The 2024 General Election Thread

[Jairzinho]

50 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Chef’s kiss. 
 

 

I'm guessing someone has already replied with the photo of his flying adventures.

[Jack the Sipper]

1 hour ago, lifetime fan said:

The simplest solution is enacting a law that requires a GE if the governing party changes its leader under any circumstances other than death. 

 

If that had been the case over the past 14 years we'd have 4 dead Tory leaders.

 

Bring it on!

[Fowlers God]

2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

ahem

 

Cheese Thread

Titty City

Pr*n List

 

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Tags!!!!

 

Guessing our illustrious leader is hiding in a Fridge. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rushies tash said:

 

I usually agree with most stuff you write mate, but not this. We don't have presidents in this country, thank fuck. The leader is elected from the party which is elected to government. That sounds fairly democratic. They have to (or at least they should) follow the mandate that is given to them. Hopefully, when Labour are elected, the behaviour and responsibilities of elected officials will be enshrined in law to curb governments (like the one in recent history) riding roughshod over unwritten conventions - such as sticking to manifesto promises. Besides, we also have an upper chamber that should act as a balance. Granted, that is something that should have better governance - to stop it being loaded with peers sympathetic to the government of the day.

 

Edit: I've also been a strong advocate of PR, again to water down the two party, flip flop nature of our democracy. A broader range of views and concensus would be better than the system we have now.

The basic model of most functioning democracies is an Executive that proposes laws; a Legislature (usually with two chambers) that scrutinises, amends and passes or rejects those laws; and a Judiciary that interprets the law.

 

Our Executive (Prime Minister and Cabinet) is unelected, as is one house of the Legislature.  The other house is elected, but the degree to which MPs can do their job (of providing checks and balances to Executive power) is compromised by a system of patronage, whereby the PM gets to use Ministerial posts and peerages as a reward for loyalty.  And then, just to add an extra democratic cherry on top, all laws are subject to approval of the Monarch.

 

The reason we have shit politicians is (like the USA) our system was never designed to be democratic.  

 

I'd like a directly elected Prime Minister (and, maybe, Deputy); a house full of MPs elected more-or-less as at present (although I would prefer each constituency's MP to be elected by some sort of transferrable vote system), who are - with very few exceptions - barred from taking second jobs, especially ministerial jobs; a second house elected by PR; and the Judiciary more or less as it is.  Rules around election spending, funding, party political broadcasts, etc, could stay the same.  That would be much more democratic than we have now, and politicians would have to work more for their constituents, and less for their party donors.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Fowlers God said:

 

 

Guessing our illustrious leader is letting his locks flow on a gold course 

.

[Rushies tash]

11 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The basic model of most functioning democracies is an Executive that proposes laws; a Legislature (usually with two chambers) that scrutinises, amends and passes or rejects those laws; and a Judiciary that interprets the law.

 

Our Executive (Prime Minister and Cabinet) is unelected, as is one house of the Legislature.  The other house is elected, but the degree to which MPs can do their job (of providing checks and balances to Executive power) is compromised by a system of patronage, whereby the PM gets to use Ministerial posts and peerages as a reward for loyalty.  And then, just to add an extra democratic cherry on top, all laws are subject to approval of the Monarch.

 

The reason we have shit politicians is (like the USA) our system was never designed to be democratic.  

 

I'd like a directly elected Prime Minister (and, maybe, Deputy); a house full of MPs elected more-or-less as at present (although I would prefer each constituency's MP to be elected by some sort of transferrable vote system), who are - with very few exceptions - barred from taking second jobs, especially ministerial jobs; a second house elected by PR; and the Judiciary more or less as it is.  Rules around election spending, funding, party political broadcasts, etc, could stay the same.  That would be much more democratic than we have now, and politicians would have to work more for their constituents, and less for their party donors.

 

I agree with needing to tighten up our processes, absolutely, particularly around second jobs and lobbying, which is way too open to abuse.

[Arniepie]

I'd like to say words fail me,but they really don't 

[Rushies tash]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

I'd like to say words fail me,but they really don't 

 

I'm impressed with 54% if I'm honest with you. There's hope yet.

[Arniepie]

8 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

 

I'm impressed with 54% if I'm honest with you. There's hope yet.

Do you want your human rights removed?

 

I don't know

[Bruce Spanner]

This D-Day flit is going to cause a right shit storm for The Imp.

 

That and a selection argument internally about candidates and the recent Yougov poll which put Reform on 18%, same as the Tories.

 

Gonna be a long week for Sunak.

[RJ Fan club]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

This D-Day flit is going to cause a right shit storm for The Imp.

 

That and a selection argument internally about candidates and the recent Yougov poll which put Reform on 18%, same as the Tories.

 

Gonna be a long week for Sunak.

The new Hester story with wider spread racism directed at Asian groups should go well too

[Anubis]

5 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

This D-Day flit is going to cause a right shit storm for The Imp.

 

That and a selection argument internally about candidates and the recent Yougov poll which put Reform on 18%, same as the Tories.

 

Gonna be a long week for Sunak.

What’s he done?

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Anubis said:

What’s he done?

Skipped the big international ceremony, where all the major world leaders are, including Starmer, to come back to Blighty for a photo op campaigning.

 

Snubbing the war dead, on D-Day?

 

He’s fucked.

[lifetime fan]

55 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The basic model of most functioning democracies is an Executive that proposes laws; a Legislature (usually with two chambers) that scrutinises, amends and passes or rejects those laws; and a Judiciary that interprets the law.

