The Labour government thread

[Arniepie]

what gets me, is that we have had exactly the  same arguments in the past.

People from India in the 70s;

people from the Caribbean in the 60s

the irish in the 50s

jewish people in the 30s.

 

the country is full.

They dont adapt

its exactly the same type of people using it to stir up hatred and divert attention from the real issue.

[Mook]

14 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

what gets me, is that we have had exactly the  same arguments in the past.

People from India in the 70s;

people from the Caribbean in the 60s

the irish in the 50s

jewish people in the 30s.

 

the country is full.

They dont adapt

its exactly the same type of people using it to stir up hatred and divert attention from the real issue.

 

We're not having an argument though, we're having a grown up discussion about immigration but you seem intent on discussing racists & morons instead.

 

Whether we like it or not, immigration is a very real issue at the moment, for a multitude of reasons.

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, Mook said:

 

We're not having an argument though, we're having a grown up discussion about immigration but you seem intent on discussing racists & morons instead.

 

Whether we like it or not, immigration is a very real issue at the moment, for a multitude of reasons.

because they are a huge part of the issue. Like I said 5 million people voted for a party who's existence rests on sending immigrants home.

I keep agreeing that we do need a grown up convervastion,but IMHO,in the current climate,its impossible. 

[Bjornebye]

30 minutes ago, Mook said:

 

We're not having an argument though, we're having a grown up discussion about immigration but you seem intent on discussing racists & morons instead.

 

Whether we like it or not, immigration is a very real issue at the moment, for a multitude of reasons.

That’s what I’ve been asking mage. What are the multitude of reasons? And don’t just say

[Arniepie]

9 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

That’s what I’ve been asking mage. What are the multitude of reasons? And don’t just say

strain on public services seems to be a big one.

but cutting public services to the bones probably hasnt helped. 

 

Not adapting to our way of life?

Replacement theory?

[AngryofTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

strain on public services seems to be a big one.

but cutting public services to the bones probably hasnt helped. 

 

Not adapting to our way of life?

Replacement theory?

Imagine our public services without immigrants.  We'd be fucked.

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

strain on public services seems to be a big one.

but cutting public services to the bones probably hasnt helped. 

 

Not adapting to our way of life?

Replacement theory?

The bottom two I’d say fall into the gammon issue category. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

The new Snow White is “woke” because Snow White isn’t played by a white Caucasian girl. Fucking mental. 
 

But Mook is right, this is about immigration itself. The gammon element does come into it but I’m sure there are other things that can be discussed. It just pisses me off how fucking vile some people are 

It’s not just because she’s not white she wants to be a strong willed Princess who don’t need no man to protect her. Just let the kids watch a fucking film not everything has to be a battle. They better leave Zulu alone we let them win Zulu Dawn!

[Mook]

47 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

That’s what I’ve been asking mage. What are the multitude of reasons? And don’t just say

 

Over 700,000 people (Net) coming into the country every year can't be good for the housing crisis.

 

Immigrants from Afghanistan are 20 more times more likely to commit a sexual assault than a UK citizen, according to figures I read last week. Afghanistan wasn't alone in the report.

 

We're becoming less secular as a country, when organised religion belongs in the dark ages IMO.

 

National security is a concern, as you stated earlier in the thread.

 

Such a large change in demographics over a short period will lead to hostility, which we saw an example of last summer.

 

Universities are becoming too powerful, everything is about money now & they can make far more from a Chinese student than one who grew up next door. City centres are being whored out for student accommodation.

 

As I've stated several times, I'm all for immigration. In fact I would say it's a great thing generally speaking but to say there are no negatives to such huge numbers coming in at the moment is pretty closed minded. I mean, how can 1.5 times the population of Liverpool arriving every year be sustainable? I think we need an open discussion about it at political level & I feel the numbers need to be brought down.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Mook said:

 

Over 700,000 people (Net) coming into the country every year can't be good for the housing crisis.

 

Immigrants from Afghanistan are 20 more times more likely to commit a sexual assault than a UK citizen, according to figures I read last week. Afghanistan wasn't alone in the report.

 

We're becoming less secular as a country, when organised religion belongs in the dark ages IMO.

 

National security is a concern, as you stated earlier in the thread.

