The Labour government thread

[Bjornebye]

51 minutes ago, A Red said:

If the left keep going left and the right keep going right then they meet.

 

Sounds logical to me anyway

Not with a flat earth it isn’t 

[Bjornebye]

18 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

What are your thoughts on other famous righties such as Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot?

Leave FG’s kids out of this 

[Arniepie]

44 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

Only in your world Arnie.

I suggest you google the word ..socialism

[Arniepie]

20 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

What are your thoughts on other famous righties such as Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot?

Please highlight where anyone said this

[Arniepie]

50 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

I think the two extremes have similarities, they just target a different cause of the problem.

 

The Communists and Nazis used to just go around twatting each other left and right in 20s/30s Germany, they had their own street brawlers. Then in the 'middle' you had all these suited and reserved 'boring' politicians trying to figure out what the fuck was going on.

 

Sounds familiar. 

extremes of any political theory would probably end up in totalitarianism

socialism built the nhs whilst fascism put children in gas chambers

I know which one id prefer

 

[HazelyCosmicJove]

5 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I suggest you google the word ..socialism

I suggest you google the word "National".

[HazelyCosmicJove]

11 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Please highlight where anyone said this

It's like trying to have a debate with Alexa.

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

It's like trying to have a debate with Alexa.

translation-I just made some more shit up

[Arniepie]

9 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

I suggest you google the word "National".

socialism is based on class not nationality

 

I apologise if this is too confusing for you

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Arniepie said:

translation-i just made someone shit up

How the fuck did you make them do that?! 

[HazelyCosmicJove]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

socialism is based on class not nationality

 

I apologise if this is too confusing for you

If "National" is the opposite of "Socialism" then I will eat my hat. If not, your use of oxymoron is not right. 

 

If socialism is based on class would you call the late Viscount Stansgate a socialist?

 

I apologise if this is too confusing for you.

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

If "National" is the opposite of "Socialism" then I will eat my hat. If not, your use of oxymoron is not right. 

 

If socialism is based on class would you call the late Viscount Stansgate a socialist?

 

I apologise if this is too confusing for you.

I didnt say it was the opposite, I said they were two completely different concepts

 

ive no idea who that who that is?Presumably you think only poor people can believe in a fair society?  

[Bjornebye]

18 minutes ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

If "National" is the opposite of "Socialism" then I will eat my hat. If not, your use of oxymoron is not right. 

 

If socialism is based on class would you call the late Viscount Stansgate a socialist?

 

I apologise if this is too confusing for you.

You keep bringing up these individuals who may have been classed as socialist or communists or whatever to try for some kind of “gotch-ya” but I’m struggling to work out what your end game is here? 
 

This all began with you implying Hitler was a socialist didn’t it? Can we all agree he wasn’t and move on from this tedious name game. Of course there are good and bad people in all extremes and there will always be people who incorporate a bit of this and a bit of that etc. 

 

What happened to the Kate Upton thread? 

[Section_31]

Senior Tories have held private talks with big landlords about how to thwart the government’s renters’ rights bill, the Guardian has learned, with ideas including launching a legal challenge under human rights law.

[Engineman Hicks]

1 hour ago, Strontium said:

Mao was the greatest figure of the 20th century, according to Tony Benn.

And don’t forget Diane Abbott who said on live tv that “on balance Mao did more good than harm”. So many Chinese people died in the Great Leap forward era  that global life expectancy actually reduced. 

[Jairzinho]

And don't forget everyone thinks Diane Abbott is fantastic and is the official spokesperson for the left.

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

And don't forget everyone thinks Diane Abbott is fantastic and is the official spokesperson for the left.

imagine cherry picking every time someone on the right has said something stupid

[Skidfingers McGonical]

36 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I didnt say it was the opposite, I said they were two completely different concepts

 

ive no idea who that who that is?Presumably you think only poor people can believe in a fair society?  

Call yourself a leftie and not knowing who Viscount Stansgate was, is frankly embarrassing. 

[Strontium]

39 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

imagine cherry picking every time someone on the right has said something stupid

 

Do we have to imagine it? That's bread and butter for the GF.

[Mook]

Council tax up, water bills up, energy bills up, public transport charges up, rent up, MP & House of Lords wages up yet here we are, discussing whether Hitler was a socialist.

