Gooners - They Have To Go

[Lee909]

3 minutes ago, razor said:

 

1989?

 

 

No losing the 87 league cup final really affected him

[VladimirIlyich]

15 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Exactly.  Just once I'd love to see a card come out in the first 15 minutes for timewasting.

If the score was 0-0 and nobody was gaining an advantage how would you justify that? 

[Mook]

4 hours ago, razor said:

 

1989?

 

[Mudface]

5 minutes ago, Mook said:

 

 

[Pete]

This was the first game that Rush scored first and yet we lost I think?

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

This was the first game that Rush scored first and yet we lost I think?

 

Yep- https://www.lfchistory.net/SeasonArchive/Game/1582

 

https://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/1970

 

Quote

Ian Rush scores and Liverpool still lose

'It was incredible the record lasted that long'

I remember the game perfectly. My first spell at Liverpool was just coming to an end, I already knew I'd be joining Juventus at the end of the season, and I was desperate to win something in my final season at the club. We knew that the League Cup was going to be our best chance - we were top of the league at the time but we'd lost our last couple of matches and Everton were breathing down our necks with games in hand, and they ended up winning it.

We played pretty well as I remember. Charlie Nicholas claimed Arsenal's two goals but they were soft, rubbish goals. The second took a massive deflection to beat Bruce Grobelaar. We'd been really confident coming into the final, not because Arsenal weren't a good team but because we knew we had the ability to beat them. What was good about us was our teamwork - we didn't play as individuals. My goal proved that. Steve McMahon could easily have had a shot himself but he squared for me to sidefoot past David Seaman. But Arsenal were a decent side, they just kept plugging away.

I'd been at Liverpool for seven years and it was incredible to go that long without losing when I'd scored. In the previous year's FA Cup final against Everton they'd been 1-0 up at half-time and I equalised with about half an hour to go. Speaking to their players after the game some of them said they knew they were going to lose when I scored. We ended up winning 3-1. This time I'd put us ahead and Charlie equalised just before half-time.

Nobody thought we were destined to win just because I'd scored, but we didn't panic. The atmosphere in the dressing-room at half-time was quite relaxed, it was just go out there and do the same again. We felt that if we could up our performance by 10% we'd always win the game. Unfortunately it didn't go for us that time.

I remember walking around after we had lost. The supporters were disappointed. We'd tried our best but sometimes you need a bit of luck to win the thing. With my record going and my move to Juventus set up it felt like the end of an era. But maybe it was fate. After seven years and all those games and goals we'd never been beaten when I scored, but the following week we went to Norwich and lost 2-1 and I scored then too.

- Ian Rush

Copyright - The Guardian

 

[razor]

I was there.  And I was there in 1989.

 

Me.  I was there.  Anyone...?  Hello...?  Anyone?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

If the score was 0-0 and nobody was gaining an advantage how would you justify that? 

If you're game plan is more about stopping your opponent from playing, rather than playing any football yourself (as has been the entire career plan of a fair few English managers) then you are gaining an advantage, irrespective of the score.

 

In any case, the FA rules don't require you to gain an advantage in order for it to be bookable.

 

(Also, I should have said earlier that I want early yellow cards with the clear understanding that a second one will follow if the timewasting persists.)

[Mook]

42 minutes ago, razor said:

I was there.  And I was there in 1989.

 

Me.  I was there.  Anyone...?  Hello...?  Anyone?

 

I've put a paper hat in the post this morning.

 

In all seriousness, pretty traumatic stuff.

[redinblack]

6 hours ago, razor said:

 

1989?

Maybe he means the league cup final

[KMD7]

Perry fucking Groves 

[redinblack]

Just now, KMD7 said:

Perry fucking Groves 

And Barry Motherfucking Davies going "it's Charlie!!" When the Mullet scored

[Rushies tash]

15 hours ago, El Rojo said:

With the amount they’ve spent on players, they’d want to be winning an actual trophy soon. 

 

The easy ride Arteta gets over this pisses me off, as you say, especially with the money he has spent. Arteta has been there 5 years and won the FA cup in his first year. For fuck's sake, Klopp won just about every trophy possible, but still had snidey remarks about how he should have won more.

[VladimirIlyich]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If you're game plan is more about stopping your opponent from playing, rather than playing any football yourself (as has been the entire career plan of a fair few English managers) then you are gaining an advantage, irrespective of the score.

 

In any case, the FA rules don't require you to gain an advantage in order for it to be bookable.

 

(Also, I should have said earlier that I want early yellow cards with the clear understanding that a second one will follow if the timewasting persists.)

I don't believe you can justify it that early without it being a repeatable pattern of behaviour. The ref also has the option of adding on time in first half added time too. A referee cannot base bookings on what he/she 'thinks' a team is doing. They have to show it repeatedly.

[Wezza]

1 hour ago, KMD7 said:

Perry fucking Groves 

I was at Highbury many years ago (it might have been a cup game) when young Perry was stretchered off. There wasn’t much space between the pitch and stand and the stretcher chaps took the corner a bit sharp depositing their cargo directly in front of the away supporters, marvellous stuff. 