 

Such a large change in demographics over a short period will lead to hostility, which we saw an example of last summer.

 

Universities are becoming too powerful, everything is about money now & they can make far more from a Chinese student than one who grew up next door. City centres are being whored out for student accommodation.

 

As I've stated several times, I'm all for immigration. In fact I would say it's a great thing generally speaking but to say there are no negatives to such huge numbers coming in at the moment is pretty closed minded. I mean, how can 1.5 times the population of Liverpool arriving every year be sustainable? I think we need an open discussion about it at political level & I feel the numbers need to be brought down.

That’s all I was asking for. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

1 hour ago, Arniepie said:

because they are a huge part of the issue. Like I said 5 million people voted for a party who's existence rests on sending immigrants home.

I keep agreeing that we do need a grown up convervastion,but IMHO,in the current climate,its impossible. 

Labour have to make it possible or lower the immigration numbers, they have to be seen tackling the issue. I'm a lot less arsed about immigration than I am the fuckers who are going to end up in power over this issue. People I least expected are now going on about immigration. I dont want to end up with a  farage style sociopath getting in via the immigration issue and dismantling the country piece by piece because hes a wannabe corpo cunt.

 

Labour will not win the next election. They just won't.

[Red Phoenix]

The Greens might actually have a decent chance of becoming one of the main parties soon, or some other newer party because it looks like Labour are wrecking themselves Tory style at this point and with Reform having the support they do it's probably not good enough any longer to hold out hope that Labour can offer a working alternative. Maybe a different leader will allow them to convince people but I don't see how any real change takes place when they're in this state.

[AngryofTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Mook said:

Over 700,000 people (Net) coming into the country every year can't be good for the housing crisis.

There are more places lying empty than there are homeless people.  Immigrants don't cause, or even aggravate, the homelessness crisis.

 

7 hours ago, Mook said:

Immigrants from Afghanistan are 20 more times more likely to commit a sexual assault than a UK citizen, according to figures I read last week. Afghanistan wasn't alone in the report.

Source?  It would be interesting to see the story behind that statistic.

 

7 hours ago, Mook said:

We're becoming less secular as a country, when organised religion belongs in the dark ages IMO.

We're not a secular country, and never have been.  We have an established religion; if I'm not mistaken, the BBC Charter mandates religious broadcasting and schools have to have some sort of religious content to the curriculum. 

7 hours ago, Mook said:

National security is a concern, as you stated earlier in the thread.

Immigrants are a national security threat?

How?

 

7 hours ago, Mook said:

Such a large change in demographics over a short period will lead to hostility, which we saw an example of last summer.

Last summer's racist riots took place predominantly in areas with little immigration; areas where demographics haven't changed.

 

7 hours ago, Mook said:

Universities are becoming too powerful, everything is about money now & they can make far more from a Chinese student than one who grew up next door. City centres are being whored out for student accommodation.

Too powerful?

The problem with universities is that they have been converted into businesses, rather than educational institutions.  Immigrants didn't do that.

 

7 hours ago, Mook said:

As I've stated several times, I'm all for immigration. In fact I would say it's a great thing generally speaking but to say there are no negatives to such huge numbers coming in at the moment is pretty closed minded. I mean, how can 1.5 times the population of Liverpool arriving every year be sustainable?

We need discussions about immigration that moves away from the fixation with numbers.  The whole idea of "x,000 a year is too many" makes no sense.  Immigration will happen; the debate should be about how best to benefit from that fact.

 

7 hours ago, Mook said:

I think we need an open discussion about it at political level & I feel the numbers need to be brought down.

Unfortunately, we're a million miles away from an intelligent national discussion on immigration, because the terms of any debate have been set, for tears, by politicians and media twats with a vested interest in fomenting racism.

[Arniepie]

I would have thought that most sexual assaults take place In the home and are not reported?

I'm not saying there isn't an issue there (the grooming scandal)but that doc on the riot in Kirkby showed how these events are often exaggerated.

The riots were also caused by lies spread about a person who was born here.

 

 

[AngryofTuebrook]

10 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Not sure what the solution is to the channel crossings

Safe routes.  There's a reason we never saw any Ukrainians making small-boat crossings.

[Mook]

15 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There are more places lying empty than there are homeless people.  Immigrants don't cause, or even aggravate, the homelessness crisis.

