January 2025 Transfer Thread

[Lee909]

48 minutes ago, Barnesey said:

That didn’t go through because you can’t sign for 2 PL Clubs in the same window. 

 

Reports said the plan was we did a Keita type deal to sign him next summer, but Valencia would loan him out to Bournemouth who would pay a fee for him. Neither Valencia or he wanted that

[3 Stacks]

Our summer fucking sucked, but I don't see how the Mamardashvili deal can in any way be criticized.

[Remmie]

The concerns about what that means for both of our existing keepers are legitimate 

[AngryofTuebrook]

8 hours ago, lifetime fan said:

We’ve already seen with these owners they’ll bring in a worse keeper just to save on wages. 

Mignolet for Reina?

[3 Stacks]

37 minutes ago, Remmie said:

The concerns about what that means for both of our existing keepers are legitimate 

You can buy players for need, and you can buy players regardless of need, because you think they're great. If we think Big Mama is great, and he didn't cost loads of money, I couldn't care less what it means about Alisson or Kelleher, potentially years down the line.

[Scott_M]

50 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Mignolet for Reina?

It isn’t a like for like comparison though. 
 

Reina wasn’t playing at his highest level despite earning his highest wage. 
 

Currently, Alisson is playing at his highest level and earning a high wage. 
 

The only similarity is they play in goal. Regardless of his position, Reina was an under performing player and we were right to move him on. The bigger issue was his replacement wasn’t good enough either and was unsuited to what we wanted. 

[lifetime fan]

7 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

It isn’t a like for like comparison though. 
 

Reina wasn’t playing at his highest level despite earning his highest wage. 
 

Currently, Alisson is playing at his highest level and earning a high wage. 
 

The only similarity is they play in goal. Regardless of his position, Reina was an under performing player and we were right to move him on. The bigger issue was his replacement wasn’t good enough either and was unsuited to what we wanted. 

It’s a completely fair comparison. 
 

You move on a keeper for an inferior one on less wages. 

[Pidge]

Reina was done as far as we were concerned, he needed a change as much as we did. Mignolet was a reasonable gamble on a replacement (even if you'd think the distribution issue should have been noticed beforehand, even back then).

 

The idea that move was a cost-cutting measure doesn't hold water imo. He wasn't good enough in the long run, but he wasn't a bad keeper, so much as a bit of a shithouse with terrible distribution.

[Scott_M]

5 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

It’s a completely fair comparison. 
 

You move on a keeper for an inferior one on less wages. 

It’s not for the reason I just stated on current player performances. 
 

If Reina was performing well and earning his wages (ie the form under Benitez when he signed the contract), I doubt we’d have moved him on as quickly. 

Mignolet probably was on lower wages than Reina, although we let Reina go on a free and we spent £8m on Mignloet, so it’s I don’t think it was a huge cost cutting measure. Reina was simply underperforming, massively. 
 

IMO, we generally keep our best performing players. We certainly haven’t hurriedly shoved any high performing players to the exit door like we did Reina. 

[Megadrive Man]

8 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

It’s a completely fair comparison. 
 

You move on a keeper for an inferior one on less wages. 

 

Didn't we end up paying half of Reinas wages anyway when he was on loan?

 

The decision to move Reina on was the right, the mistake was that Mignolet wasn't good enough for a top level club.

[Megadrive Man]

6 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Reina was done as far as we were concerned, he needed a change as much as we did. Mignolet was a reasonable gamble on a replacement (even if you'd think the distribution issue should have been noticed beforehand, even back then).

 

The idea that move was a cost-cutting measure doesn't hold water imo. He wasn't good enough in the long run, but he wasn't a bad keeper, so much as a bit of a shithouse with terrible distribution.

 

He looked good at Sunderland. I remember watching him against Spurs where it looked like a training match of Bale vs Mignolet. He made loads of really good saves, although Bale did score eventually.

[lifetime fan]

15 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Reina was done as far as we were concerned, he needed a change as much as we did. Mignolet was a reasonable gamble on a replacement (even if you'd think the distribution issue should have been noticed beforehand, even back then).

 

The idea that move was a cost-cutting measure doesn't hold water imo. He wasn't good enough in the long run, but he wasn't a bad keeper, so much as a bit of a shithouse with terrible distribution.

