The Labour government thread

[AngryofTuebrook]

42 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

You're addressing things I haven't said though. 

By quoting your words?

 

OK.  You do you.

[Jairzinho]

The combined fortune of Britain's richest 1,000 people has hit a new high of £519bn – equivalent to a third of the nation's economic output, and double the figure of five years ago. The worth of Britain's rich elite is up 15.4% from last year's total of £450bn, according to the Sunday Times Rich List.18 May 2014

[Denny Crane]

Just had a look at the asylum claims and the UK is 17th out of 27 per population in asylum claims across the EU plus region for the year ending 2024. I actually thought we were higher.

 

Here are some numbers, although they have increased since 2020.  There are four times as many displaced people globally since the 2010s. 

 

 In 2023, there were 107.5 million people forcibly displaced* around the world.This compares to approximately 26 million people at the start of the 2010s, a level that had remained broadly consistent since the 1990s. 

 

Germany 294,415 

France 162,390, Italy 162,305, and Spain 161,470.

 

UK 99,790

[skend04]

These 900k and 700k figures coincide with the visas for Ukrainians and Hong Kong residents. It's now down to 350k-ish in the UK.

 

Coincidentally Spain had net migration figures of 724k in 23/24 and they now have the fastest growing economy in the EU. Where's the tax money Bill?

[skend04]

These 900k and 700k figures coincide with the visas for Ukrainians and Hong Kong residents. It's now down to 350k-ish in the UK.

 

Coincidentally Spain had net migration figures of 724k in 23/24 and they now have the fastest growing economy in the EU. Where's the tax money Bill?

[AngryofTuebrook]

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

the two-child benefit cap - scuppered by their own MPs when they decided to take on the leadership, they put Starmer and Reeves in a position where they couldn't back down

MPs who opposed the two-child cap are to blame for Starmer keeping the cap.

 

It's an interesting take.

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

scrap the Bedroom Tax - I don't see what benefit that would now bring, those who couldn't pay it will have long moved, those that can afford it are paying it, scrap it and there is less money in the pot

Source?

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

pay the WASPI women - with what?

Money.

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

introduce rent caps - the whole rent system needs tearing down including leaseholds, ground rent and service charges

Now we're talking! To the barricades, Comrade!

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

nationalise utilities and railways - water yes, railways I'm not so sure, traffic has grown a lot since privatisation, gas/elec don't see the point now but we definitely need to break the link somehow with "the international market"

The main thing that has grown since rail privatisation is the costs, for both passengers and taxpayers.  Full nationalisation would be a cost-effective way of getting a system that actually works for passengers.

 

"Don't see the point" of taking control of essential services that millions of people struggle to pay for?

 

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

restore council funding -in addition to the 5% council tax rise? if so, where  does the money come from?

General taxation; the government funding that your mob robbed from Councils (with particular reference to the changes in the funding formulas that Sunak boasted about, which took money from deprived areas to funnel it to affluent ones)

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

raise the income tax thresholds - excellent idea, but where does the money come from?

Q. How do we pay for fair taxation?

A. Fair taxation.

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

give public sector workers decent pay rises - done? if more required where is it coming from?

Partially done, at best.  Local government pay has fallen by about 25% in real terms since 2010.

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

invest in the asylum system to clear the backlog - absolutely but it will cost so where does the money come from?

This pretty much pays for itself.  The kind of papers you probably read love banging on about how much taxpayers' money goes on hotels; now imagine not having to spend that.

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

provide safe routes - if immigration is 750k+ and only 50K are illegal, then clearly there are already safe routes

Do you know what the phrase "asylum seekers" means?

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

increase disability benefits - where does the money come from?

Fair taxation 

 

2 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

pay for it by making taxation fairer, - let me guess "tax the rich"?

Yes.  Rachel Reeves talks about "fixing the foundations" and funding things through growth; neither of those things are achievable with current levels of inequality.

[AngryofTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

You keep saying “where does the money come from” where did the billions and billions written off/siphoned off under the Tory government go? 

Exactly.  For a vote-winning stunt, the Tories gave £1.6bn. to some Australian company for that prison hulk, at the same time as giving hundreds of millions of pounds to Rwanda, for some reason.  Why can't Labour use that sort of money for some sort of "quick win", which would make things better and would also give people a bit of faith that they will deliver the stuff that takes a bit longer.

[Strontium]

56 minutes ago, Dav Eusher said:

By quoting your words?

 

You may very well have quoted my words, but you manifestly did not present arguments against them. Instead you talked about illegal asylum seekers - not something that exists, and therefore not a proposition I would ever advance - and then you refuted the claim that people need to claim asylum before they get to the UK, which is not a claim I made.

[Scooby Dudek]

50 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

The combined fortune of Britain's richest 1,000 people has hit a new high of £519bn – equivalent to a third of the nation's economic output, and double the figure of five years ago. The worth of Britain's rich elite is up 15.4% from last year's total of £450bn, according to the Sunday Times Rich List.18 May 2014

Yes, but where would the money co e from ?

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Dav Eusher said:

Exactly.  For a vote-winning stunt, the Tories gave £1.6bn. to some Australian company for that prison hulk, at the same time as giving hundreds of millions of pounds to Rwanda, for some reason.  Why can't Labour use that sort of money for some sort of "quick win", which would make things better and would also give people a bit of faith that they will deliver the stuff that takes a bit longer.

