Michael Edwards Return Confirmed

[Kevin D]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

I want it sorting ASAP as well. I wish it had been sorted ages ago, unfortunately it hasn’t.
 

It also might not happen yet. 
 

Things are going better than I think we all anticipated they would be in August, can’t we enjoy it for a few days? Nothing today has added anything to what has been discussed for the past 4 months. 

I think it was a different framework 4 months ago.

 

With January impending, me and my fellow hysterics increasingly have a point.

[Red74]

We done it with Firminho and Wijnaldum

[TheHowieLama]

 the best players in Europe coming into the last 6 months of their contracts and free to sign for overseas clubs

 

The M'Bappe signing seemed pretty straightforward...

[3 Stacks]

2 hours ago, Red74 said:

There’s an interview where he says he thought it would be unfair to get them to sign new contracts while he was thinking of leaving. The club fucked up by stopping what made us great and giving full power to the manager.

Weird there is no acknowledgement of this post by @Moo, which states a clear fact.

[elvis]

8 hours ago, Red74 said:

There’s an interview where he says he thought it would be unfair to get them to sign new contracts while he was thinking of leaving. The club fucked up by stopping what made us great and giving full power to the manager.

That's fair enough from Klopp, but they should be confident in Slot by now 

[Barrington Womble]

8 hours ago, Red74 said:

There’s an interview where he says he thought it would be unfair to get them to sign new contracts while he was thinking of leaving. The club fucked up by stopping what made us great and giving full power to the manager.

 

FSG fucked up because they didn't care about it..the reason it was klopp's problem is they were off selling the club and didn't think they'd be round to deal with the repercussions, which is why the never seriously replaced edwards. It all starts there and after that point, the club has lost an element of control, as the closer it gets to the end of the contracts and the players keep performing, the weaker the clubs position. Had vvd and Salah fallen off a cliff (like many of the klopp era players), then this wouldn't seem a big deal. I think that was the gamble FSG took and it backfired. 

[VladimirIlyich]

Salah or VVD are less likely to fall off a cliff,but more likely to wane. This makes a couple of seasons an easy choice. This is of course speaking from a footballing perspective rather than a bean counters. 

[Jairzinho]

It makes more sense from a bean counting perspective as well. We aren't going to replace their output over the next two years with the money saved on wages, and we'd probably end up earning less prize money.

[No2]

Did we ever make offers to Bobby and Gini? With Bobby I'm fairly sure we didn't, if we didn't want Mo and Virg we just wouldn't offer them a proposal at all.

[Trumo]

For Mo and Virg, I suspect the club want to either offer a rolling contract or a 2-year deal. If the players start to decline, the club isn't on the hook for years with millstone contracts. I also suspect the players want a more long-term solution on or even above their current terms. They are still key players though and should be treated as such, so a happy medium of a 2-year deal with an optional third year, with similar terms to present, represents a package that might be acceptable to both sides.

 

With Trent, I dont think it's so much about the money (though his agents would undoubted be looking at parity with some of the top earners in Europe) but more about convincing him to ignore the noise leading him towards Real Madrid and realise that he can achieve his ambitions with the club that has made him who he is. We had that same scenario with McManaman, Owen and Gerrard (all academy graduates that became key first-teamers like Trent) but the biggest difference between them and Trent is that the club and team is in a much better state during Trent's time.

 

I think it's important with every consistently successful club to have a core of players represent the club for 10 years minimum and establish a real legacy. Anything less feels a bit fleeting even when it's a few brilliant years.

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, No2 said:

Did we ever make offers to Bobby and Gini? With Bobby I'm fairly sure we didn't, if we didn't want Mo and Virg we just wouldn't offer them a proposal at all.

 

Well there's 2 things to that. We might have made an insulting offer, just to say they made an offer. Alternatively, instead of signing them before now, they left it till the last possible moment to see if they were performing and got an offer out before they'd look really stupid letting the teams best players go without even trying. The whole thing is a fucking mess. And the only beacon of hope is the lads themselves seem to want to stay. 

[El Dangerous]

18 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Well there's 2 things to that. We might have made an insulting offer, just to say they made an offer. Alternatively, instead of signing them before now, they left it till the last possible moment to see if they were performing and got an offer out before they'd look really stupid letting the teams best players go without even trying. The whole thing is a fucking mess. And the only beacon of hope is the lads themselves seem to want to stay. 

But FSG have us top of the league, you should be grateful! Wait until we resemble Roy Hodgsons fine team before you dare to criticise our American overlords and by no means don’t bother discussing it on a footballing fan forum.