 

Source?  It would be interesting to see the story behind that statistic.

 

We're not a secular country, and never have been.  We have an established religion; if I'm not mistaken, the BBC Charter mandates religious broadcasting and schools have to have some sort of religious content to the curriculum. 

Immigrants are a national security threat?

How?

 

Last summer's racist riots took place predominantly in areas with little immigration; areas where demographics haven't changed.

 

Too powerful?

The problem with universities is that they have been converted into businesses, rather than educational institutions.  Immigrants didn't do that.

 

We need discussions about immigration that moves away from the fixation with numbers.  The whole idea of "x,000 a year is too many" makes no sense.  Immigration will happen; the debate should be about how best to benefit from that fact.

 

Unfortunately, we're a million miles away from an intelligent national discussion on immigration, because the terms of any debate have been set, for tears, by politicians and media twats with a vested interest in fomenting racism.

 

1. I said 'Housing' crisis, not 'Homelessness' crisis.

2. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/10/foreigners-commit-up-to-quarter-of-sex-crimes/

3. I said 'less secular'. Brainwashing children with any religion is a bad thing in my eyes & I'm someone who went to Sunday school as a child.

4. A very tiny minority of immigrants are a security threat

5. That seems like speculation on your part. Has there been no change in demographics in Southport (for example) over the last five years?

6. I'm not blaming immigrants for any of this stuff, I'm blaming the policies of the governments since the Brexit vote.

 

If discussing numbers make no sense, it wouldn't matter if 50,000,000 people were coming into the country per month. Of course that's a huge part of the debate in my eyes, 700,000 people per year isn't sustainable when we have a load of psychopaths in power.

[Mook]

I don't make a habit of reading The Telegraph BTW, someone posted that on another forum I post on.

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Mook said:

I don't make a habit of reading The Telegraph BTW, someone posted that on another forum I post on.

 

[Arniepie]

I honestly don't know how we are meant to have a rational debate when national newspapers are running stories like this. 

Unsurprisingly it's bollocks 

[an tha]

12 hours ago, Mook said:

 

 

 

All your average Joe in the street sees is his city being full of Chinese students & adverts about Allah on bus stops. Him being squeezed to fuck financially doesn't help.

And the media (especially social media) he reads/watches and the politicians he takes notice of are relentlessly telling him all his woes are down to immigrants and immigration.

[an tha]

8 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The Greens might actually have a decent chance of becoming one of the main parties soon, or some other newer party because it looks like Labour are wrecking themselves Tory style at this point and with Reform having the support they do it's probably not good enough any longer to hold out hope that Labour can offer a working alternative. Maybe a different leader will allow them to convince people but I don't see how any real change takes place when they're in this state.

Sadly the right will piss the next election - we are on a road similar to what led to Trump winning power in America.

 

My guess is a united right under that slug Johnson will be our version.

[Megadrive Man]

There's no point worrying about the next election yet. Its 4 years away and a lot can/will change over that period of time.

 

There's a power struggle at Reform despite the fact they only had 5 MP's (now 4) and I think it will get worse over the years as its clear that neither Rupert Lowe or Farage will back down. They both seem to think that they can lead a party in to an election win and become Prime minister. Farage is trying to win over the more right of centre voters whereas Lowe is going full BNP/ Britain first.  I can see Lowe forming a new right wing party before 2029. 

[Megadrive Man]

Labours mistake is that they stood on a platform of change yet its more of the same. Their landslide victory was built on sand because none of the front bench are particularly popular and if you look at the number of actuall votes and vote share it was lower than it was in 2017. 

 

When the Tories behave like cunts it's factored in and most of their voters and base like it. When Labour try and do the same it's completely unacceptable and most of their voters and base hate it.

[Section_31]

There are issues around immigration which need addressing, what wrecks my head is that the people who stamp their feet about it are not remotely, genuinely arsed.

 

Tice, Farage, Jenrick, right wing press, Robinson. They're just cultivating anger for their own purposes, grift, money, attention usually.

 

That's what I can't abide. If there was someone  championing the things I want, such as making utilities public and building more affordable homes, if that person clearly, obviously, didn't really give a fuck about those things and just clearly thought I was an easy mark, I wouldn't back them.

[Arniepie]

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