 

Our Executive (Prime Minister and Cabinet) is unelected, as is one house of the Legislature.  The other house is elected, but the degree to which MPs can do their job (of providing checks and balances to Executive power) is compromised by a system of patronage, whereby the PM gets to use Ministerial posts and peerages as a reward for loyalty.  And then, just to add an extra democratic cherry on top, all laws are subject to approval of the Monarch.

 

The reason we have shit politicians is (like the USA) our system was never designed to be democratic.  

 

I'd like a directly elected Prime Minister (and, maybe, Deputy); a house full of MPs elected more-or-less as at present (although I would prefer each constituency's MP to be elected by some sort of transferrable vote system), who are - with very few exceptions - barred from taking second jobs, especially ministerial jobs; a second house elected by PR; and the Judiciary more or less as it is.  Rules around election spending, funding, party political broadcasts, etc, could stay the same.  That would be much more democratic than we have now, and politicians would have to work more for their constituents, and less for their party donors.

No. 
 

What you have is a type of PR system which also allows for specific MP’s elected from certain geographical areas to be held to account for that ‘constituency’. 
 

You also lower the voting age to 16, scrap the lords and begin with starting to roll out a system of all peers being stood down over a period of say2 years. 
 

The second chamber as well as the HoC is PR elected, there are no longer hereditary peers and voters are able to actually vote with their conscience. 
 

This also goes hand in hand with bringing in Leveson 2. 

[Bruce Spanner]

8 minutes ago, RJ Fan club said:

The new Hester story with wider spread racism directed at Asian groups should go well too

That’s bad on ‘our’ side and won’t really cut through on the other, but the previous stuff leads to internecine blue on blue.

 

Lovely stuff.

[Anubis]

3 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Skipped the big international ceremony, where all the major world leaders are, including Starmer, to come back to Blighty for a photo op campaigning.

 

Snubbing the war dead, on D-Day?

 

He’s fucked.

 

In the middle of an election campaign?! Either Farage entering his orbit has sent him insane, or it’s a calculated move to ensure he burns the Tory party down before fucking off to California.

[Rushies tash]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Skipped the big international ceremony, where all the major world leaders are, including Starmer, to come back to Blighty for a photo op campaigning.

 

Snubbing the war dead, on D-Day?

 

He’s fucked.

 

Did he? Fucking hell, after the shit Corbyn got for 'wearing a scruffy coat', if he gets away with this, the entirety of the media in this country can get fucked.

[Bruce Spanner]

16 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

In the middle of an election campaign?! Either Farage entering his orbit has sent him insane, or it’s a calculated move to ensure he burns the Tory party down before fucking off to California.

Farage has already called him out on it, which is obviously getting traction.

 

I’ve said many times I think there’s a mole advising the campaign, has to be that or performance art.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

 

Did he? Fucking hell, after the shit Corbyn got for 'wearing a scruffy coat', if he gets away with this, the entirety of the media in this country can get fucked.

The country already hates him, at this point it’ll become self fulfilling and spiral.

[Gnasher]

Party filled with right wing racists. 

 

 

https://x.com/DrFrancesRyan/status/1798415900288430206?t=v3ONkFAXruKMGcuWgXZRgg&s=19

 

 

https://x.com/CarolineLucas/status/1798715894295920972?t=oXzuP7OaVhd42DRJl2FCtA&s=19

 

 

[lifetime fan]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Party filled with right wing racists. 

 

 

https://x.com/DrFrancesRyan/status/1798415900288430206?t=v3ONkFAXruKMGcuWgXZRgg&s=19

 

 

https://x.com/CarolineLucas/status/1798715894295920972?t=oXzuP7OaVhd42DRJl2FCtA&s=19

 

 

Fuck off bot. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rushies tash said:

 

I'm impressed with 54% if I'm honest with you. There's hope yet.

Despite the relentless lies and propaganda, people who support the ECHR outnumber those who want to leave by more than 2 to 1.  That's a good sign.

[A Red]

9 hours ago, Champ said:

I can’t even get my head round your question.

 

I don’t understand why any reasonable adult would direct personal abuse towards anyone else or group of people.

 

 I’m reasonably politically engaged and I’m interested in the General Election so I’m drawn to the thread. It’s annoying and depressing to find it taken over by grown men  insulting each other

No comment on the personal insults I receive from him, mainly as a result of my pointing out his sectarianism? Seems to me that I'm held to higher standards 

[Rushies tash]

40 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Skipped the big international ceremony, where all the major world leaders are, including Starmer, to come back to Blighty for a photo op campaigning.

 

Snubbing the war dead, on D-Day?

 

He’s fucked.

 

He was there according to the bbc:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn44ed7yelzo

 

"UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer attended the same ceremony as the King, in what may be one of few remaining anniversaries that D-Day veterans will attend."

 

Edit: It appears he fucked off after this - no mention of that in the link though, which is fucking shameful.

[Bruce Spanner]

5 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

 

He was there according to the bbc:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn44ed7yelzo

 

"UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer attended the same ceremony as the King, in what may be one of few remaining anniversaries that D-Day veterans will attend."

 

Edit: It appears he fucked off after this - no mention of that in the link though, which is fucking shameful.

 

Yeah, he did the early, British organised one, then bolted for the big international one.

 

It'll pick up soon and questions will start being asked.

[Rushies tash]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Yeah, he did the early, British organised one, then bolted for the big international one.

 

It'll pick up soon and questions will start being asked.

 

I fear that people will be as outraged as the right wing press dictates.