Michael Edwards Return Confirmed

[Kevin D]

It would be a stunning dereliction of duty to allow the greatest Liverpool CB, 4th top striker and Scouse vice captain to fuck off for free in the same window.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Well, get your criticism and hatred in now, just in case we sign them and you miss your chance.

 

I support Edwards FC

[Kevin D]

21 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Well, get your criticism and hatred in now, just in case we sign them and you miss your chance.

 

I support Edwards FC

He’s been calling the shots since March and it shouldn’t have ever got this far.

 

Believe you me, if he gets all three signed, I still have a laundry list of complaints to post in here.

[Jairzinho]

56 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

He’s been calling the shots since March and it shouldn’t have ever got this far.

 

Believe you me, if he gets all three signed, I still have a laundry list of complaints to post in here.

 

Mark my words, despite having absolutely no idea how this stuff works I'll be complaining about the terms of the deal.

[Lee909]

The Virgil signing tweet was 17:59 on the 27th December. Hopefully they're just waiting to repeat it. 

 

Or even better

6pm tonight Salah

7pm Boxing day before the Leicester game Trent announcement 

6pm 27 Virg

 

I can but hope

[TD_LFC]

1 hour ago, Kevin D said:

He’s been calling the shots since March and it shouldn’t have ever got this far.

 

Save some for the previous lot who had 18 months.

[Kevin D]

1 minute ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Save some for the previous lot who had 18 months.

Oh, don’t you worry.

 

That FSG thread is getting blitzed on January 1st.

[sir roger]

1 minute ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Save some for the previous lot who had 18 months.

 

To be fair, they were waiting for Ibiza Jorg to sober up for most of that time.

[gkmacca]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I support Edwards FC

 

So does he. He's a one club man. A one man club.

 

He did leave himself for a while, and resisted many passionate entreaties to come back to himself, and only agreed to return after giving himself assurances that he would have even more power over himself than before.

[TD_LFC]

On a serious not what agent in their right mind even considers negotiating a contract with Edwards and Hughes in March (let alone their official start date of June) not knowing who the manager is and not knowing how he performs in the role.

 

Klopp, Ljinders and Schmadtke should have been working on the three of them two summers ago. If you assume the role of defacto GM/SD you have to be able to separate that from your managerial role and you can't go into it thinking 'I'm having doubts over my future so it wouldn't be fair to make them commit theirs'.

 

If they couldn't do that then Gordon/Hogan needed to/should have wrestled that part of the job from them, although I suspect if that happened we'd have been no better off not least because it would be seen as weakening the management position.

 

As amazing for this club as Klopp and his team were there's an element of the Bill Belichick about his back office work (and it'll be interesting to see how that Red Bull transition goes).

[Kevin D]

1 minute ago, TD_LFC said:

On a serious not what agent in their right mind even considers negotiating a contract with Edwards and Hughes in March (let alone their official start date of June) not knowing who the manager is and not knowing how he performs in the role.

 

Klopp, Ljinders and Schmadtke should have been working on the three of them two summers ago. If you assume the role of defacto GM/SD you have to be able to separate that from your managerial role and you can't go into it thinking 'I'm having doubts over my future so it wouldn't be fair to make them commit theirs'.

 

If they couldn't do that then Gordon/Hogan needed to/should have wrestled that part of the job from them, although I suspect if that happened we'd have been no better off not least because it would be seen as weakening the management position.

 

As amazing for this club as Klopp and his team were there's an element of the Bill Belichick about his back office work (and it'll be interesting to see how that Red Bull transition goes).

You can’t be hanging that at Klopp’s door.

 

He did assume more responsibility, but he was never DOF or chairman/president.

 

That his superiors left those roles vacant and then brought in interim choices while leaving a vacuum was a very poor choice on their part.

 

To them Liverpool is a 3b asset and they left the top roles at the club open while Ward became Ibiza Jorg.

[El Rojo]

Genius from Edwards keeping these three lads on their toes and out to prove just how much they deserve a new contract. 
 

He has us running away with the title.

[TD_LFC]

36 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

You can’t be hanging that at Klopp’s door.

 

He did assume more responsibility, but he was never DOF or chairman/president.

 

That his superiors left those roles vacant and then brought in interim choices while leaving a vacuum was a very poor choice on their part.

 

To them Liverpool is a 3b asset and they left the top roles at the club open while Ward became Ibiza Jorg.

 

Why not, it dereliction of duty on the part of Klopp and his team and FSG in not ensuring that work got done regardless 18 months ago or 12 months ago.

 

Klopp assumed more and more power, they didn't leave the roles vacant they ceded responsibility to Klopp and his team's ever increasing power (including the appointment of Schmadtke).

 

They should have taken some of that power back (which in turn would have been a huge drama) but maybe Klopp's inaction was convenient for them.

 

Either way, as uncomfortable as it is for some, Klopp shares some of the responsibility of this even if it is more convenient to lay it solely at the door of FSG (they take a huge chunk of blame too) and the new team who have been here 'officially' 6 months (less fair given the circumstances).

