The Current Far Right in the UK

[Arniepie]

18 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I'm not comfortable with some of it, would probably be the same with a lot if I'd read through all of what's been handed out.

 

There's one guy that got sent down for 8 weeks for posting two words and two emojis on Facebook. I'm sure he's a racist cunt but what the judge said seems to sum most of it up : "It may be right that the starting point is a community order for this offence but I am afraid this has to be viewed within the context of the current civil unrest up and down the country."

 

Maryport man jailed for Facebook post on police bid to stop disorder

 

I'd prefer it if they focused mostly on those deliberately trying to stir shit up with large followings online, the hotel pogrom scum, those either being violent or threatening violence towards minorities/asylum seekers and those that were trashing hotels with asylum seekers in with stones/bricks, etc, during protests. Also the "are yer white" traffic stopping scum too and probably several other cases.

 

People stealing some pasties from Greggs, etc, though, if they weren't involved in other stuff I think they should have normal punishment. Mainly to focus on the root of the problems we saw, the violent racist cunts, and not do some wide ranging thing for those that weren't proven to have been involved in that. I can't remember much about the 2011 riots but I never agreed with some of the reaction to that and I feel the same with some of this.

 

 

Again, he didnt just post a an unpleasant message on Facebook.

At a time when Muslims where being violently attacked in the street..he indicated he thinks brown people should be shot

[Arniepie]

22 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

 

I agree with the fact that he was a wholly ineffectual leader in both how he dealt with the constant accusations against him and his opposition to Johnson and Brexit (in the book, I feel O'Brien is most pissed off about this). He does skim over some of the more ludicrous accusations that got levelled towards Corbyn, but as he also says in his book, the right wing press were always going to do that.

dont want to drag it onto another corbyn thread,on the whole I agree with this,and his eviscerations of Johnson were always enjoyable

[Red Phoenix]

7 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

they didnt "steal" pasties..they used a  violent protest to break into a shop and loot it.

 

I'm not as bothered about that as I am the racism and violence. If harsh sentences are being given out because of the context of what was going on at the time I think they should add in the context of what state the country has been in for a lot longer. Where poorer people have been deprived for most or all of their lives and the rich have hoarded most of the money to themselves, aided by our governments. More of that also brings back memories of people getting sent down for stealing bottles of water, etc, in 2011 too.

 

This for me is where the actual two tier justice system is, where rich people can get off with fines for all types of corruption that can lead to having long term effects for the country but poor people go to prison for stealing a couple of items and/or trashing a shop.

 

If the country wasn't in such a state to start with maybe those people would likely have better lives and not feel the need to trash and loot shops, but that context doesn't seem to be added.

 

3 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Again, he didnt just post a an unpleasant message on Facebook.

At a time when Muslims where being violently attacked in the street..he indicated he thinks brown people should be shot

 

Yeah I get that this is bad and that he's likely a racist shithouse. What bothers me is that the judge even admitted the punishment wouldn't normally have been as harsh and the main thing triggering it seems to have been two emojis. I've never heard of anything like that before.

[Section_31]

Social media abuse in general has gone too far, a crackdown has been a long time coming. I know loads of people who've left public service roles as councillors etc, people doing good work, because of the abuse they got, most of it bonkers shit about being corrupt, enemies of the people, in developers' pockets, part of covid conspiracies etc.

 

I'm not saying such people should be criminalised but it's been far to easy for people to say things for a long time that they wouldn't say in person. A drip drip effect.

 

Footy players, singers etc getting grief, some of it truly horrendous. 

 

It's like broken windows theory, when you let the small things go the bigger problems can develop.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I'm not comfortable with some of it, would probably be the same with a lot if I'd read through all of what's been handed out.

 

There's one guy that got sent down for 8 weeks for posting two words and two emojis on Facebook. I'm sure he's a racist cunt but what the judge said seems to sum most of it up : "It may be right that the starting point is a community order for this offence but I am afraid this has to be viewed within the context of the current civil unrest up and down the country."

 

Maryport man jailed for Facebook post on police bid to stop disorder

 

I'd prefer it if they focused mostly on those deliberately trying to stir shit up with large followings online, the hotel pogrom scum, those either being violent or threatening violence towards minorities/asylum seekers and those that were trashing hotels with asylum seekers in with stones/bricks, etc, during protests. Also the "are yer white" traffic stopping scum too and probably several other cases.

