The Current Far Right in the UK

[Captain Turdseye]

Probably deserves its own thread, seeing as we may be looking at another weekend of knobheads out “protesting” and it’s taken over the Southport thread. Dominated it from early on even. 

 

Starmer’s statement yesterday about setting up a police unit to follow the ringleaders around and put travel bans on them, make use of facial recognition, etc, similar to how footy hooligans are policed was a good start in my opinion. It shouldn’t be too difficult to quash these silly cunts with modern policing. 

[VladimirIlyich]

If only we had a couple of threads for this.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

If only we had a couple of threads for this.

This is the Brexit response to the "Far Right in Europe" thread.

[Bruce Spanner]

Go after the brogues and braces, not the boots and braces and you'll get there.

[Section_31]

I think there's two problems which need addressing and it's become much worse since Covid.

 

(1) online lies and disinformation. I've tried to report stuff on Facebook and Twitter and it's pointless. They don't care and at best they just shrug their shoulders. That simply can't go on as it's doing immense damage to the fabric of society.

 

I know at least two friends now, longstanding smart lads, who I would genuinely say have been radicalised by twitter, tiktok and YouTube. They have cookie cutter views on everything from Ukraine being nazis to covid scepticism to BLM being Marxists. Me and my other mates used to laugh it off but it's disturbing to watch it happen, invasion of the bodysnatchers style.

 

(2) We've become too tolerant of idiots and weirdos. We laugh off stuff like 15 minute cities idiocy and covid denial. But the more rope you give them the more they'll take. 

 

When I was a kid queueing for my BCG if one of the kids had said "my mum said I can't have if because Bill Gates has inserted a tracking chip into it, my mum has told me to cite the Magna Carta and section 10 of the nuremberg tablets. They'd get carted away by social services, and rightly fucking so.

 

I've said all along I think the concept of the "oddball" and "weirdo" making us uncomfortable and wanting to shower them with scorn and/or bully them is an evolutionary defence to the dangers they pose.

 

In ancient times the village idiot might have said "let's sow our fields with salt it'll make crops grow better, a frog told me". You'd tell him to get back to his hut on the outskirts of the village and shut the fuck up. Maybe even throw some fruit at him to help curb his behaviour.

 

Now the idiot would go on social media and find another million idiots and start a group called "salt the fields". Which is an existential threat. Kind of like a Borg group mind for simpletons.

 

The extreme version is what we're seeing with the "right". These are not genuine right wing people, they're not into race theory and all that shite, they're yobs and scum, the kind of people who'd be smashing up bus stops or battering footy fans who'd lost their way in a strange town, only if the victim  is outnumbered of course.

 

They're being manipulated by devious forces, grifters and populism at home and foreign malevolent powers abroad.

 

Smash them from the ground up, big sentences, investigations of funders, arrests for agitators be they MPs, "celebs' or no, and a crackdown on online and fringe media. Fuck em, if it's a war they want give them one.

[redinblack]

3 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I think there's two problems which need addressing and it's become much worse since Covid.

 

(1) online lies and disinformation. I've tried to report stuff on Facebook and Twitter and it's pointless. They don't care and at best they just shrug their shoulders. That simply can't go on as it's doing immense damage to the fabric of society.

 

I know at least two friends now, longstanding smart lads, who I would genuinely say have been radicalised by twitter, tiktok and YouTube. They have cookie cutter views on everything from Ukraine being nazis to covid scepticism to BLM being Marxists. Me and my other mates used to laugh it off but it's disturbing to watch it happen, invasion of the bodysnatchers style.

 

(2) We've become too tolerant of idiots and weirdos. We laugh off stuff like 15 minute cities idiocy and covid denial. But the more rope you give them the more they'll take. 

 

When I was a kid queueing for my BCG if one of the kids had said "my mum said I can't have if because Bill Gates has inserted a tracking chip into it, my mum has told me to site the Magna Carta and section 10 of the nuremberg tablets. They'd get carted away by social services, and rightly fucking so.

 

I've said all along I think the concept of the "oddball" and "weirdo" making us uncomfortable and wanting to shower them with scorn and/or bully them is an evolutionary defence to the dangers they pose.

 

In ancient times the village idiot might have said "let's sow our fields with salt it'll make crops grow better, a frog told me". You'd tell him to get back to his hut on the outskirts of the village and shut the fuck up. Maybe even throw some fruit at him to help curb his behaviour.

 

Now the idiot would go on social media and find another million idiots and start a group called "salt the fields". Which is an existential threat. Kind of like a Borg group mind for simpletons.

 

The extreme version is what we're seeing with the "right". These are not genuine right wing people, they're not into race theory and all that shite, they're yobs and scum, the kind of people who be smashing up bus stops or battering footy fans who'd lost their way in a strange town, only if the victim  is outnumbered of course.

 

They're being manipulated by devious forces, grifters and populism at home and foreign malevolent powers abroad.

