Lucy Letby

[Captain Turdseye]

With Willard’s thread gone, we need a new one. 
 

Some of the best arguing in recent weeks has been about this. 

[Kevin D]

It is and was my opinion that the police were correct to investigate her, the CPS correct to charge her, but that I wouldn’t have convicted her on the evidence reported.

 

Not saying there wasn’t any evidence, but just too circumstantial for me to be absolutely certain.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Poor man's Foxy Knoxy.

[Pidge]

Why did the other thread go? The links and copy from the US reports or did it go downhill in the last few days?

[Kevin D]

2 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Why did the other thread go? The links and copy from the US reports or did it go downhill in the last few days?

Oh mate, well do you need to catch up.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Why did the other thread go? The links and copy from the US reports or did it go downhill in the last few days?

I think it's a mass-deletion of Willard threads.

[Pidge]

I've been out of the country so only dipping in and out. Has the captain gone rogue again?

 

Edit: I see this matter is being pursued elsewhere and so will head to the bitchfest henceforth.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Unless the author of the New Yorker article is lying, not one of the deaths or "attempted murders" has any evidence to give rise to suspicion of foul play.  Not one.

 

This could well be a massive miscarriage of justice.

[Pidge]

I thought it was a poorly written, selective retread of second hand information, myself. 

 

Still not convinced there's much concrete proof though either. But it's unlikely there would be a smoking gun in this scenario.

[Rico1304]

9 month trial, senior judge. Refused appeal by one of the most senior judges in the U.K.  Appeal ruling can’t be released as there’s another trial soon.  sentencing remarks from trial are available but no-one ever reads them.  Much better to read an article written by a foreign journalist with basic errors in U.K. law.  

[Kevin D]

21 minutes ago, Pidge said:

I thought it was a poorly written, selective retread of second hand information, myself. 

 

Still not convinced there's much concrete proof though either. But it's unlikely there would be a smoking gun in this scenario.

Kind of the way I see it.

 

If she was guilty, it’s not like she’d let people walk in on her killing an infant while cackling die baby die. It would be circumstantial evidence that gets her.

 

It’s why they’ll never invite me to be on a jury.

[Rico1304]

TESTIMONY IS EVIDENCE!   
 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

32 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

9 month trial, senior judge. Refused appeal by one of the most senior judges in the U.K.  Appeal ruling can’t be released as there’s another trial soon.  sentencing remarks from trial are available but no-one ever reads them.  Much better to read an article written by a foreign journalist with basic errors in U.K. law.  

What are the basic errors?

 

More to the point, was there any actual evidence of wrongdoing by Lucy Letby in any one of the deaths?  (Genuine question; I haven't followed the case.)

[Rico1304]

44 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

What are the basic errors?

 

More to the point, was there any actual evidence of wrongdoing by Lucy Letby in any one of the deaths?  (Genuine question; I haven't followed the case.)

Cross examination rules, sub judice laws. 
 

Here’s the judges remarks.  
 

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/LETBY-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

 

No actual evidence other than a load of dead kids.  
 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Cross examination rules, sub judice laws. 
 

Here’s the judges remarks.  
 

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/LETBY-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

 

No actual evidence other than a load of dead kids.  
 

 

Again, what are the basic errors in the New Yorker article?

 

The judges sentencing remarks (as far as I can see) don't refer to any evidence: for example, for the first child, the judge says "you admitted a bolus of air"; my question is simply, did she?  At the time the baby died, unless I've missed something, that wasn't identified as a possible cause of death and nobody had any evidence of Letby doing anything of the sort.

 

"A load of dead kids" is evidence that babies died.  It's not evidence that anyone was murdered.

[Bjornebye]

Look I don’t give a fuck if she did it or not but Strontz posted a link to that New York Times article implying she’s innocent so she’s guilty as fuck as far as I’m concerned. The murdering slag. 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Again, what are the basic errors in the New Yorker article?

 

The judges sentencing remarks (as far as I can see) don't refer to any evidence: for example, for the first child, the judge says "you admitted a bolus of air"; my question is simply, did she?  At the time the baby died, unless I've missed something, that wasn't identified as a possible cause of death and nobody had any evidence of Letby doing anything of the sort.

 

"A load of dead kids" is evidence that babies died.  It's not evidence that anyone was murdered.

I’m not your law lecturer. I’ve told you two. 
 

if only life was an episode of Silent Witness.  
 

There are hundreds of convictions every year with no physical evidence. Virtually every historic sex abuse case.   Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville no evidence. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

I’m not your law lecturer. I’ve told you two. 

You haven't.  

 

You're right that you're nobody's law lecturer and if you don't want to provide straight answers to straight questions, that's fine.  That New Yorker article raises a lot of worrying questions about the verdict and I'd be genuinely interested to see what evidence there is to answer those questions.  If you don't want to provide that evidence, that's fine; you don't owe me anything.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Look I don’t give a fuck if she did it or not but Strontz posted a link to that New York Times article implying she’s innocent so she’s guilty as fuck as far as I’m concerned. The murdering slag. 

Negged for "slag".

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Negged for "slag".

She’s offed 14 fucking kids you mad bastard! Fuck sake remind me not to call Pol Pot a slut 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

19 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

She’s offed 14 fucking kids you mad bastard! Fuck sake remind me not to call Pol Pot a slut 

Put it this way, if she was black and you called her a "murdering n****r", part of that insult would be out of order.  The same logic applies for gendered insults.

 

(Not quite Pol Pot, but I got into a row with Gnasher a while ago when he called Thatcher a slag.)

[A Red]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Put it this way, if she was black and you called her a "murdering n****r", part of that insult would be out of order.  The same logic applies for gendered insults.

 

(Not quite Pol Pot, but I got into a row with Gnasher a while ago when he called Thatcher a slag.)

Explain sectarianism to him whilst you're at it. Second thoughts, don't bother, you've got a life to lead.

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

I’m not your law lecturer. I’ve told you two. 
 

if only life was an episode of Silent Witness.  
 

There are hundreds of convictions every year with no physical evidence. Virtually every historic sex abuse case.   Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville no evidence. 

Historic sex abuse cases are clearly different but I get your point

[Babb'sBurstNad]

5 hours ago, Kevin D said:

...it’s not like she’d let people walk in on her killing an infant while cackling die baby die. 

 

No, that's German for "The baby, the".

[Bjornebye]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Put it this way, if she was black and you called her a "murdering n****r", part of that insult would be out of order.  The same logic applies for gendered insults.

 

(Not quite Pol Pot, but I got into a row with Gnasher a while ago when he called Thatcher a slag.)

What in the flying fuck has race got to do with it? It was a satirical comment about Strontz the built up to a brilliant crescendo that you’ve decided to get a wobble on about. I love you Mal but Thatcher is a dead dusty slag under the mud where she fucking belonged long before she died 

 

2 hours ago, A Red said:

Explain sectarianism to him whilst you're at it. Second thoughts, don't bother, you've got a life to lead.

Says the man who sings “up to our knees in fenian blood” then cried when someone calls him exactly what he is.