 

People stealing some pasties from Greggs, etc, though, if they weren't involved in other stuff I think they should have normal punishment. Mainly to focus on the root of the problems we saw, the violent racist cunts, and not do some wide ranging thing for those that weren't proven to have been involved in that. I can't remember much about the 2011 riots but I never agreed with some of the reaction to that and I feel the same with some of this.

 

 

"Two words and two emojis".

 

Get to fuck trying to play this down: it's incitement to racist violence.  Fuck around, find out.

 

[Arniepie]

17 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I'm not as bothered about that as I am the racism and violence. If harsh sentences are being given out because of the context of what was going on at the time I think they should add in the context of what state the country has been in for a lot longer. Where poorer people have been deprived for most or all of their lives and the rich have hoarded most of the money to themselves, aided by our governments. More of that also brings back memories of people getting sent down for stealing bottles of water, etc, in 2011 too.

 

This for me is where the actual two tier justice system is, where rich people can get off with fines for all types of corruption that can lead to having long term effects for the country but poor people go to prison for stealing a couple of items and/or trashing a shop.

 

If the country wasn't in such a state to start with maybe those people would likely have better lives and not feel the need to trash and loot shops, but that context doesn't seem to be added.

 

 

Yeah I get that this is bad and that he's likely a racist shithouse. What bothers me is that the judge even admitted the punishment wouldn't normally have been as harsh and the main thing triggering it seems to have been two emojis. I've never heard of anything like that before.

they didnt loot because of austerity.

they looted shops because they wanted to protect "r kids"

That argument doesn’t wash at all. Poor people have been getting fucked over for the past 14 years, yet these thick fucking cunts decided to riot because they thought an immigrant had killed 3 kids.  

You seem to be missing the point that these werent rage against the machine “protests.

They were literally targeting 1 group of people.

I saw someone on twitter say today they rioted because they were fed up with violence on the streets. You cant measure that level of stupidity

I haven’t a shred of sympathy.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

47 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

 23-year-old man who threw objects at police during rioting at a hotel housing asylum seekers near Rotherham has been jailed for two years and four months.

Elliott Wragg, of Assembly Way, Barnsley, admitted to violent disorder and was sentenced at Sheffield Crown Court.

Wragg was one of a large "mob" of around 70 to 100 people who were throwing objects at a group of 10 police officers outside the Holiday Inn Express on 4 August, the Recorder of Sheffield, Judge Jeremy Richardson KC, said.

Dale Harris, defending, said his client said he had "no racist views" and his actions were "wholly out of character".

 

just beacuse I attacked a hotel with asylum seekers in,doesnt mean I am a racist

Honestly, you can't even assault asylum seekers without some libtard calling you "racist" these days.  It's woke gone mad!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

27 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I'm not as bothered about that as I am the racism and violence. If harsh sentences are being given out because of the context of what was going on at the time I think they should add in the context of what state the country has been in for a lot longer. Where poorer people have been deprived for most or all of their lives and the rich have hoarded most of the money to themselves, aided by our governments. More of that also brings back memories of people getting sent down for stealing bottles of water, etc, in 2011 too.

 

This for me is where the actual two tier justice system is, where rich people can get off with fines for all types of corruption that can lead to having long term effects for the country but poor people go to prison for stealing a couple of items and/or trashing a shop.

 

If the country wasn't in such a state to start with maybe those people would likely have better lives and not feel the need to trash and loot shops, but that context doesn't seem to be added.

 

 

Yeah I get that this is bad and that he's likely a racist shithouse. What bothers me is that the judge even admitted the punishment wouldn't normally have been as harsh and the main thing triggering it seems to have been two emojis. I've never heard of anything like that before.

A lot of the shops that were smashed up were targeted specifically because they were (thought to be) owned by British Asians.  This was not in any way like 2011.

 

When the racist shits who did this are in prison, the air outside will smell sweeter.

[Arniepie]

12 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Social media abuse in general has gone too far, a crackdown has been a long time coming. I know loads of people who've left public service roles as councillors etc, people doing good work, because of the abuse they got, most of it bonkers shit about being corrupt, enemies of the people, in developers' pockets, part of covid conspiracies etc.