Except Achterberg has publicly said that’s exactly what it was. 

[Pidge]

What did he say?

[El Dangerous]

15 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

 

He looked good at Sunderland. I remember watching him against Spurs where it looked like a training match of Bale vs Mignolet. He made loads of really good saves, although Bale did score eventually.

As is always the way when a half decent goalie plays for a shit relegation bound club. They have plenty of opportunities to impress on Match of the Day whilst never facing too much scrutiny because they have championship standard defenders in front of them. He also had terrible distribution which was the most jarring difference between him and Pepe.

[Scott_M]

6 minutes ago, Pidge said:

What did he say?

 

 

I’m still with you though, his wages were only expensive because he was playing shite. 

[Remmie]

1 hour ago, 3 Stacks said:

You can buy players for need, and you can buy players regardless of need, because you think they're great. If we think Big Mama is great, and he didn't cost loads of money, I couldn't care less what it means about Alisson or Kelleher, potentially years down the line.

I'm happy for you that you aren't worried, but if it's all the same some of the rest of us will be concerned this means forcing a sensational world class keeper out probably due to his wages.

[Smell The Glove]

9 minutes ago, Remmie said:

I'm happy for you that you aren't worried, but if it's all the same some of the rest of us will be concerned this means forcing a sensational world class keeper out probably due to his wages.

Or you could go off what the actual people involved have said. One said (the better one) he's happy to stay, the other said (the lesser one) he's happy to leave.

[lifetime fan]

31 minutes ago, Pidge said:

What did he say?

Reina had to go to get rid of his wages, they could only sign a keeper with PL experience and Mig was the best of the shit available. 
 

 

[Remmie]

Just now, Smell The Glove said:

Or you could go off what the actual people involved have said. One said (the better one) he's happy to stay, the other said (the lesser one) he's happy to leave.

Yeah he does seem happy to stay, so that's encouraging. Not set in stone though. It's just strange to have 3 top keepers when we need players in more pressing positions.

[Smell The Glove]

1 minute ago, Remmie said:

Yeah he does seem happy to stay, so that's encouraging. Not set in stone though. It's just strange to have 3 top keepers when we need players in more pressing positions.

Mamardashvili is younger than Kelleher. Kelleher has to move on if Alisson isn't for the sake of his own career 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

1 hour ago, El Dangerous said:

As is always the way when a half decent goalie plays for a shit relegation bound club. They have plenty of opportunities to impress on Match of the Day whilst never facing too much scrutiny because they have championship standard defenders in front of them. He also had terrible distribution which was the most jarring difference between him and Pepe.

Very much like defenders as well, see Harry Maguire or any other lump who stands around in their penalty area all game making blocks in a cup game against a big team. 

MOTD pundits say it's "sensational defending" whereas actually it's just basic physics, a big lump got in the way of the ball in a confined area for an hour and a half. 

[3 Stacks]

55 minutes ago, Remmie said:

I'm happy for you that you aren't worried, but if it's all the same some of the rest of us will be concerned this means forcing a sensational world class keeper out probably due to his wages.

We fail at replacing players even when they've already been gone for 3-4 transfer windows. 

 

If anything, people should be glad we are being proactive.

[Jairzinho]

6 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

We fail at replacing players even when they've already been gone for 3-4 transfer windows. 

 

If anything, people should be glad we are being proactive.

 

Nah. He's our best player and he's 31, he'll be world class at 35. Basically we're preparing to have a worse goalkeeper.

[Smell The Glove]

20 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Nah. He's our best player and he's 31, he'll be world class at 35. Basically we're preparing to have a worse goalkeeper.

Why? He's actually said he's happy. Kelleher has actually said he's unhappy. Amazingly we sign a keeper younger and maybe better than Kelleher who in let's say, I don't know, 2 or 3 years takes over from a 33, 34 yr old Alisson

[lifetime fan]

40 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

Why? He's actually said he's happy. Kelleher has actually said he's unhappy. Amazingly we sign a keeper younger and maybe better than Kelleher who in let's say, I don't know, 2 or 3 years takes over from a 33, 34 yr old Alisson

If you reckon our tight cunt owners have decided to spend now and leave him out on loan for 3 years you’re deluded.