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Gooners - They Have To Go


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First off the distances are too big. It's about percentages. A corner comes in the box, what's the furthest a header can go? If the keeper catches it, what are the percentages his kick, through a crowded penalty box will hit. Not to mention you can always do a short corner. I can't believe this is even a discussion to be honest.

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I would say it’s in Ian Graham’s book about the %’s of scoring from set pieces is easier to quantify than %’s of scoring from open play, so more & more clubs will likely go down the Upmarket Stoke route…

 

However, I got mocked for referencing that book in the summer by those who obviously knew better, so I won’t. 

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12 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

I would say it’s in Ian Graham’s book about the %’s of scoring from set pieces is easier to quantify than %’s of scoring from open play, so more & more clubs will likely go down the Upmarket Stoke route…

 

However, I got mocked for referencing that book in the summer by those who obviously knew better, so I won’t. 

Set pieces are huge right now, there is no doubt about it. This discussion is on how do we stop Arsenal's massive advantage on them. Or any teams for that matter. I don't believe leaving people up the pitch will work, but others do. I can be swayed but putting a player off getting as close as you can to them and leaving players up the pitch Harry Enfield style hasn't done it yet.

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39 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

Put it this way… Gabriel is already very good at losing his blocker / marker, why would you make it even easier for him to get a free run at the ball?

 

But would it be a free run at the ball? Right now Arsenal are actually using the extra numbers in defence to their advantage, as no one can stay man-for-man as the mass of bodies acts as a screen.

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15 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

 

But would it be a free run at the ball? Right now Arsenal are actually using the extra numbers in defence to their advantage, as no one can stay man-for-man as the mass of bodies acts as a screen.


Hmmm… they are certainly using the other players runs to cause significant confusion and cause havoc. 
 

Most of their headers come from relatively close in, which means with all the bodies, defenders are scrambling and keepers can’t impose themselves. 
 

Maybe by taking players out the box would make it easier to defend against?

 

Given how dominant they’ve been, personally I don’t think it’s the answer, however, the way clubs are defending at the moment isn’t working either. 

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1 hour ago, Scott_M said:


If it creates too many bodies to get a clear defensive action on the ball, Shirley it also creates too many bodies to create an attacking action on the ball. 
 

Set pieces still need to be incredibly accurate for a goal to be scored from it - pin point delivery, perfect runs, good finishes etc… I’d have said loading the box with defensive players makes it more difficult for all those events to come together.
 

In theory, it’s significantly easier to defend a set piece than it is to score from one. 

 

I do agree to an extent on having players up the field, however, we don’t really leave players up the pitch and I bet we break and score more from other sides set pieces than we concede. 

Wondering if its so the shape is relatively compact so that if the furthest man loses the ball at least the next line can press to win it back vs an easy ball right back into our box. Maybe it gives more options too for one twos on the break vs it hitting the forward high up and they have no options in front and end up losing it.

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20 minutes ago, Scott_M said:


Hmmm… they are certainly using the other players runs to cause significant confusion and cause havoc. 
 

Most of their headers come from relatively close in, which means with all the bodies, defenders are scrambling and keepers can’t impose themselves. 
 

Maybe by taking players out the box would make it easier to defend against?

 

Given how dominant they’ve been, personally I don’t think it’s the answer, however, the way clubs are defending at the moment isn’t working either. 

 

Yeah, I've no idea what the answer is, but you've got to figure someone will come up with something. That's why I like kicking around odd ideas like this.

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Thanks to the analysis units at all the big clubs this kind of over-hyped 'magic' soon gets worked out and countered. Engerland were raved about for about three or four months, a couple of years ago, for their 'innovative' routines - that soon fizzled out. Everything Arsenal do, except failing, gets hyped up into a large ball of gas like one of their round and shouty YouTubers. Take away the psychological anxiety all this coverage has encouraged, get the counter-tactics settled, and the figutes will soon look much less impressive.

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2 hours ago, Smell The Glove said:

Set pieces are huge right now, there is no doubt about it. This discussion is on how do we stop Arsenal's massive advantage on them. Or any teams for that matter. I don't believe leaving people up the pitch will work, but others do. I can be swayed but putting a player off getting as close as you can to them and leaving players up the pitch Harry Enfield style hasn't done it yet.

The discussion wasn't really about how do we stop them. We have some dominant defenders and attackers that are strong in the air. Nobody has suggested we try something mad, it's more for the teams with huge disadvantages aerially. Arsenal have built a team that has 7 outfield players bigger than their keeper. That's unheard of at the higher end of the league. Man Utd with their flaky keeper, 2 slight fullbacks and 4.2" centre back are never getting out of Arsenal without conceding from a set pieces, if its inevitable, then why not try something mad?

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4 minutes ago, No2 said:

The discussion wasn't really about how do we stop them. We have some dominant defenders and attackers that are strong in the air. Nobody has suggested we try something mad, it's more for the teams with huge disadvantages aerially. Arsenal have built a team that has 7 outfield players bigger than their keeper. That's unheard of at the higher end of the league. Man Utd with their flaky keeper, 2 slight fullbacks and 4.2" centre back are never getting out of Arsenal without conceding from a set pieces, if its inevitable, then why not try something mad?

They let Moyes take over from Ferguson. You can't say madder than that.

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12 minutes ago, No2 said:

The discussion wasn't really about how do we stop them. We have some dominant defenders and attackers that are strong in the air. Nobody has suggested we try something mad, it's more for the teams with huge disadvantages aerially. Arsenal have built a team that has 7 outfield players bigger than their keeper. That's unheard of at the higher end of the league. Man Utd with their flaky keeper, 2 slight fullbacks and 4.2" centre back are never getting out of Arsenal without conceding from a set pieces, if its inevitable, then why not try something mad?

Shut the fuck up

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4 hours ago, Smell The Glove said:

Over the years I've worked with or known loads of Arsenal fans, and Chelsea unfortunately. From what I remember of them, this Stoke tag will probably be hurting them more than losing titles.

 

oh they hate it. i have been saying they play dycheball for ages. i reckon i would get a calmer reaction if i told them i was fucking their wife. what is just as comical, is they can't see it. they genuinely think they are the best footballing side in the country. 

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9 hours ago, Code said:


Thats almost as shocking as the Nunez stance. 

 

I see you using stats a lot to ridicule the "Palmer best player in the league over the last 18 months" shout. You're putting Mo's numbers up against Palmer to make out it's a wild take. 

 

Ok then, by your reasoning.....

 

Last season:

 

Odegaard 8 goals, 10 assists.

 

Palmer 22 goals, 11 assists (from 5 less starts too).

 

This season:

 

Odegaard 1 goal, 2 assists.

 

Palmer 11 goals, 6 assists (from 7 more starts)

 

So from 2 more games, Palmer has 33 goals and 17 assists compared to 9 goals and 12 assists.

 

Now go get your fuckin' shinebox.

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