 

Smash them from the ground up, big sentences, investigations of funders, arrests for agitators be they MPs, "celebs' or no, and a crackdown on online and fringe media. Fuck em, if it's a war they want give them one.

This is on the money.

[Vincent Vega]

Gaby Hinsliff’s opinion piece on this subject in The Guardian is worth a read today.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/02/southport-riots-parliament-keir-starmer-justice-violence

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Excellent article about Musk's culpability.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/media/67463/elon-musks-misinformation-machine-made-the-horrors-of-southport-much-worse

[Kevin D]

I do think the EDL have let themselves down this week.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

A major problem is the post 2016 years have seen what should be responsible politicians and media using the inflammatory rhetoric of the far right, making it seem acceptable.

 

Add in useful idiots from both ends of the political spectrum eagerly spreading disinformation and you've got a powder keg. 

[Harry's Lad]

48 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I think there's two problems which need addressing and it's become much worse since Covid.

 

(1) online lies and disinformation. I've tried to report stuff on Facebook and Twitter and it's pointless. They don't care and at best they just shrug their shoulders. That simply can't go on as it's doing immense damage to the fabric of society.

 

I know at least two friends now, longstanding smart lads, who I would genuinely say have been radicalised by twitter, tiktok and YouTube. They have cookie cutter views on everything from Ukraine being nazis to covid scepticism to BLM being Marxists. Me and my other mates used to laugh it off but it's disturbing to watch it happen, invasion of the bodysnatchers style.

 

(2) We've become too tolerant of idiots and weirdos. We laugh off stuff like 15 minute cities idiocy and covid denial. But the more rope you give them the more they'll take. 

 

When I was a kid queueing for my BCG if one of the kids had said "my mum said I can't have if because Bill Gates has inserted a tracking chip into it, my mum has told me to cite the Magna Carta and section 10 of the nuremberg tablets. They'd get carted away by social services, and rightly fucking so.

 

I've said all along I think the concept of the "oddball" and "weirdo" making us uncomfortable and wanting to shower them with scorn and/or bully them is an evolutionary defence to the dangers they pose.

 

In ancient times the village idiot might have said "let's sow our fields with salt it'll make crops grow better, a frog told me". You'd tell him to get back to his hut on the outskirts of the village and shut the fuck up. Maybe even throw some fruit at him to help curb his behaviour.

 

Now the idiot would go on social media and find another million idiots and start a group called "salt the fields". Which is an existential threat. Kind of like a Borg group mind for simpletons.

 

The extreme version is what we're seeing with the "right". These are not genuine right wing people, they're not into race theory and all that shite, they're yobs and scum, the kind of people who'd be smashing up bus stops or battering footy fans who'd lost their way in a strange town, only if the victim  is outnumbered of course.

 

They're being manipulated by devious forces, grifters and populism at home and foreign malevolent powers abroad.

 

Smash them from the ground up, big sentences, investigations of funders, arrests for agitators be they MPs, "celebs' or no, and a crackdown on online and fringe media. Fuck em, if it's a war they want give them one.

Spot on. Excellent post.

[Arniepie]

its also worth pointing out that despite all the headlines,the numbers involved are tiny

 

a few hundred in southport,seemed even less in london

 

a handful of scruffs in places like hartlepool and manchester..

 

how many around the country agree with them,is much harder to judge.

[Rushies tash]

16 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

its also worth pointing out that despite all the headlines,the numbers involved are tiny

 

a few hundred in southport,seemed even less in london

 

a handful of scruffs in places like hartlepool and manchester..

 

how many around the country agree with them,is much harder to judge.

 

Unfortunately, that tiny minority receive a disproportionate amount of media coverage. How many opportunities did Farridge get to go on tv to peddle his 'views' when he wasn't even an mp?

[Sut]

2 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

 

Unfortunately, that tiny minority receive a disproportionate amount of media coverage. How many opportunities did Farridge get to go on tv to peddle his 'views' when he wasn't even a mp?

This is where the likes of the BBC are culpable for the current shitshow. They consistently platformed lunatics like Johnson and Rees-Mogg, setting them up as bits of characters which then gave them electoral success. Similarly with that pound-shop Lord Haw-Haw being televised and offered interviews all the time. They should never have allowed that grifter anywhere near the airwaves and shut the frog-mouthed, woodbine-stinking, bombardier-drinking, dog-whistling, fool-gulling, race-bating spiv the fuck down.

[Bjornebye]

Same as Section and I suspect many of us, I’ve seen mates I’ve know all my life share stuff that they wouldn’t have a few years ago. It’s massively depressing and I can’t even be arsed challenging them because they will recite the same shite you see on twitter and comments sections. 
 

 

[TheSire]

1 hour ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Probably deserves its own thread, seeing as we may be looking at another weekend of knobheads out “protesting” and it’s taken over the Southport thread. Dominated it from early on even. 