Well neither of them answered me. The Tory way. 

[Jairzinho]

56 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Yes, but where would the money co e from ?

 

Refugees and the disabled would be the obvious answer for a Labour government.

[Arniepie]

4 hours ago, Engineman Hicks said:

Good post but you won’t be popular. Increasingly the answer to every political problem is the government should pay more. Question time is just a series of demands for more spending but nobody asks how it’s going to be paid for. The much touted wealth tax would raise about £10 billion at most which is 2.5 days of government spending.  

Quite weird how the tories found the money to siphon off millions during the pandemic which was never paid back 

[Arniepie]

Where does the money come from?

Government's can always find money for wars and such 

We are one of the richest countries on the planet.

[Arniepie]

1 of the biggest problems labour have got is you have got at least 5 million people who would stop immigration overnight if they could.

And you have got millions more who realise we need immigration. 

And probably a shit load in the middle 

[AngryofTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

You may very well have quoted my words, but you manifestly did not present arguments against them. Instead you talked about illegal asylum seekers - not something that exists, and therefore not a proposition I would ever advance - and then you refuted the claim that people need to claim asylum before they get to the UK, which is not a claim I made.

Silly obtuse wriggler.  

 

Just read the relevant posts and try to understand why racist tropes are racist.

[AngryofTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Engineman Hicks said:

Good post but you won’t be popular. Increasingly the answer to every political problem is the government should pay more. Question time is just a series of demands for more spending but nobody asks how it’s going to be paid for. The much touted wealth tax would raise about £10 billion at most which is 2.5 days of government spending.  

Almost all of this country's political and economic problems stem from previous governments refusing to invest in people, services or infrastructure, so they and their rich friends and donors could keep more money.

 

A good place to start looking for solutions is to try doing the opposite of what caused the problems: investment funded by fair taxation.

[Strontium]

59 minutes ago, Dav Eusher said:

Silly obtuse wriggler.  

 

Just read the relevant posts and try to understand why racist tropes are racist.

 

There's no wriggling required, I simply didn't write the things you've accused me of writing. As usual, you just put fingers to keyboard without properly reading what was actually written, and pulled some stock responses from your arsehole. Meanwhile, the actual point I was making goes completely ignored.

[AngryofTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

There's no wriggling required, I simply didn't write the things you've accused me of writing. As usual, you just put fingers to keyboard without properly reading what was actually written, and pulled some stock responses from your arsehole. Meanwhile, the actual point I was making goes completely ignored.

You know this stuff is there for people to read, don't you?

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Dav Eusher said:

You know this stuff is there for people to read, don't you?

 

I'm counting on it.

[HazelyCosmicJove]

17 hours ago, Dav Eusher said:

the government funding that your mob robbed from Councils

Who exactly is my mob?

 

17 hours ago, Dav Eusher said:

The main thing that has grown since rail privatisation

Really?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rail-factsheet-2024/rail-factsheet-2024

Rail usage and users 

  Prior to the pandemic, long-term rail demand was increasing 

Figure 5: Rail passenger journeys in Great Britain, millions

17 hours ago, Dav Eusher said:

Local government pay has fallen by about 25% in real terms since 2010

this tells a different story

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8037/CBP-8037.pdf

17 hours ago, Dav Eusher said:

The kind of papers you probably read

Ha. I don't read the Daily Mail (or similar) unlike most people in here it would appear.

[Arniepie]

18 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

Who exactly is my mob?

 

Really?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rail-factsheet-2024/rail-factsheet-2024

Rail usage and users 

  Prior to the pandemic, long-term rail demand was increasing 

Figure 5: Rail passenger journeys in Great Britain, millions

this tells a different story

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8037/CBP-8037.pdf

Ha. I don't read the Daily Mail (or similar) unlike most people in here it would appear.

this bit which says there was a 10 year pay feeze?

[AngryofTuebrook]

19 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

Who exactly is my mob?

Tories.

 

19 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

 

Really?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rail-factsheet-2024/rail-factsheet-2024

Rail usage and users 

  Prior to the pandemic, long-term rail demand was increasing 

Figure 5: Rail passenger journeys in Great Britain, millions

this tells a different story

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8037/CBP-8037.pdf

So, privatisation clearly didn't drive any growth in passenger numbers. But costs have gone through the roof.

 

19 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

Ha. I don't read the Daily Mail (or similar) unlike most people in here it would appear.

Do you write for it?

[Arniepie]

19 hours ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

If they enter the country illegally, which they do, then they are illegal immigrants imo. It isn't a racist trope just because you don't agree.

 

So how did the 700k plus legal immigrants get here?

 

Dublin Convention does state exactly that. Although we are no longer bound by it France, Italy and Spain still are.

someone should tell those desperate people they could just jump on an easy jet 

[HazelyCosmicJove]

1 hour ago, Dav Eusher said:

Tories.

So you and others keep telling me. But then again in your world anyone who isn't a Trot or Marxist is a Tory. 

 

1 hour ago, Dav Eusher said:

So, privatisation clearly didn't drive any growth in passenger numbers

You're not good with graphs are you. The graph clearly shows that passenger numbers have more than doubled since privatisation. Maybe cheaper isn't always better?

[Section_31]

Is it possible he's a Machiavellian genius who's slowly taking us back into the EU, Bishop Brennan style? 

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-reset-deal-starmer-youth-mobility-b2748875.html