[Bossy Usher]

Jove is trolling. The left, even an innocuous sort of socialism followed by say Harold Wilson is nowhere near attaining power here. A left, even as innocuous as a Starmer government is nowhere near power in the States. And what it has to do with Hitler anyway, fuck knows. Hitler didn’t found the national socialists, he took it over; it was a small party with a load of conspiracy nuts who hated Jews. Nationalism was the prime mover and the socialist bit was a weird form with no basis in the historical path of socialism, but was adopted to appeal to the poor.

Any lefties there were in the party were ousted, beaten up, killed, got rid of. The repression, imprisonment and murder of socialists by the Nazis doesn’t seem to be something Jove’s troll brain acknowledges as he keeps on making the same point. Read a book on the rise of Hitler and the Nazis (maybe not one by David Irving) and educate yourself.

Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin called themselves communists but were nothing the likes of Marx or Engels could recognise, they left out the bits where capitalism collapses, socialism is implemented until such time when everyone was equal and then communism is attained. Undoubtedly those cunts used fascist methods to keep power and punish opponents. 
It’s all got fuck all to do with the modern Labour Party or even Jeremy Corbyn’s version of it. By fucking Jove.

[Section_31]

"And then I said, SS stands for slightly socialist.:

 

 

 

[HazelyCosmicJove]

1 hour ago, bossy said:

Jove is trolling. The left, even an innocuous sort of socialism followed by say Harold Wilson is nowhere near attaining power here. A left, even as innocuous as a Starmer government is nowhere near power in the States. And what it has to do with Hitler anyway, fuck knows. Hitler didn’t found the national socialists, he took it over; it was a small party with a load of conspiracy nuts who hated Jews. Nationalism was the prime mover and the socialist bit was a weird form with no basis in the historical path of socialism, but was adopted to appeal to the poor.

Any lefties there were in the party were ousted, beaten up, killed, got rid of. The repression, imprisonment and murder of socialists by the Nazis doesn’t seem to be something Jove’s troll brain acknowledges as he keeps on making the same point. Read a book on the rise of Hitler and the Nazis (maybe not one by David Irving) and educate yourself.

Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin called themselves communists but were nothing the likes of Marx or Engels could recognise, they left out the bits where capitalism collapses, socialism is implemented until such time when everyone was equal and then communism is attained. Undoubtedly those cunts used fascist methods to keep power and punish opponents. 
It’s all got fuck all to do with the modern Labour Party or even Jeremy Corbyn’s version of it. By fucking Jove.

You will be shocked to read that I largely agree with you. I don't believe fascism is really the domain of the right or left, imho it is what happens when a psychopath leads a repressive regime whatever side of the political fence they sit on. 

The only minor point I disagree with is that Hitler was a creature of the left initially. I am fully aware of what he did to lefties once he had power. I just have an issue with fascist = right wing only. And yeah, I know everyone else in the world thinks differently but..... I don't care.

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, bossy said:

Jove is trolling. The left, even an innocuous sort of socialism followed by say Harold Wilson is nowhere near attaining power here. A left, even as innocuous as a Starmer government is nowhere near power in the States. And what it has to do with Hitler anyway, fuck knows. Hitler didn’t found the national socialists, he took it over; it was a small party with a load of conspiracy nuts who hated Jews. Nationalism was the prime mover and the socialist bit was a weird form with no basis in the historical path of socialism, but was adopted to appeal to the poor.

Any lefties there were in the party were ousted, beaten up, killed, got rid of. The repression, imprisonment and murder of socialists by the Nazis doesn’t seem to be something Jove’s troll brain acknowledges as he keeps on making the same point. Read a book on the rise of Hitler and the Nazis (maybe not one by David Irving) and educate yourself.

Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin called themselves communists but were nothing the likes of Marx or Engels could recognise, they left out the bits where capitalism collapses, socialism is implemented until such time when everyone was equal and then communism is attained. Undoubtedly those cunts used fascist methods to keep power and punish opponents. 
It’s all got fuck all to do with the modern Labour Party or even Jeremy Corbyn’s version of it. By fucking Jove.

yep

I remember him disputing the claim that the media was remotely biased towards the tories and reform a while ago,

[HazelyCosmicJove]

3 hours ago, Arniepie said:

I didnt say it was the opposite, I said they were two completely different concepts

 

ive no idea who that who that is?Presumably you think only poor people can believe in a fair society?  

Jesus, you said National Socialism is and oxymoron. It isn't. Are you being deliberately obtuse or just stupid?