 

Starmer’s statement yesterday about setting up a police unit to follow the ringleaders around and put travel bans on them, make use of facial recognition, etc, similar to how footy hooligans are policed was a good start in my opinion. It shouldn’t be too difficult to quash these silly cunts with modern policing. 

I think this is really important. Appeasement doesn't work with nutters like this as it just empowers them. 

[bossy]

No more Mr. Nice Guy. 

[Red Phoenix]

To add to the violence and racism we've seen recently by these idiots they've also managed to completely trash any chances of those Tory anti-protest laws being repealed in any way in the near future by the looks of it. Maybe we'll get even more laws passed making things worse if they carry on.

 

Hopefully the "rally" they're planning in Liverpool later goes to complete shit for them too.

[TheSire]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

I think there's two problems which need addressing and it's become much worse since Covid.

 

(1) online lies and disinformation. I've tried to report stuff on Facebook and Twitter and it's pointless. They don't care and at best they just shrug their shoulders. That simply can't go on as it's doing immense damage to the fabric of society.

 

I know at least two friends now, longstanding smart lads, who I would genuinely say have been radicalised by twitter, tiktok and YouTube. They have cookie cutter views on everything from Ukraine being nazis to covid scepticism to BLM being Marxists. Me and my other mates used to laugh it off but it's disturbing to watch it happen, invasion of the bodysnatchers style.

 

(2) We've become too tolerant of idiots and weirdos. We laugh off stuff like 15 minute cities idiocy and covid denial. But the more rope you give them the more they'll take. 

 

When I was a kid queueing for my BCG if one of the kids had said "my mum said I can't have if because Bill Gates has inserted a tracking chip into it, my mum has told me to cite the Magna Carta and section 10 of the nuremberg tablets. They'd get carted away by social services, and rightly fucking so.

 

I've said all along I think the concept of the "oddball" and "weirdo" making us uncomfortable and wanting to shower them with scorn and/or bully them is an evolutionary defence to the dangers they pose.

 

In ancient times the village idiot might have said "let's sow our fields with salt it'll make crops grow better, a frog told me". You'd tell him to get back to his hut on the outskirts of the village and shut the fuck up. Maybe even throw some fruit at him to help curb his behaviour.

 

Now the idiot would go on social media and find another million idiots and start a group called "salt the fields". Which is an existential threat. Kind of like a Borg group mind for simpletons.

 

The extreme version is what we're seeing with the "right". These are not genuine right wing people, they're not into race theory and all that shite, they're yobs and scum, the kind of people who'd be smashing up bus stops or battering footy fans who'd lost their way in a strange town, only if the victim  is outnumbered of course.

 

They're being manipulated by devious forces, grifters and populism at home and foreign malevolent powers abroad.

 

Smash them from the ground up, big sentences, investigations of funders, arrests for agitators be they MPs, "celebs' or no, and a crackdown on online and fringe media. Fuck em, if it's a war they want give them one.

I can't upvote. I hate the number 13.

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Same as Section and I suspect many of us, I’ve seen mates I’ve know all my life share stuff that they wouldn’t have a few years ago. It’s massively depressing and I can’t even be arsed challenging them because they will recite the same shite you see on twitter and comments sections. 
 

 

im got a few mates currently buying into it all.

 

I cant even talk to them about it

[Rushies tash]

I suppose all of this could just be the logical conclusion of the hysterical "Stop the Boats" electioneering from the Tories, repeated robotically by everyone they interviewed, not least Sunak. Despite the numbers on the boat crossings being dwarfed by actual, legal migration, it was painted by them, and a compliant media, as some sort of invasion.

[Section_31]

We were chatting to a couple worrying about their lads as they're getting into the Andrew Tate stuff, social media is becoming spiritual and moral cordyceps. 

[sir roger]

46 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

I do think the EDL have let themselves down this week.

 

They'll be disappointed when they look back on that.

[TheSire]

14 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Same as Section and I suspect many of us, I’ve seen mates I’ve know all my life share stuff that they wouldn’t have a few years ago. It’s massively depressing and I can’t even be arsed challenging them because they will recite the same shite you see on twitter and comments sections. 
 

 

Same here. Lad I know was coming out with some shite yesterday, could sense over the past few years he was gradually getting worse. He always take a contrary view on absolutely anything, he'll also make completely contradicting points which show he doesn't even know what he truly thinks, just parroting the latest phrase that's doing the rounds. Soon as he said he gets his information from 'alt media' I knew he was fucked. It's pointless engaging as well, it falls on deaf ears even if you avoid attacking them and instead try to just suggest the other side of the argument. 

[Arniepie]

I saw a brilliant tweet the other day..it was something like..the greatest con ever..getting morons to smash up their already derelict town centres (mainly derelict due to investment deciSons by the wealthy) but getting them to blame poor bRown people in boats.