Summer 2024 Transfer Thread

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Some of his defending is awful. But you can say that about most players in the team. And plenty called vvd not arsed and that's not true either. I think Trent's biggest problem is defending doesn't come naturally to him and he's not got the art (or perhaps understanding) that sometimes you've just got to make things hard or get in the way. We're going to have to wait and see how he slot uses him, because as a team we've been a mess defensively for 2 years, which happens to be the same 2 years people have mostly criticised Trent's defending. 

He has not been getting the cover has he. It is also unfair to deride the right sided cb in that system basically playing two positions with no cover either.

[3 Stacks]

Just now, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

He has not been getting the cover has he. It is also unfair to deride the right sided cb in that system basically playing two positions with no cover either.

We defend with like 3 players. Sometimes, it's fine, sometimes you have like 7 players who are exposed and look awful.

 

We'll see if there's any change in that with new coaches. I don't think the Trent thing will change.

 

[Barrington Womble]

5 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

As currently constituted, we probably won't find a balance. Again, it's like the attack discussion. People take turns liking and disliking the players based on their form but ultimately there aren't 3 of them good enough to do what we need.

 

We're going to have to see what slot does. Hopefully there'll be some budget for a defender and midfielder to replace Matip and thiago. The types of players we get to replace them could bring some squad balance. The forward line, I just don't know - and I'm assuming the set up will be different under slot. Only really when we see how that operates and how he expects us to play without the ball, will we get a real understanding of what needs to be adding. 

 

I've said before, but there's very few players in the squad who don't fall into both categories of 1. Finding a.reason to keep them and 2. Finding a reason to sell them. An argument can be made for pretty much all of them to go, except Macca, alisson, vvd, quansah & Elliot. And there's an argument to keep pretty much all of them except matip and thiago. 

[TheHowieLama]

Never heard of a ball regain - fbref/opta don't seem to track that. 

It certainly can't be possession won - would be strange if it was ball recoveries as well.

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

2 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

We defend with like 3 players. Sometimes, it's fine, sometimes you have like 7 players who are exposed and look awful.

 

We'll see if there's any change in that with new coaches. I don't think the Trent thing will change.

 

As you say mate we will have to wait and see, I checked the way Slot likes to play and it seems to offer more cover and more defenders.

[Barrington Womble]

6 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

He has not been getting the cover has he. It is also unfair to deride the right sided cb in that system basically playing two positions with no cover either.

There's absolutely no cover. And to be honest when you look at the players advanced of right back, there doesn't seem much of an argument to have the hybrid there. But none of that matters for me now. Just get a win on Sunday to send klopp off and see what the new manager makes of it all. 

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Never heard of a ball regain - fbref/opta don't seem to track that. 

It certainly can't be possession won - would be strange if it was ball recoveries as well.

 

Dunno, it was just flagged last night. Carragher and Neville asked the presenter did he put Trent in his team for his attacking and he said also for his defensive and pulled this stat. They didn't show it on the screen, just talked about it. 

[TheHowieLama]

sounds like it was made up shite.

 

Mac Allister does lead the league in "Counterpressing Actions"

[Smell The Glove]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

sounds like it was made up shite.

 

Bound to be if it's positive.

[TheHowieLama]

ha haa haa - I know right.

 

You have to make them up for him this season. 

[Lee909]

4 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

I don’t think playing inverted is necessarily a bad thing. In theory Klopp (and Trent) should be able to vary coming inside or going outside depending on opposition, circumstance, and it should give us more flexible ways of attacking.

Problem is Trent has largely given up playing any sort of defence wherever he plays, and Mo doesn’t have the legs to work as hard any more. So that side of the pitch is bollocksed. 

 

 

 

Agree mostly but I think it's fucked up our attacking shape. We have no width really either as we have a slower Mo isolated wide right or a even slower Elliot. It worked OK when Szoboszlai was playing well as he offered some pace and power when he drifted wide

[Megadrive Man]

Tosin Adarabioyo being strongly linked with Newcastle and United. Doesn't sound like we're in for him though. 

[Scott_M]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

Yeah, I agree with that. I think Dom might not be the pussy he's looked since his injury. He did look strong and up for the fight early on. Gravenberch seems to lack balanced, so he can't use his size. And Curtis uses the ball well and presses well, but he's not a fighter - but that's back to the balance thing for me. They don't all have to be tough workers, but you need some of that. 

I agree the balance isn’t right.

 

Its easy to forget Szoboszlai, Gravenberch, Jones & Elliott, despite seemingly being about for years, are all young players as well.

 

They are also somewhat learning in the job - Szoboszlai, Jones & Elliott are more or less repurposed wingers.

