The Labour government thread

[AngryofTuebrook]

37 minutes ago, Gooch said:

 with a different leader, which if I was to guess now would be Streeting. 

 

[AngryofTuebrook]

39 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Still think Labour will win the next election, but with a vastly reduced majority and with a different leader, which if I was to guess now would be Streeting. Whether it's Reform or Labour (the Tories are finished) theres only one more shot left for either to turn things around before things turn nasty.

The defining UK politician/party of the current era has yet to reveal themselves in my opinion. 2035 will be the big generational shift.

Seriously, though, I'm not sure how much Streeting would be a "different" leader; a vacuous, unprincipled, thumb-pointing, free-marketeer in a shit suit would not be a breath of fresh air.

[an tha]

2 hours ago, Arniepie said:

I fully understand the 'calling them thick isn't going to help' argument,but I defy anyone to engage with a reform voter on social media and not come away banging your head on the table repeatedly. 

Beauts like this...and sadly they are massive in number and are being emboldened more and more each day to the point where they arguably have the majority view now and the majority support.

 

 

 

[Gooch]

11 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Seriously, though, I'm not sure how much Streeting would be a "different" leader; a vacuous, unprincipled, thumb-pointing, free-marketeer in a shit suit would not be a breath of fresh air.

Oh I agree, there would be no actual change but he is a slimy slippery fucker and he seems to have some decent backing in the right places. Longer term that won't matter and he will be found out like all the rest but I think it will be enough to stumble over the line at the next election. Guess it depends when they stick the knife in Starmer, I cannot see him and Reeves lasting until the next election.

[an tha]

"Not Labour enough"

 

But Reform are?

 

This sums up the mess Lab are in.....it feels like they are literally fucked in the eyes of pretty much everyone.

 

The left are unhappy with them for not being left enough....The right hate them for not being right enough.....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8jdr900r7o

 

 

[AngryofTuebrook]

45 minutes ago, an tha said:

"Not Labour enough"

 

But Reform are?

 

This sums up the mess Lab are in.....it feels like they are literally fucked in the eyes of pretty much everyone.

 

The left are unhappy with them for not being left enough....The right hate them for not being right enough.....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8jdr900r7o

 

 

People who hate them for not being right-wing enough will never vote for them: those people will always go to the further-right options, so stop chasing them, flick them the Vs and let them go.

 

People are struggling with not enough money coming in, too much money going out and public services that no longer serving the public.  There are sensible, affordable, effective, moderate measures to start to change that, but on the Left-Right spectrum they are all in the direction the Starmerites refuse to look.

 

The best thing Starmer could do now is to hurl someone under the bus - Reeves will do - and start acting like a Labour Government, instead of copying Tories and racist Reform.

[TheSire]

6 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

I don't know what's not liberal about wanting people to not be plagued by criminals. Maybe you can explain.

 

You don't seem to understand that rights come with responsibilities. People who are here as guests in our country have a responsibility to behave.

 

We have enough criminal scum of our own as it is. Unfortunately we can't get rid of them, but we can get rid of the ones with no intrinsic right to be here.

[Jack the Sipper]

22 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If Labour had differentiated themselves from Reform, I'd be more inclined to agree.

 

You don't think Labour have differentiated themselves from Reform? Seriously? 

 

 

 

20 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

Alternatively, if Labour, who have a stonking majority, implemented voting reform, then I think it's almost certain they wouldn't have lost this.

 

Blame the people in power who support FPTP that allows someone to win with more then 6/10 people opposing them, rather than the Greens or Lib Dems simply for existing.

 

But we are where we are. It would be mental for a party that's just won with a massive majority across the country to introduce a voting system that would eradicate that majority.

 

People can go on about how unfair FPTP is, but it exists right now, and people of a mostly centre/left-leaning persuasion voted for a candidate knowing they couldn't win, and knowing that the the way they voted had a really real impact on a reform candidate becoming their MP for the next four years. 

 

As I said, as long as they knew all of that, still voted 'on principle' and accept the outcome, then that's fine. 

 

I'm with you on convicted immigrants being deported though, especially of serious crimes. I can't see why that should even be controversial.

 

 

[Section_31]

8 hours ago, an tha said:

"Not Labour enough"

 

But Reform are?

 

This sums up the mess Lab are in.....it feels like they are literally fucked in the eyes of pretty much everyone.

 

The left are unhappy with them for not being left enough....The right hate them for not being right enough.....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8jdr900r7o

 

 

 

This is the problem labour have had long before they even entered government, they're a centrist party in extremist times. 

