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Michael Edwards Return Confirmed


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4 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

Also bringing in Pedro Marques from Benfica as director of football development. Makes sense, Benfica are the kings of buy low, sell high. 

 

Pedro Marques was a presenter at the very first OptaPro Analytics forum 10 years ago. He was very impressive.

 

I was also a presenter at that forum! The subject of my presentation... Big chances!

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15 minutes ago, The Woolster said:

 

Pedro Marques was a presenter at the very first OptaPro Analytics forum 10 years ago. He was very impressive.

 

I was also a presenter at that forum! The subject of my presentation... Big chances!

 

https://www.soccermetrics.net/conferences-and-symposia/a-look-back-at-the-optapro-analytics-forum

 

  • Usefulness of subjective data.  A lot of researchers are wary of subjective data because of the lack of standard processes in collecting those metrics.  But there were a couple of presentations that made use of subjective data which demonstrated that they were valuable in illuminating areas of player and team performance.  David Hastie made a great point that there is indeed a lot of value in subjective data if one goes about collecting it the right way.  There are perhaps one or two conditionals too many in that previous sentence, but he does make a good point.  Ben Woolcock used Opta’s Big Chances statistic — a metric that has some resistance even at Opta headquarters! — to demonstrate the effectiveness of teams in converting chances that were lightly defended versus those that were closely guarded.  I expected not to like the presentation but at the end I thought that the application of that metric was quite clever.

 

 

Aw shucks....

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Harry Squatter said:

Does this mean we will be buying players from Argentinos Juniors and Once Caldas for 200 grand and selling them to Chelsea for £110m 2 seasons later like Benfica do?.

 

Those stands will be paid off in no time. 

 

The Portugese club FSG end up buying might.

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13 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

The Portugese club FSG end up buying might.

 

I wonder if they go for one of the clubs 777 own as they be going on the cheap soon

Vasco da Gama in Brazil

 

Red Star F.C. in France, might be difficult local MP is trying to get laws in place against 3rd party ownership

 

Standard Liège in Belgium, i remember a few years back it was supposed to be easy to get visa there for footballers. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Lee909 said:

 

I wonder if they go for one of the clubs 777 own as they be going on the cheap soon

Vasco da Gama in Brazil

 

Red Star F.C. in France, might be difficult local MP is trying to get laws in place against 3rd party ownership

 

Standard Liège in Belgium, i remember a few years back it was supposed to be easy to get visa there for footballers.

 

With Marques and Ward I think all things point to Portugal (maybe France) and you'd have to overcome that lived skepticism of MCO's if you swoop in and 'save' a club that's just been savaged by 777, unless the deal is so ridiculous you can't not go for it.

 

With Vasco, or any club in South America, it's probably the club you look to purchase after you've established a European entry club, as cold as that sounds (and we have no idea if they plan on more than 2 clubs at this stage).

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1 hour ago, The Woolster said:

 

https://www.soccermetrics.net/conferences-and-symposia/a-look-back-at-the-optapro-analytics-forum

 

  • Usefulness of subjective data.  A lot of researchers are wary of subjective data because of the lack of standard processes in collecting those metrics.  But there were a couple of presentations that made use of subjective data which demonstrated that they were valuable in illuminating areas of player and team performance.  David Hastie made a great point that there is indeed a lot of value in subjective data if one goes about collecting it the right way.  There are perhaps one or two conditionals too many in that previous sentence, but he does make a good point.  Ben Woolcock used Opta’s Big Chances statistic — a metric that has some resistance even at Opta headquarters! — to demonstrate the effectiveness of teams in converting chances that were lightly defended versus those that were closely guarded.  I expected not to like the presentation but at the end I thought that the application of that metric was quite clever.

 

 

Aw shucks....

 

 

 

Heh heh wool cock!

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6 hours ago, El Rojo said:

 


Time will tell.

 

 

Slot seems a good guy and players speak glowingly about his coaching. The big concern for me is how our players will react to him.

 

Will some of them see themselves as superior given what they and he have already achieved?

 

And will his role as ‘just’ coach diminish his authority with them, if he’s just seen as some kind of middle-manager?

 

Hopefully not to both.

 

A big trophy next season would be great for all concerned. No pressure, Arne!

 

Having a lot of suits above Slot means he just has to take care of coaching the team instead of taking care of a bunch of other things he is surely less good at.

 

The problem is, these managers have egos and they start wanting to do more after a certain time. But it's best the more narrow they are, especially a guy like Slot. There's no chance a guy from the Eredivisie can manage the club, no chance. Coach the team, though? Sure.

 

We saw it with Klopp, when he had a bunch of people above him, we built our best team and won the big cups. When he became the top guy at the club, it wasn't shit or anything but it was obviously messier and less good. We didn't know if the players we were buying was because Ljinders and Matos started watching certain leagues on tv or what.