 

I don’t think the press has been right for the majority of the season. From Newcastle at home to the March break, it was better but not our best. I realise that Hendo, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Milner & Lallana were all more experienced players than the current crop and subsequently spent hours & hours & hours over the years on the training ground getting it right, this current crop have had an injury hit 8/9 months.

 

I genuinely don’t think there is a lot for Slot to sort. From what I’ve read on him, the feverish press is likely to return next season & if we have to start our attacks from deeper, more measured possession (resting with the ball?) before quick forward play.

 

I think everybody is aligned, as long as there are no unexpected curve balls, where we need improve.

 

IMO, the biggest improve we could make is being more aggressive. I don’t mean kicking the shit out of players, I mean more aggressive defending (be tighter, get to the ball first), more aggressive press (more of a unit, dont give it away cheaply, win our physical battles, swarm over sides and force mistakes) and more aggressive scoring goals (take more of them, we make enough).

 

It reads like a lot, I don’t think it is. Hopefully a new voice brings new enthusiasm. 

[Lee909]

12 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

Tosin Adarabioyo being strongly linked with Newcastle and United. Doesn't sound like we're in for him though. 

 

 

Good, he's fucking shit. His passing is awful

 

[Scott_M]

Sorry lads, got some bad news…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

…sounds like Adrian wants to leave. 

 

[Barrington Womble]

4 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

Sorry lads, got some bad news…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

…sounds like Adrian wants to leave. 

 

He's only 37? I thought he was that before he joined! 

[3 Stacks]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

I agree the balance isn’t right.

 

Its easy to forget Szoboszlai, Gravenberch, Jones & Elliott, despite seemingly being about for years, are all young players as well.

 

They are also somewhat learning in the job - Szoboszlai, Jones & Elliott are more or less repurposed wingers.

 

I don’t think the press has been right for the majority of the season. From Newcastle at home to the March break, it was better but not our best. I realise that Hendo, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Milner & Lallana were all more experienced players than the current crop and subsequently spent hours & hours & hours over the years on the training ground getting it right, this current crop have had an injury hit 8/9 months.

 

I genuinely don’t think there is a lot for Slot to sort. From what I’ve read on him, the feverish press is likely to return next season & if we have to start our attacks from deeper, more measured possession (resting with the ball?) before quick forward play.

 

I think everybody is aligned, as long as there are no unexpected curve balls, where we need improve.

 

IMO, the biggest improve we could make is being more aggressive. I don’t mean kicking the shit out of players, I mean more aggressive defending (be tighter, get to the ball first), more aggressive press (more of a unit, dont give it away cheaply, win our physical battles, swarm over sides and force mistakes) and more aggressive scoring goals (take more of them, we make enough).

 

It reads like a lot, I don’t think it is. Hopefully a new voice brings new enthusiasm. 

That's for sure. We had no centre backs for half a season in 20-21 and we'll have had more clean sheets that season than this one. Only conceded one less goal this season as well.

 

The structure has either rarely been right this season or it's been hanging on by a thread. 

[Scott_M]

9 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

That's for sure. We had no centre backs for half a season in 20-21 and we'll have had more clean sheets that season than this one. Only conceded one less goal this season as well.

 

The structure has either rarely been right this season or it's been hanging on by a thread. 

Considering we conceded 7 at Villa that season, it’s not a ringing endorsement of this season.

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Considering we conceded 7 at Villa that season, it’s not a ringing endorsement of this season.

To be fair we were doing our best to challenge that last night. 

[Lee909]

Is it to much to buy a cloning machine and have this team at its peak for next season

 

Alisson

 

Robbo

Virgil

Matip

Alexander-Arnold

 

Alonso

Mascherano

 

Salah

Gerrard

Mane

 

Torres

[George Costanza]

52 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

Is it to much to buy a cloning machine and have this team at its peak for next season

 

Alisson

 

Robbo

Virgil

Matip

Alexander-Arnold

 

Alonso

Mascherano

 

Salah

Gerrard

Mane

 

Torres

 

you missed out Suarez

[Red Phoenix]

I'd have Agger over Matip. Suarez and Torres can rotate every few games, gives us a stronger bench with one of them there.

 

edit : Coutinho on the subs bench too.

[Megadrive Man]

I'd clone Thiago 38 times, might be the best chance of getting 38 league games out of him.

[an tha]

At number 1 is Carragher, At number 2 is Carragher, At number 3 is Carragher.....

 

Or maybe not.

[The wanderer]

19 minutes ago, an tha said:

At number 1 is Carragher, At number 2 is Carragher, At number 3 is Carragher.....

 

Or maybe not.

Nah , no knobhead pundits