The Labour government thread

[AngryofTuebrook]

On 24/03/2025 at 20:07, Section_31 said:

Me seeing Reeves on telly and thinking back to some of Gnasher's posts.

 

 

 

If he were still here, he'd be posting this.

 

[AngryofTuebrook]

9 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The OBR have said that the cuts won't save the 5bn Labour thought they would so they're cutting benefits even more, from The Guardian :

 

 

Further benefits cuts planned as Rachel Reeves forced to find extra £1.6bn

"That thing you're doing won't work."

"OK. I'll do more of it."

[Engineman Hicks]

22 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

"That thing you're doing won't work."

"OK. I'll do more of it."

The UK 10 year gilt rate (cost of Government borrowing)  has gone up by 20% in a year. She doesn't have any choices left other than to cut spending. The markets don't give a fuck about ideology. 

[Anubis]

2 minutes ago, Engineman Hicks said:

The UK 10 year gilt rate (cost of Government borrowing)  has gone up by 20% in a year. She doesn't have any choices left other than to cut spending. The markets don't give a fuck about ideology. 

 

She does have other choices. She just won't exercise them.

[Engineman Hicks]

3 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

She does have other choices. She just won't exercise them.

What choices ? Last month the Government spent £10 billion more than it receives in revenue. That's about £328m per day being added to the national debt. Every day. Debt is now at the highest level since the 1960s. The country is going bankrupt. 

[Anubis]

You could increase taxation where it's should be increased, but she won't. 

[Denny Crane]

40 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

"That thing you're doing won't work."

"OK. I'll do more of it."

 

 

It doesn't sound very evidence based decision making, more like I've  fucked it up. 

[Jairzinho]

We have to take money from the poorest people in society. There are no other options.

 

Wibble.

[Engineman Hicks]

37 minutes ago, Anubis said:

You could increase taxation where it's should be increased, but she won't. 

They were elected on a manifesto that said no tax increases. 

[Arniepie]

7 minutes ago, Engineman Hicks said:

They were elected on a manifesto that said no tax increases. 

as stated previously, circumstances change

thanks to trump all European countries have to increase deference spending.

this money has to come from somewhere, and they cant go about upsetting those down on their luck non doms 

[Engineman Hicks]

3 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

as stated previously, circumstances change

thanks to trump all European countries have to increase deference spending.

this money has to come from somewhere, and they cant go about upsetting those down on their luck non doms 

Starmer has already said the increase in defence spending will be fully funded by the cuts in foreign aid

 

“Announcing the defence spending plan, Sir Keir said the UK's aid budget would be reduced from 0.5% of gross national income to 0.3% in 2027, "fully funding the investment in defence", which will rise from 2.3% of GDP

[Engineman Hicks]

Wes steering wrote a piece in today’s Times which is highly critical of the NHS. Boasts of cutting spending on certain treatments to “force the nhs to modernise” . I dont think this is what the party thought would happen. 

[Megadrive Man]

17 minutes ago, Engineman Hicks said:

They were elected on a manifesto that said no tax increases. 

 

They also weren't elected on a manifesto that said massive cuts to spending. 

 

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, Engineman Hicks said:

Wes steering wrote a piece in today’s Times which is highly critical of the NHS. Boasts of cutting spending on certain treatments to “force the nhs to modernise” . I dont think this is what the party thought would happen. 

Cant argue with that

id love to know who is advising them

[Engineman Hicks]

3 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

 

They also weren't elected on a manifesto that said massive cuts to spending. 

 

Yes good point. They also said counci tax bills wouldn’t go up, energy bills would come down and small boat crossings would stop. I think the electorate are beginning to realise that they may have been misled. 

[HazelyCosmicJove]

On 24/03/2025 at 11:29, Anubis said:

Happy to justify inflivcting pain on the poorest in society, then casually take free tickets to a concert those people couldn't hope to afford. 

 

Fucking tone deaf, the lot of them. Not just Labour, the Tories and Reform as well.

I can't get excited about the tickets. Why is it even a story?

[AngryofTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Engineman Hicks said:

The UK 10 year gilt rate (cost of Government borrowing)  has gone up by 20% in a year. She doesn't have any choices left other than to cut spending. The markets don't give a fuck about ideology. 

Tax.

 

The.

 

Fucking.

 

Rich!

[Arniepie]

7 minutes ago, Engineman Hicks said:

Yes good point. They also said counci tax bills wouldn’t go up, energy bills would come down and small boat crossings would stop. I think the electorate are beginning to realise that they may have been misled. 

when did they say the boats would stop?

[Arniepie]

whatever you think of him.there isnt much to disagree with here

 

Good morning Britain – prepare to be told yet again that decline is all you deserve | Owen Jones | The Guardian

[AngryofTuebrook]

33 minutes ago, Engineman Hicks said:

They were elected on a manifesto that said no tax increases. 

"Those with the broadest shoulders should bear the heaviest burden."

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/keir-starmers-speech-on-fixing-the-foundations-of-our-country-27-august-2024

(In fairness, I had a mate who was a wheelchair user and his shoulders were pumped!)

 

Also, the 2019 Manifesto - which gained more votes and a greater vote share - said that the very richest would pay more.  

[AngryofTuebrook]

49 minutes ago, Engineman Hicks said:

They were elected on a manifesto that said no tax increases. 

It didn't say that.

 

It promised to freeze Corporation Tax and to "ensure taxes on working people are kept as low as possible".  It also promised to make tax fairer.

https://labour.org.uk/change/strong-foundations/

 

Nothing in that Manifesto precludes the introduction of a higher rate of Income Tax for the highest paid, or a Wealth Tax, or higher rates of Inheritance Tax, etc.

[HazelyCosmicJove]

19 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Tax.

 

The.

 

Fucking.

 

Rich!

Define what you mean by rich.

[AngryofTuebrook]

1 minute ago, HazelyCosmicJove said:

Define what you mean by rich.

People with lots of money!

[HazelyCosmicJove]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

People with lots of money!

How much money?

[AngryofTuebrook]

Just now, HazelyCosmicJove said:

How much money?

I'm not precious about the details, but I've heard good suggestions for the threshold for a Wealth Tax being set at £10m or £20m.  A top rate for Income Tax could be set at £200k (or they could just increase the Additional Rate, on income over £125k, to something more than 45%).  Maybe introduce a higher rate of Inheritance Tax on estates over, say, £5m.

 

The point is, there is a fuck-ton of money in this country and the Chancellor has loads of scope to avoid punishing poor and disabled people.  She is not forced to make these cuts; she's choosing to, because she's a cunt.