 

I'm not saying such people should be criminalised but it's been far to easy for people to say things for a long time that they wouldn't say in person. A drip drip effect.

 

Footy players, singers etc getting grief, some of it truly horrendous. 

 

It's like broken windows theory, when you let the small things go the bigger problems can develop.

I cant grasp how people are not grasping the concept of failing to understand the context within which this all happened.

People say Horrific stuff on social media all the time.

But at a time when mosques and aysulm centres were literally being targetted by baying mobs,posting stuff like it "burn it down"is slightly more serious than a few "hurty words.     

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

A lot of the shops that were smashed up were targeted specifically because they were (thought to be) owned by British Asians.  This was not in any way like 2011.

 

When the racist shits who did this are in prison, the air outside will smell sweeter.

a whole strata of thick racist cunts have been removed from society for a few years.

 

to quote bill hicks,its not like we have lost a cure for cancer here.

 

quite frankly, I can see an upside. 

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

"Two words and two emojis".

 

Get to fuck trying to play this down: it's incitement to racist violence.  Fuck around, find out.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

they didnt loot because of austerity.

they looted shops because they wanted to protect "r kids"

That argument doesn’t wash at all. Poor people have been getting fucked over for the past 14 years, yet these thick fucking cunts decided to riot because they thought an immigrant had killed 3 kids.  

You seem to be missing the point that these werent rage against the machine “protests.

They were literally targeting 1 group of people.

I saw someone on twitter say today they rioted because they were fed up with violence on the streets. You cant measure that level of stupidity

I haven’t a shred of sympathy.

 

I'm not trying to play anything down, it's the fact that two emojis triggered a prison sentence off. I've never heard of it before and I have no idea of how many people saw his comment or how many he had following him, etc, or even where the comment was posted. I don't use Facebook either so I'm definitely not off to look further.

 

I can accept the reasoning for that a lot more than I can accept people going to prison for long periods for looting shop items though. I can move on from those emojis as they can easily be seen as racist when we had violent racism going on around the country in the streets, stealing items from shops though (unless they were targetted because of the colour of an owners skin) obviously isn't racist.

 

They clearly weren't stealing pasties or other items to save are kids, they were probably doing the classic mob mentality bullshit and just being stupid cunts. And for those types of offences I can't help but also see a class/genuine two tier justice issue. Corporate bosses, politicians, bankers, other rich twats do things far worse and will likely get away with fines, etc, that they can pay with no real consequence to themselves and definitely not something that would act as a deterrent.

 

Of course I'm probably outnumbered here and it's accepted mostly that the real context is racist cunts. I get that too and I'm still shocked at some of the vile shit we saw but stealing items from shops obviously isn't racist and I can't help being reminded of 2011.

[Red Phoenix]

37 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

A lot of the shops that were smashed up were targeted specifically because they were (thought to be) owned by British Asians.  This was not in any way like 2011.

 

When the racist shits who did this are in prison, the air outside will smell sweeter.

 

Yeah like I said in the previous post, if there's a clear racist link to smashing up some of the shops and/or looting them I'm not complaining about what happens there.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

38 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Yeah like I said in the previous post, if there's a clear racist link to smashing up some of the shops and/or looting them I'm not complaining about what happens there.

And in most cases, there is a clear racist motivation to the vandalism, theft and arson.  That twat Honey who nicked stuff from Gregg's and Lush did a lot of other stuff too.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

41 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

I'm not trying to play anything down, it's the fact that two emojis triggered a prison sentence off. I've never heard of it before and I have no idea of how many people saw his comment or how many he had following him, etc, or even where the comment was posted. I don't use Facebook either so I'm definitely not off to look further.

 

I can accept the reasoning for that a lot more than I can accept people going to prison for long periods for looting shop items though. I can move on from those emojis as they can easily be seen as racist when we had violent racism going on around the country in the streets, stealing items from shops though (unless they were targetted because of the colour of an owners skin) obviously isn't racist.