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3 hours ago, The Woolster said:

 

Pedro Marques was a presenter at the very first OptaPro Analytics forum 10 years ago. He was very impressive.

 

I was also a presenter at that forum! The subject of my presentation... Big chances!

 

I remember the conversations after that forum online in various places. I didn't attend but it felt like the beginning of something really significant, like you could feel the sea change that was underway.

I mostly remember that some of the presentations were the stimulus for conversations that eventually led to significant improvement on all the versions of xThreat that were germinating at the time. What I wouldn't give for an hour of really honest conversation about what the proprietary versions of those models are like now with someone like Ian Graham or Pedro himself!

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10 hours ago, The Woolster said:

 

https://www.soccermetrics.net/conferences-and-symposia/a-look-back-at-the-optapro-analytics-forum

 

  • Usefulness of subjective data.  A lot of researchers are wary of subjective data because of the lack of standard processes in collecting those metrics.  But there were a couple of presentations that made use of subjective data which demonstrated that they were valuable in illuminating areas of player and team performance.  David Hastie made a great point that there is indeed a lot of value in subjective data if one goes about collecting it the right way.  There are perhaps one or two conditionals too many in that previous sentence, but he does make a good point.  Ben Woolcock used Opta’s Big Chances statistic — a metric that has some resistance even at Opta headquarters! — to demonstrate the effectiveness of teams in converting chances that were lightly defended versus those that were closely guarded.  I expected not to like the presentation but at the end I thought that the application of that metric was quite clever.

 

 

Aw shucks....

 

 

 


Hope you’re going to start posting more often again, mate. 

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8 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Having a lot of suits above Slot means he just has to take care of coaching the team instead of taking care of a bunch of other things he is surely less good at.

 

 

"As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.”

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I said a couple of months ago that putting a solid structure in place was more important than who we get in as a manager. A structire starting with the C-level and the whole organization required to run a 300 million business, but not least of course the sporting side of things including a sporting director, data science, nutrition, fitness, medical department etc.

 

The right manager is vital, dont get me wrong, but in modern football the club will go backwards without a competent organization throughout.

 

One for the shitness of modern football in my view, but here we are.

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2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Is most of the structure they've put in mostly in mind for the purchase of their second club, more than likely a Portuguese one. 

 

Yeah, this isn't a Bayern Munich situation where they have 15 people sitting above the manager all fighting for their bit of the pie.

 

Hughes/Woodfine will be day to day at Liverpool, Ward/Marques will lead on the new club.

 

The main crossover seems to be that Ward will oversee the player development pathway type stuff across all clubs (he was previously the loan development manager) once that's established.

 

Everyone then reports to Edwards.

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16 hours ago, lifetime fan said:

Any of them going to take responsibility for Balotelli? 


Does it matter? 
 

Obviously a complete turd of a transfer, I suspect it was more Edwards / analysts (under valued etc)…. It was 10 years ago, the way tools used to collect data and is then interpreted has vastly improved in that period. 
 

We’ve not signed many bums since. 

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38 minutes ago, LFC 6 Times said:

Fucking markovic, Balotelli and Lambert. Whose fucking idea were they? 


Lambert was Rodgers.

 

Suspect Balotelli & Makovic were Edwards & Co.

 

Ultimately, 10 years on, does it matter anymore? 

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On 10/05/2024 at 22:48, The Woolster said:

 

Pedro Marques was a presenter at the very first OptaPro Analytics forum 10 years ago. He was very impressive.

 

I was also a presenter at that forum! The subject of my presentation... Big chances!

Can he explain the inexplicable missed chances of late?

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On 12/05/2024 at 09:12, TD_LFC said:

 

Yeah, this isn't a Bayern Munich situation where they have 15 people sitting above the manager all fighting for their bit of the pie.

 

Hughes/Woodfine will be day to day at Liverpool, Ward/Marques will lead on the new club.

 

The main crossover seems to be that Ward will oversee the player development pathway type stuff across all clubs (he was previously the loan development manager) once that's established.

 

Everyone then reports to Edwards.

What is meant by ‘’Player Development’ Seriously - what does it entail? Is it 1:1 coaching? If it is, isn’t that the job of the manager/head coach? What can anyone do, for example to develop a player not to miss, regularly; from 2 yards. Does it include sports psychology? Not trying to be a smart arse, just trying to understand what happens [before I consign this to ‘The Shitness of Modern Football]. Thanks all

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4 minutes ago, Le Duan said:

What is meant by ‘’Player Development’ Seriously - what does it entail? Is it 1:1 coaching? If it is, isn’t that the job of the manager/head coach? What can anyone do, for example to develop a player not to miss, regularly; from 2 yards. Does it include sports psychology? Not trying to be a smart arse, just trying to understand what happens [before I consign this to ‘The Shitness of Modern Football]. Thanks all


https://www.premierleague.com/news/3991780

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