[No2]

24 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Well there's 2 things to that. We might have made an insulting offer, just to say they made an offer. Alternatively, instead of signing them before now, they left it till the last possible moment to see if they were performing and got an offer out before they'd look really stupid letting the teams best players go without even trying. The whole thing is a fucking mess. And the only beacon of hope is the lads themselves seem to want to stay. 

I don't know if you're referring to Gini and Bobby with the insulting offers or the current batch. I can't see it either way, Jurgen wouldn't have allowed the former and they're not stupid enough to throw silly offers at Mo in particular. He's a PR king as well as everything else. I genuinely believe we wouldn't have made offers at all if our intention was to let them walk.

[Barrington Womble]

30 minutes ago, No2 said:

I don't know if you're referring to Gini and Bobby with the insulting offers or the current batch. I can't see it either way, Jurgen wouldn't have allowed the former and they're not stupid enough to throw silly offers at Mo in particular. He's a PR king as well as everything else. I genuinely believe we wouldn't have made offers at all if our intention was to let them walk.

 

I meant the current players. I'm pretty sure Gini and bobby didn't get offers. As for they wouldn't give Salah an insulting one. It was a month ago he was beating them up on PR that there was no offer at all and saying he'd happily sign a one year deal. Then they threw the contract out by all accounts to counter that, yet it remains unsigned. If it was anything like what he wanted (the same with Trent and vvd), they'd be signed. I admit there's a long way between insulting offers and half arsed offers, but it would be pretty hard for Mo to cry about "only" being offered say 200k per week. 

[Megadrive Man]

53 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

I meant the current players. I'm pretty sure Gini and bobby didn't get offers. As for they wouldn't give Salah an insulting one. It was a month ago he was beating them up on PR that there was no offer at all and saying he'd happily sign a one year deal. Then they threw the contract out by all accounts to counter that, yet it remains unsigned. If it was anything like what he wanted (the same with Trent and vvd), they'd be signed. I admit there's a long way between insulting offers and half arsed offers, but it would be pretty hard for Mo to cry about "only" being offered say 200k per week. 

I don't ever remember us offering Gini or Bobby a new contract. We effectively replaced them with Thiago and Gakpo.

 

It was the right time for Bobby to go, and Klopp was never 100% convinced by Gini.

[Barrington Womble]

4 hours ago, Megadrive Man said:

I don't ever remember us offering Gini or Bobby a new contract. We effectively replaced them with Thiago and Gakpo.

 

It was the right time for Bobby to go, and Klopp was never 100% convinced by Gini.

 

Bobby was done when he went for sure. Gini, I agree it always felt it looked like we were trying to replace him, but he managed to play (and start) and incredible amount of games for us. 

[El Dangerous]

The problem with letting Gini go was that we didn’t replace him and Fabinho and Henderson turned to dust at the same time. Had we replaced Gini like for like but younger then you’d be hard pressed to fault it but the fact Gini was Mr Invincible whilst the African Mr Glass was still stealing a living with everything else in hindsight probably set us back a season when the arse dropped out of midfield. 
 

Bobby was the right time to let go, the fact he picked up a nice bit of form on his way out was a bonus.

[Reckoner]

I had some a hope they were holding out for a PR master stroke by announcing something on Christmas Eve about new contracts.

Now I think it’s likely none of the three will stay.

[Red Banjo]

16 minutes ago, Reckoner said:

I had some a hope they were holding out for a PR master stroke by announcing something on Christmas Eve about new contracts.

Now I think it’s likely none of the three will stay.

 

That would be like shooting yourself in the dick, face and knees all at the same time. A seemingly impossible task but somehow we could manage it.

[BeefStroganoff]

I hate everything they stand for. Peter Robinson and John Smith would be horrified.

[The wanderer]

2 hours ago, BeefStroganoff said:

I hate everything they stand for. Peter Robinson and John Smith would be horrified.

Maybe but they also failed to see the commercial value of the club at a time when the Mancs did and we lost ground because of it.

[Reckoner]

9 hours ago, The wanderer said:

Maybe but they also failed to see the commercial value of the club at a time when the Mancs did and we lost ground because of it.

There was a golden period in the 80s were despite them completely selling their soul and commodifying themselves we were still quite traditional and loads better on the pitch. That said the city and the country was in crisis so probably not a golden period for most.

[Scott_M]

[Scott_M]

11 hours ago, The wanderer said:

Maybe but they also failed to see the commercial value of the club at a time when the Mancs did and we lost ground because of it.

Pretty much the only accurate post in the last 100 or so. 

[Scott_M]

Not the comments of somebody on the verge of leaving…

 

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