 

They clearly weren't stealing pasties or other items to save are kids, they were probably doing the classic mob mentality bullshit and just being stupid cunts. And for those types of offences I can't help but also see a class/genuine two tier justice issue. Corporate bosses, politicians, bankers, other rich twats do things far worse and will likely get away with fines, etc, that they can pay with no real consequence to themselves and definitely not something that would act as a deterrent.

 

Of course I'm probably outnumbered here and it's accepted mostly that the real context is racist cunts. I get that too and I'm still shocked at some of the vile shit we saw but stealing items from shops obviously isn't racist and I can't help being reminded of 2011.

Incitement to racist violence is incitement to racist violence, whether it's done in person with a megaphone or online using emojis.

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Yeah like I said in the previous post, if there's a clear racist link to smashing up some of the shops and/or looting them I'm not complaining about what happens there.

The stall that was trashed in town was foreign 

At least 3 foreign shops were targeted on county Rd.

Alongside the library of course.

[Mudface]

12 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

The stall that was trashed in town was foreign 

At least 3 foreign shops were targeted on county Rd.

Alongside the library of course.

 

The one that was full of Qurans, of course.

[Red Phoenix]

45 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

And in most cases, there is a clear racist motivation to the vandalism, theft and arson.  That twat Honey who nicked stuff from Gregg's and Lush did a lot of other stuff too.

 

I've no real idea of how much was racist in intent and how much wasn't. What bugs me is that the bigger the number of people going down the more you're likely to have cases that weren't racially motivated being given overly harsh punishment. Those people definitely picked a fucking stupid time to do what they did though even if they're not that big in number, I accept that too.

 

43 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Incitement to racist violence is incitement to racist violence, whether it's done in person with a megaphone or online using emojis.

 

Maybe it was him inciting violence with two emojis, something still seems off though. I think it's partly the fact that people have avoided prison for doing a lot worse if hardly anyone has seen his post and because of that it also gives the idiots ammo for their own version of a two tier justice system that we keep seeing people going on about. If he had a lot of people seeing it though that also weakens his case and that's something I don't have any info about.

 

I'm probably best leaving it though, I also remember having arguments on here about the guy pissing on the Keith Palmer memorial years back because I wasn't sure if he even knew what he was actually doing. Maybe that's a reminder that I should leave this one too.

[TheHowieLama]

Folks who just participated in casual rioting, not racist rioting, are as big an issue. And bigger cunts as they have no skin in the game...

 

Opportunist rioters fuck off.

[Arniepie]

57 minutes ago, Mudface said:

 

The one that was full of Qurans, of course.

Yep..obviously 

[Bjornebye]

56 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I've no real idea of how much was racist in intent and how much wasn't. What bugs me is that the bigger the number of people going down the more you're likely to have cases that weren't racially motivated being given overly harsh punishment. Those people definitely picked a fucking stupid time to do what they did though even if they're not that big in number, I accept that too.

 

 

Maybe it was him inciting violence with two emojis, something still seems off though. I think it's partly the fact that people have avoided prison for doing a lot worse if hardly anyone has seen his post and because of that it also gives the idiots ammo for their own version of a two tier justice system that we keep seeing people going on about. If he had a lot of people seeing it though that also weakens his case and that's something I don't have any info about.

 

I'm probably best leaving it though, I also remember having arguments on here about the guy pissing on the Keith Palmer memorial years back because I wasn't sure if he even knew what he was actually doing. Maybe that's a reminder that I should leave this one too.

Who would argue about pissing on Keith Palmers memorial being a bad thing? 

[Mudface]

Hahaha- https://x.com/DrRebeccaTidy/status/1823618910102388771

 

[Arniepie]

8 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Hahaha- https://x.com/DrRebeccaTidy/status/1823618910102388771

 

Epic judge that 

[Arniepie]

I just saw some bellend on twitter describe the court cases as 'show trials

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Cunts are (apparently) going to try for the Pier Head again on Saturday: a "Stop the Boats" demo at a ferry terminal.  Anti-Fascists are getting there for 12:00.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Cunts are (apparently) going to try for the Pier Head again on Saturday: a "Stop the Boats" demo at a ferry terminal.  Anti-Fascists are getting there for 12:00.

Oh great. I’ve got friends up from Southsea and was gonna watch the match in Jurgens then take them the Albert Dock. Fuck sake, they’ll just have to stand with me on the good side