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Crystal Palace (H) - Sun 14th Apr 2024 (2:00pm)


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11 hours ago, Harry Squatter said:

Yep. First leg he had a couple of howlers and we lost 3-0 the second leg at home we won 2-0 and nearly scored to draw level. Ultimately all in vain. Lost at home to Coventry as well after beating Newcastle in the 4-3 game. 

 

We aren't mentality monsters anymore under Klopp unfortunately.

 

 

Come on mate, it's a fucking miracle we've got as far as we have this season. And it's been down to pure determination and mentality. We've come from behind so often and had a shit load of injuries and mostly to key players in the team. 

 

10 hours ago, gkmacca said:

There probably are, deep down, some factors that the farewell era has brought on us.

 

Klopp, for all his professionalism, has been doing some 'where next' media interviews; he's turned down loads but he's had to do some. If that doesn't affect someone, it would be weird.

 

Pep seems to have already moved on. He's nowhere near as engaged he used to be. It's as if he's already mulling over the chats with his agent.

 

Then there are the players. What is at the back of their mind these days if they don't push themselves on? 'The manager might drop me next season?' Nope. 'The manager might sell me next season?' Nope. 

 

So everything, now, is very much short term, no matter how much they fight ('fight,' hah!), against it. The end of the season, suddenly, cannot come soon enough. 

 

I don't think there's a doubt there's a change in klopp from what we can see. It started with his pre match press conferences being a bit lighter. But as time has gone on, you can see in his reaction to games, some of his intensity has gone. Which is natural I think. Is it possible then that's the same when he's with the players. Well I'd say so. Does it rub off on players? Well it's almost impossible to know. What we do know is klopp has been a wonderful motivator (amongst other things) during his time here. If that's diminished, well maybe what we're seeing now is just how good these players will be without klopp and a little window into next season.

 

There's more to it than all that for me though - in fact I'd say the injuries have played a bigger part, if these returning players had just been back a couple of weeks earlier, I think it might have made all the difference. We've seen since the international break a bit of a drop off in those players who'd done brilliantly for a couple of months, endo, Gomez, quansah, Bradley, kelleher and we just don't have these returning players back to match sharpness in time, with really only robbo looking that way and he's been back for 2 months. 

 

Now we're behind city and in this type of form, it's a story we've seen before where they just go off and win what's left in front of them. But hopefully we can dig in, get some sharpness back into the legs of Trent and Jota particularly but Dom too, and see if we can win that final 6 and at least force city to the line. 

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4 minutes ago, El Rojo said:


Not the achievement it once was given that the charts barely exist any more.

 

True but he's been on the telly here and in the US promoting it, he's as irreverent as any other successful, chart topping artist.

 

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11 hours ago, Arniepie said:

Did trent have a go at the crowd today.?

I thought he was yelling at robbo(I think)but someone mentioned he said the crowd was on edge?

Only thing he should be having a go at after yesterday was himself, horrific when he came on and gave away the ball more times than the entire midfield. 60% accuracy is absolutely embarrassing, especially when all you're intent on doing is looking for hollywood passes.

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

 

Come on mate, it's a fucking miracle we've got as far as we have this season. And it's been down to pure determination and mentality. We've come from behind so often and had a shit load of injuries and mostly to key players in the team. 

 

 

I don't think there's a doubt there's a change in klopp from what we can see. It started with his pre match press conferences being a bit lighter. But as time has gone on, you can see in his reaction to games, some of his intensity has gone. Which is natural I think. Is it possible then that's the same when he's with the players. Well I'd say so. Does it rub off on players? Well it's almost impossible to know. What we do know is klopp has been a wonderful motivator (amongst other things) during his time here. If that's diminished, well maybe what we're seeing now is just how good these players will be without klopp and a little window into next season.

 

There's more to it than all that for me though - in fact I'd say the injuries have played a bigger part, if these returning players had just been back a couple of weeks earlier, I think it might have made all the difference. We've seen since the international break a bit of a drop off in those players who'd done brilliantly for a couple of months, endo, Gomez, quansah, Bradley, kelleher and we just don't have these returning players back to match sharpness in time, with really only robbo looking that way and he's been back for 2 months. 