[diamondjoe]

Need Usher back to his Arsenal hating mode. Can't have the respect for them on the pod. 

 

[deiseach]

1 hour ago, Rushies tash said:

 

The easy ride Arteta gets over this pisses me off, as you say, especially with the money he has spent. Arteta has been there 5 years and won the FA cup in his first year. For fuck's sake, Klopp won just about every trophy possible, but still had snidey remarks about how he should have won more.

I get your irritation with the way people spoke about Klopp in comparison to Arteta. But given the horseshoe-in-their-gloves opponent that both managers have gone toe-to-toe with in the ring, do you think Arteta has failed? An extra League Cup would draw him level with Ten Jarg in terms of trophies won in their tenure, and that can't be the yardstick.

[Jimmy Hills Chin]

4 hours ago, razor said:

I was there.  And I was there in 1989.

 

Me.  I was there.  Anyone...?  Hello...?  Anyone?

Me too, but I reckon if was your fault

[Rushies tash]

10 minutes ago, deiseach said:

I get your irritation with the way people spoke about Klopp in comparison to Arteta. But given the horseshoe-in-their-gloves opponent that both managers have gone toe-to-toe with in the ring, do you think Arteta has failed? An extra League Cup would draw him level with Ten Jarg in terms of trophies won in their tenure, and that can't be the yardstick.

 

I agree with this point as well - that's why I said snidey. The people making these remarks know full well that City are facing charges, but choose to ignore that as if the past 8 or 9 years have been a level playing field. Still, fuck Arteta and fuck Arsenal. And anyone else who isn't us.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I don't believe you can justify it that early without it being a repeatable pattern of behaviour. The ref also has the option of adding on time in first half added time too. A referee cannot base bookings on what he/she 'thinks' a team is doing. They have to show it repeatedly.

It's obvious, sometimes, though.  There are plenty of times I've seen the referee within the first 10 or 15 minutes pointing to his wrist, to let the goalie know he's wise to his timewasting.  But the keeper keeps doing it and nothing happens.  If the ref has already had to do that, the next time the keeper is timewasting, he should have a word - "Don't take the piss or I'll get the cards out". And then he needs to be prepared to follow that up with as many yellows as it takes.

 

tl;dr

Referees should enforce the rules of the game.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Arteta has done a great job even if its a massively cunty cunt team he's built. He hasn't earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath as Klopp. Klopp arrived here after winning 2 titles with essentially an underdog against Bayern Munich among other trophies. With FSG tight fisted fucks he won a premier league and got to 3 European cup finals, winning one of them and he did all this without being a massive cunt.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

15 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Arteta has done a great job even if its a massively cunty cunt team he's built. He hasn't earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath as Klopp. Klopp arrived here after winning 2 titles with essentially an underdog against Bayern Munich among other trophies. With FSG tight fisted fucks he won a premier league and got to 3 European cup finals, winning one of them and he did all this without being a massive cunt.

3 consecutive seasons of spending £140m, £150m and £200m has helped.

[No2]

32 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's obvious, sometimes, though.  There are plenty of times I've seen the referee within the first 10 or 15 minutes pointing to his wrist, to let the goalie know he's wise to his timewasting.  But the keeper keeps doing it and nothing happens.  If the ref has already had to do that, the next time the keeper is timewasting, he should have a word - "Don't take the piss or I'll get the cards out". And then he needs to be prepared to follow that up with as many yellows as it takes.

 

tl;dr

Referees should enforce the rules of the game.

When I'm reffing I give both teams their timewasting warning in the warm-up. Why should anyone get a freebie? First time is a yellow, no messing about.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

43 minutes ago, No2 said:

When I'm reffing I give both teams their timewasting warning in the warm-up. Why should anyone get a freebie? First time is a yellow, no messing about.

Out of rep.

[Trumo]

It's PGMOL so I'd expect them to be totally clueless, but there are some things that occur with the same teams/players in every game that they never seem to be aware of.

 

With Arsenal, it's the player going down feigning injury, allowing Arteta to call his players over for a quick drinks break and coaching session. It's Saka hitting the deck with a season career-ending injury 10 times per game before bouncing back up. It's Havertz trying to be Fellaini. It's Gabriel and White with their MMA holds at set-pieces. It's Odegaard trying to referee the game himself. It's Arteta standing well outside his technical area while the 4th official does fuck all.

 

One other thing that happens before every Arsenal game is a key player for the opposition dropping out with injury. Just this weekend, De Bruyne got injured days before and had to miss the game. Rodri got injured during the game.

 

When we won the league, City had issues with their centre backs and had to drop Fernandinho back there which meant their key tactical fouling weapon wasn't where they needed him to be. That issue didn't just arise immediately prior to them playing us or during our game against them. Their struggle to overcome this setback coupled with our squad being in the form of their life meant that we were able to run away with the league that year.