[Daisy]

Just let Edwards splurge the cash on modern day like for like balotelli and markovic signings 

[Kevin D]

8 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Why not, it dereliction of duty on the part of Klopp and his team and FSG in not ensuring that work got done regardless 18 months ago or 12 months ago.

 

Klopp assumed more and more power, they didn't leave the roles vacant they ceded responsibility to Klopp and his team's ever increasing power (including the appointment of Schmadtke).

 

They should have taken some of that power back (which in turn would have been a huge drama) but maybe Klopp's inaction was convenient for them.

 

Either way, as uncomfortable as it is for some, Klopp shares some of the responsibility of this even if it is more convenient to lay it at the door of FSG (fair) and the new team who have been here 'officially' 6 months (less fair given the circumstances).

As I said, it’s unfair to put it at Klopp’s door because what ever power he assumed was ceded to him by his superiors.

 

It is their job to say no. It is their job to say, okay you’ve excelled in this role but these other things are not your role and we are going to employ people to do them effectively.

 

I’ve no qualms about blaming Klopp for signing Keita, or Nunez or letting Shaquri go or playing our first XI too much, or not bringing Origi on against Spurs in that 1-1 - these are things that are his job.

 

It’s not job to be both the manager of and the de facto president of a multi billion pound corporation.

[TD_LFC]

13 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

It’s not job to be both the manager of and the de facto president of a multi billion pound corporation.

 

He doesn't have to be, but if he's the one making footballing decisions (Including team building/planning) then who's remit is it to make decisions on who get's contracts and when?

 

He could have made the decision, handed the preliminary work to Schmadtke and got involved sporadically throughout or handed it off to Gordon/Hogan for the final agreement.

 

Nothing to suggest any of those things happened.

 

[Moo]

46 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

You can’t be hanging that at Klopp’s door.

 

He did assume more responsibility, but he was never DOF or chairman/president.

 

That his superiors left those roles vacant and then brought in interim choices while leaving a vacuum was a very poor choice on their part.

 

To them Liverpool is a 3b asset and they left the top roles at the club open while Ward became Ibiza Jorg.

 

I was about to reply that it's just to dilute criticism of FSG, but it's laid bare two posts later.

As if Klopp had any direct involvement in contracts other than to say who he really wanted to stay, or perhaps not stay as the case may be.

They owners were being cheap complacent bastards as ever.

[Moo]

4 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

He doesn't have to be, but if he's the one making footballing decisions Including team building) then who's remit is it to make decisions on who get's contracts and when?

 

Who, yes. Are you suggesting Klopp might not have wanted Trent, Mo and Virgil to stay?

When, no. That's a purely financial decision.

[Kevin D]

3 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

He doesn't have to be, but if he's the one making footballing decisions (Including team building/planning) then who's remit is it to make decisions on who get's contracts and when?

 

 

Well, whose remit was it two years before? And the year before that?

 

[TD_LFC]

1 minute ago, Moo said:

Who, yes. Are you suggesting Klopp might not have wanted Trent, Mo and Virgil to stay?

When, no. That's a purely financial decision.

 

I've been pretty clear in what I think happened, it doesn't involve Klopp not wanting them to stay (and I've never suggested so) it does involve him not separating his role as coach from his role as the decision maker for the first team.

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[Code]

1 hour ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Klopp, Ljinders and Schmadtke should have been working on the three of them two summers ago. If you assume the role of defacto GM/SD you have to be able to separate that from your managerial role and you can't go into it thinking 'I'm having doubts over my future so it wouldn't be fair to make them commit theirs'.

 

Salah signed a new contract two summers ago.

 

[TD_LFC]

12 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

Well, whose remit was it two years before? And the year before that?

 

 

The standard/preference is to start negotiating new deals 18 months/2 years before the end of a contract (especially for players where you're looking at long deals)

 

Trent, Van Dijk and Salah all signed deals within the period you mention no?

[TD_LFC]

6 minutes ago, Code said:

Salah signed a new contract two summers ago.

 

 

And it was being negotiated months before that (he rejected a formal offer in December 21)

 

Talks over his extension should have started last December, there's an argument for leaving it later when a player get's in to his 30's but given the impending upheaval the club knew was coming they should have been well on the way.

[Moo]

9 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

I've been pretty clear in what I think happened, it doesn't involve Klopp not wanting them to stay (and I've never suggested so) it does involve him not separating his role as coach from his role as the decision maker for the first team.

'

 

You said it was Klopp's remit to decide who gets a contract as if there was some doubt he might have wanted these three players to stay.

[TD_LFC]

9 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

You said it was Klopp's remit to decide who gets a contract as if there was some doubt he might have wanted these three players to stay.

 

I think he wanted them to stay but given questions over his own future didn't feel comfortable in pushing for/negotiating new deals and then leaving months after they signed (or when deals were close).

 

You can take that step back when you have a sporting director tasked with decisions on contracts, but when you've amassed that much power and taken on those responsibilities, with a pseudo-sporting director brought in to do the leg work on the decisions you make, you don't have that luxury and need to separate your responsibilities to the club from responsibility you feel to the people (players).

 

Once his decision to leave was made public then contracts negotiations for his biggest players were effectively frozen because few top agents are going to negotiate the future of their players when the future direction of the club is uncertain.