should have been sorted before the Euros. 

 

I'm surprised you don't begrudge him. Do you think that would be the same view as most other people from Liverpool?

 

I'd be gutted to see him go and proper pissed off about it. He should stay and help this team stay at the top and keep us competitive. I don't think I'd support him if he didn't stay at Liverpool, he's done for me.

 

But I'd be interested to know what others who live in Liverpool think and how they'd view him afterwards 

 

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1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

He might have been offered a perfectly acceptable one for all we know,but turned it down.


Yeah maybe that’s the case. For all 3. 

 

1 minute ago, Mil-ing Around said:

 

I'm surprised you don't begrudge him. Do you think that would be the same view as most other people from Liverpool?

 

I'd be gutted to see him go and proper pissed off about it. He should stay and help this team stay at the top and keep us competitive. I don't think I'd support him if he didn't stay at Liverpool, he's done for me.

 

But I'd be interested to know what others who live in Liverpool think and how they'd view him afterwards 

 


I’m not really that fickle. If he fucked off to Chelsea or City I’d be properly pissed off but the lads got one career. Who are we to begrudge him a move to a beautiful city in a beautiful country playing for another one of the biggest clubs on the planet? Course I’d much rather he stayed but big players have left before and we’ve been fine.
 

Keegan, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Alonso, Suarez ….. I certainly won’t be cheering Real Madrid for him but I won’t be booing him if we play them at Anfield. He’s a fantastic player approaching what should be his peak years. The club made hardly any investment this summer post an international tournament as well. You can’t blame him for being tempted. Have you been to Madrid? Fantastic city. 

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I think 2 years for Virgil, taking him up to 36, and 2 for Mo taking him to 35 would be the sensible approach - but they might want longer and that's probably where the club disagree. Which I could imagine the "impasse" comes from.

 

And that's me being very generous to the club, as there's no indication they'd even spoken to them at all a month ago.

 

Trent should have been on a new 5 year deal 12 months ago, there's no way to view that shitshow as anything but pure negligence. You know full well his agent will be getting contact from clubs already with offers exceeding £300k, so if we aren't prepared to match it - the offer remains unsigned.

 

It's a mess entirely of the clubs making. The data twats will blame Jurgen, Jurgen will blame the data twats and the tight cunts with the chequebook get off scot free again.

 

Shambles.

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3 minutes ago, Red Banjo said:

I think 2 years for Virgil, taking him up to 36, and 2 for Mo taking him to 35 would be the sensible approach - but they might want longer and that's probably where the club disagree. Which I could imagine the "impasse" comes from.

 

And that's me being very generous to the club, as there's no indication they'd even spoken to them at all a month ago.

 

Trent should have been on a new 5 year deal 12 months ago, there's no way to view that shitshow as anything but pure negligence. You know full well his agent will be getting contact from clubs already with offers exceeding £300k, so if we aren't prepared to match it - the offer remains unsigned.

 

It's a mess entirely of the clubs making. The data twats will blame Jurgen, Jurgen will blame the data twats and the tight cunts with the chequebook get off scot free again.

 

Shambles.


And the fans will blame the players and Creator will blame Nunez 

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26 minutes ago, Red Banjo said:

I think 2 years for Virgil, taking him up to 36, and 2 for Mo taking him to 35 would be the sensible approach - but they might want longer and that's probably where the club disagree. Which I could imagine the "impasse" comes from.

 

And that's me being very generous to the club, as there's no indication they'd even spoken to them at all a month ago.

 

Trent should have been on a new 5 year deal 12 months ago, there's no way to view that shitshow as anything but pure negligence. You know full well his agent will be getting contact from clubs already with offers exceeding £300k, so if we aren't prepared to match it - the offer remains unsigned.

 

It's a mess entirely of the clubs making. The data twats will blame Jurgen, Jurgen will blame the data twats and the tight cunts with the chequebook get off scot free again.

 

Shambles.

 

Virg and Salah must know they're not getting long contracts. But I can understand why they don't want 12 months too. In fact I would say the shape both of them are in, 12 months would be a bit of an insult. But the fact 3 of our 4 best players are here and certainly all 3 have indicated they want to stay, suggests the issue isn't on the player side and unreasonable demands to me. But I keep saying it, while they haven't signed for someone else, I keep hoping they just announce they're all staying. 

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28 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:


Yeah maybe that’s the case. For all 3. 

 


I’m not really that fickle. If he fucked off to Chelsea or City I’d be properly pissed off but the lads got one career. Who are we to begrudge him a move to a beautiful city in a beautiful country playing for another one of the biggest clubs on the planet? Course I’d much rather he stayed but big players have left before and we’ve been fine.
 

Keegan, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Alonso, Suarez ….. I certainly won’t be cheering Real Madrid for him but I won’t be booing him if we play them at Anfield. He’s a fantastic player approaching what should be his peak years. The club made hardly any investment this summer post an international tournament as well. You can’t blame him for being tempted. Have you been to Madrid? Fantastic city. 

 

I get the one career thing but on the flip side he's seen how long it took for the club to get back to the top. All the struggles, he felt them like a fan (as a kid) and from inside the club as a player.

 

He must have seen all the big players leave, we don't buy world class players, and we usually get one every 15 years (home grown)

 

By him leaving he must realise it fucks us. People will say we'll be fine but I'm not so sure, it's a pivotal transfer in my opinion. We get no money, and we can't replace him. With mo, Virg getting old and Alisson breaking down a lot. We don't have any world class players left....he's the only one

 

It's hard to attract top class players too, they look around like "who's in the squad, who am I going to play with"

 

Trent staying helps us hugely and makes rebuilding easier. I come from the opinion that he owes the club, he's been there since he was 6. They've nurtured him, grown his talent and it's the reason he earns the money he does. Others will say he owes us nothing, but I don't understand that.

 

But yeah I have been to Madrid, it's nice, reminded me of London. He can live anywhere in the world in 8 or 9 years time though. He ain't gonna miss out in life. Don't think I'd boo him either but I'd certainly tell him to fuck off and call him a cunt

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Trent staying probably revolves around van Dijk going. Possibly Salah as well.

 

From the perspective of his career (only his career, none of the sentimental Liverpool lad stuff), if the alternative is a club like Madrid where he can win things multiple times over, he will think he should only stay at Liverpool if we give him everything. Probably highest salary (or really close to that) and club captain. The fact he has run down his deal at the age he is at, says everything. It's the mega leverage play. He obviously could have renewed years ago if it was just about loving Liverpool. There'd be no reason not to.

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5 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Virg and Salah must know they're not getting long contracts. But I can understand why they don't want 12 months too. In fact I would say the shape both of them are in, 12 months would be a bit of an insult. But the fact 3 of our 4 best players are here and certainly all 3 have indicated they want to stay, suggests the issue isn't on the player side and unreasonable demands to me. But I keep saying it, while they haven't signed for someone else, I keep hoping they just announce they're all staying. 

 

Yeah I guess we hold that candle.

 

The problem with leaving it so late is that the offers will already have been sent from oligarch clubs to the agents, and players are greedy bastards - so they'll already be picking what colour Bugatti to get.

 

Again, that's on the club. Should never have got to this stage.

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Trent as said in the past that he wants the captaincy so maybe this contract is tied to Virgil. It may be that Arne might not fancy Trent as captain. No one knows. 
It’ll be what it’ll be but for me, if Trent goes for free he’s no different to Owen and Mcmanaman. If it was a choice between Trent and Virgil renewing, I’m on the Virgil train. 
He’s the one that is holding this side together. 

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