Michael Edwards Return Confirmed

[3 Stacks]

4 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Arne's got his work cut out.

He'll literally have no work other than to coach the team, there's about 8 suits above him.

[El Rojo]

32 minutes ago, Elite said:

The boys are back in town.

Friday night they’ll be dressed to kill,

Down at Dino’s Bar and Grill,

Drink will flow and blood will spill,

And if the boys wanna whip their laptops out and run the numbers on left-footed attacking talent with above average final third involvements you better let ‘em

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, 3 Stacks said:

He'll literally have no work other than to coach the team, there's about 8 suits above him.

Which is part of the problem. 

[Kevin D]

They’ll all be briefing against each other by November.

[JohnnyH]

It’s becoming painfully clear that Klopp was the problem. He was the one holding us back.  Yes, he may have delivered, the FA Cup, League Cup, Club World Cup, Charity Shield, Super Cup, Premier League and European Cup and been a kick of a ball away from another 2 league titles and 2 European cups, and had the kind solidarity socialist mindset and leadership that made us hugely admire him as a man as well as a football manager, but aside from that, Klopp was clearly the problem. 

[3 Stacks]

9 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Which is part of the problem. 

That a coach has to do less? You know why Klopp is quitting right?

[El Rojo]

4 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

They’ll all be briefing against each other by November.

It’ll be like the final scene of Reservoir Dogs with each of them on the phone to Bascombe or Joyce instead of holding a gun. 

[Scott_M]

[El Rojo]

16 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Which is part of the problem. 

 

7 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

That a coach has to do less? You know why Klopp is quitting right?

Time will tell.

 

 

Slot seems a good guy and players speak glowingly about his coaching. The big concern for me is how our players will react to him.

 

Will some of them see themselves as superior given what they and he have already achieved?

 

And will his role as ‘just’ coach diminish his authority with them, if he’s just seen as some kind of middle-manager?

 

Hopefully not to both.

 

A big trophy next season would be great for all concerned. No pressure, Arne!

 

[SasaS]

[El Rojo]

Just now, SasaS said:

Personally, this thread is my pre-season for the carnage of the Summer Transfer thread. 

[VladimirIlyich]

29 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

That a coach has to do less? You know why Klopp is quitting right?

I know he is quitting but don't care why. Good luck to the fella.

[Lee909]

58 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

It’s becoming painfully clear that Klopp was the problem. He was the one holding us back.  Yes, he may have delivered, the FA Cup, League Cup, Club World Cup, Charity Shield, Super Cup, Premier League and European Cup and been a kick of a ball away from another 2 league titles and 2 European cups, and had the kind solidarity socialist mindset and leadership that made us hugely admire him as a man as well as a football manager, but aside from that, Klopp was clearly the problem. 

 

 

[Denny Crane]

Fair play to Edwards and Ward getting a payrise and blackmailing the owners with the threat of joining Manchester United and Chelsea.

[Mudface]

1 hour ago, JohnnyH said:

It’s becoming painfully clear that Klopp was the problem. He was the one holding us back.  Yes, he may have delivered, the FA Cup, League Cup, Club World Cup, Charity Shield, Super Cup, Premier League and European Cup and been a kick of a ball away from another 2 league titles and 2 European cups, and had the kind solidarity socialist mindset and leadership that made us hugely admire him as a man as well as a football manager, but aside from that, Klopp was clearly the problem. 

 

Yoko, they called him.

[The Woolster]

On 16/04/2024 at 20:02, Mook said:

 

My point had nothing to do with Nunez.

 

What constitutes a 'big chance' is subjective, regardless of who is playing or whether they score.

 

Subjective stats can be useful, if they add useful information that is not given by the basic location or event stats. 

 

Back in the day, when expected goals was in its infancy, I had a basic shots model, and it was fairly decent at predicting what would happen the following season, but when I added big chances as a factor, it made it significantly more predictive, therefore, it added value.

 

What big chances shouldn't be used for, and they almost exclusively are used for in the media, is the rate they have coverted at. Too much noise and very small samples.

[Anubis]

Woolster returns at the same time Edwards and Ward return. Make of that what you will…

[Salou]

Nerds are important but they don't work if you don't have a good enough manager/coach that puts it together on the pitch. 

[VladimirIlyich]

2 minutes ago, Salou said:

Nerds are important but they don't work if you don't have a good enough manager/coach that puts it together on the pitch. 

And a good enough manager and fewer nerds is better than lots of nerds plus an average manager. Which our last two appointments have shown.

[Red_or_Dead]

A timely return for @The Woolster as we'll need his 'getting to fourth' thread in the upcoming seasons!

 

 

[TD_LFC]

3 hours ago, El Rojo said:

 

And will his role as ‘just’ coach diminish his authority with them, if he’s just seen as some kind of middle-manager?

 

 

He's 'just' a coach in the same way Klopp was in the structure when he first started or how the vast majority of coaches in the world are.

 

I wonder if we'd stayed within that structure would Klopp have had more energy and more time to do the things he actually enjoys, and we'd have got a few more years out of him.

[Reckoner]

15 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

He's 'just' a coach in the same way Klopp was in the structure when he first started or how the vast majority of coaches in the world are.

 

I wonder if we'd stayed within that structure would Klopp have had more energy and more time to do the things he actually enjoys, and we'd have got a few more years out of him.

The impression I got was Klopp was either unwilling to or impossible to work with under that structure after a while. I love him but he was undoubtedly difficult to work with. The extra work load took its toll of course.

[The Woolster]

On 17/04/2024 at 02:11, Ne Moe Imya said:

No serious stats person takes "big chances" or its derivatives seriously. As noted above, it's basically purely subjective.

A few years ago there was a paper out there that showed that, when measured objectively by defenders' positions, a chance was far more likely to be scored as a "big chance" when it actually went in (since the reviewers who are making the determination have seen the result before they determine whether a chance was "big" or not). Since then, I haven't seen it referenced by anyone in a serious fashion.

 

Ouch...

 

I don't think big chances are referenced much nowadays, apart from their as mentioned useless conversation rates, because expected goals are now ubiquitous. However, I would say that any decent xG model should have big chances as a qualifier, so they are there in the background, but they'll just be a small part of that xG.

 

I can't remember if I read that paper or not, but my guess is that their examples were around the margins of what would be considered a big chance, and that is where outcome bias can creep in, but when I last checked, and admittedly that was about 10 years, big chance conversion rate was about 37%, and if a goal being scored was the biggest factor in a chance being designated as a big chance, I would expect the conversion rate to be above 50%. And I say chance there and not shot, as about 5% of big chances did not result in a shot, let alone a goal (Again 10 years ago).

[razor]

4 hours ago, SasaS said:

What next, Buvač?

 

I hear Pako has taken a room at the Holiday Inn.  It's on.

[The Woolster]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

Woolster returns at the same time Edwards and Ward return. Make of that what you will…

 

On 12/03/2024 at 21:21, The Woolster said:

 

This just might be the dream signing that gets me excited about football again and brings me back...

 

Innit