[Anubis]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

 

This is the problem labour have had long before they even entered government, they're a centrist party in extremist times. 

They’re not centrist unless you’re including right of centre. 

[Arniepie]

Reform have convinced morons that the public sector is full of diversity type jobs.Im guessing in most places it will be a handful of jobs at most.so im not sure what difference its going to make?

I wouldnt be surprised if it was the care sector thats going to be hit hardest. 

[Creator Supreme]

Is there anything to be said for another mass?

 

 

 

Or an extinction level event?

[Manny]

14 hours ago, bossy said:

It’s totally Trump’s (or Bannon’s agenda).

• Nigel Farage suggested that Reform UK could cut diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) and climate change policy jobs, as well as ending working from home. He told the BBC: “If you work from home, forget it. If you’re a DEI [diversity, equity and inclusion] officer, I suggest you look for another job.” Speaking in Staffordshire, the Reform UK leader said: “Maybe a bit of a warning if you do work for Staffordshire county council and you are involved in climate change policy, or involved with DEI, or anything like that. It may be time to go and look for a different job because we want county councils to do what they are there to do.”

The fucking gall of Nigey Nine Jobs criticising WFH, and a man who gladly takes cash to wish people happy birthday on the internet accuse anyone of having non-jobs, especially jobs around fucking climate change readiness. Far more use to society than you Nigel, you little herrenvolk cunt.

 

The amount of time I spend dreaming about smashing his smug grid into an unrecognisable mess isn’t healthy. Fucking cunt.

[Arniepie]

10 minutes ago, Manny said:

The fucking gall of Nigey Nine Jobs criticising WFH, and a man who gladly takes cash to wish people happy birthday on the internet accuse anyone of having non-jobs, especially jobs around fucking climate change readiness. Far more use to society than you Nigel, you little herrenvolk cunt.

 

The amount of time I spend dreaming about smashing his smug grid into an unrecognisable mess isn’t healthy. Fucking cunt.

I dont have the articulacy to put into words how much I despise him.

after the horrific murder of those 3 kids in Southport he has whinged constantly demanding an apology for spreading those lies which led to the riots.  

 

[AngryofTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

You don't think Labour have differentiated themselves from Reform? Seriously? 

On immigration and asylum, they haven't differentiated themselves enough: instead of saying "These twats are lying to you" they have blown the occasional dog whistle, which serves only to give an undue air of legitimacy to Reform's racism.

[Denny Crane]

Hahaha you can imagine the conversation following the focus groups. The outcome being we just need more flags, live deportations and photo ops with the military instead.

 

 

 

[AngryofTuebrook]

Probably no surprise that there is a correlation between low educational attainment and voting Reform, but patronising people and calling them stupid is not the best approach.

 

[Engineman Hicks]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Probably no surprise that there is a correlation between low educational attainment and voting Reform, but patronising people and calling them stupid is not the best approach.

 

It’s correlation not causation though. They don’t vote reform because they are stupid, it’s because they are poor and the mainstream parties don’t have a vision for them. 

[Jairzinho]

3 hours ago, Anubis said:

They’re not centrist unless you’re including right of centre. 

 

Would be great if they became a centrist party economically. It would represent a decent shift to the left.

[Mook]

There's a real problem with talking about immigration too, you get labelled right wing or a racist if you point out that the net immigration figure has been too high the last few years & it has in my opinion.

 

When you have such a demographic shift In such a short space of time, you will have societal problems, especially in less affluent areas. 

 

Labour could make themselves a lot more popular by getting a grip on energy prices & reducing the net immigration figure by a third over the next 18-24 months. There's nothing remotely racist about any of that.

[Arniepie]

32 minutes ago, Engineman Hicks said:

It’s correlation not causation though. They don’t vote reform because they are stupid, it’s because they are poor and the mainstream parties don’t have a vision for them. 

and reform do?

[Mook]

Just now, Arniepie said:

and reform do?

 

They say they do & the people know that the two main parties don't.

[Arniepie]

the newly elected mayor of hull for reform has announced he will lower taxes.

 

its actually beyond parody at this stage 

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Mook said:

 

They say they do & the people know that the two main parties don't.

but brexiteers had a "plan"

surely if someone says they are going to make everything better,anyone with half a brain will ask..how exactly are you going to do that?

[Mook]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

but brexiteers had a "plan"

surely if someone says they are going to make everything better,anyone with half a brain will ask..how exactly are you going to do that?

 

Well they're saying they're going to deal with immigration, Islam & wokery & if you spend five minutes on Facebook, you'll see that they're the biggest problems in the country at the moment as far as a lot of working class people are concerned.