 

Now we're behind city and in this type of form, it's a story we've seen before where they just go off and win what's left in front of them. But hopefully we can dig in, get some sharpness back into the legs of Trent and Jota particularly but Dom too, and see if we can win that final 6 and at least force city to the line. 

 

Whether or not there has been a drop off in intensity from the manager (which certainly didn't look to be the case at OT last week when he was going mental) we've lost a lot of on-pitch leadership over the last couple of years and over the course of the season. Only Virgil looks like a leader now. Mo used to be someone who would try to win games single-handedly at times and really step up when the pressure was on. Earlier this year Dom did, and a few weeks ago Macca seemed to be the main man, but for whatever reason, none of them have looked capable of carrying the team.

 

The slow start thing is just weird. In all of our last 4 league matches we've given up at least one massive chance in the first couple of minutes (Brighton goal, Sheff Utd save, United offside goal, Alli save yesterday) - all seem to come down our right. There's a specific issue there that needs sorting. 

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

 

Come on mate, it's a fucking miracle we've got as far as we have this season. And it's been down to pure determination and mentality. We've come from behind so often and had a shit load of injuries and mostly to key players in the team. 

 

 

I don't think there's a doubt there's a change in klopp from what we can see. It started with his pre match press conferences being a bit lighter. But as time has gone on, you can see in his reaction to games, some of his intensity has gone. Which is natural I think. Is it possible then that's the same when he's with the players. Well I'd say so. Does it rub off on players? Well it's almost impossible to know. What we do know is klopp has been a wonderful motivator (amongst other things) during his time here. If that's diminished, well maybe what we're seeing now is just how good these players will be without klopp and a little window into next season.

 

There's more to it than all that for me though - in fact I'd say the injuries have played a bigger part, if these returning players had just been back a couple of weeks earlier, I think it might have made all the difference. We've seen since the international break a bit of a drop off in those players who'd done brilliantly for a couple of months, endo, Gomez, quansah, Bradley, kelleher and we just don't have these returning players back to match sharpness in time, with really only robbo looking that way and he's been back for 2 months. 

 

Now we're behind city and in this type of form, it's a story we've seen before where they just go off and win what's left in front of them. But hopefully we can dig in, get some sharpness back into the legs of Trent and Jota particularly but Dom too, and see if we can win that final 6 and at least force city to the line. 

 

Out of rep unfortunately, every word is spot on. I think there needs to be a little bit perspective here, especially considering where we were last season. I did not even dream of a title challenge but here we are, somehow, in a title challenge in mid April. The VAR decisions, injuries have all taken a toll on the team unfortunately. Less than 2 months ago, we were playing a bunch of kids in a major cup final FFS! 

 

Arsenal have been there or thereabouts for a couple of years and despite spending £100m on Rice, they are destined to end the season potless. Again. 

 

If Klopp is not leaving in the summer I think the perspective will be clearer but the emotions around that has sucked everyone in. 

 

Title is gone for me but I hope to fuck the players have some energy left for the next few games. Most of them look shattered, playing through tired, injured bodies and I have no idea how they are going to lift themselves. I hope they do. Somehow,

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9 minutes ago, rubble-rouser said:

The slow start thing is just weird. In all of our last 4 league matches we've given up at least one massive chance in the first couple of minutes (Brighton goal, Sheff Utd save, United offside goal, Alli save yesterday) - all seem to come down our right. There's a specific issue there that needs sorting. 

 

This is the biggest contributor for me, especially when we are dealing with so many injuries and knackered players. It is scandalous we could not sort this out and still look like conceding in the first few mins. The moment we do that, the midfielders and strikers are like, here we fucking go again! Sheer determination & steel have been getting us through, coming back from going behind time & time again, but when the players are fucking shattered they will misplace passes, miss chances, and make weird decisions - we are witnessing all of these right now. 

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