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Gooners - They Have To Go


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13 hours ago, Smell The Glove said:

It's fucking madness and why no team in the history of football has ever done it. Leave 4 people as far up the pitch as you want. I will leave 4 near the corner taker so you have to run back. What the fuck is going on here?

They used to only have two defenders in teams at one time and then the game became more defensive as the years progressed.

Nobody will leave an imbalance against highly skilled opponents in top level professional football. The goal you concede from it will likely cost you the match/cup/relegation/your job and so on. This maverick type of thinking is what should be happening in kids football though rather than trying to copy adults.

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2 hours ago, Scott_M said:

I saw something on their XG outside of set pieces yesterday, they are something like 13th in the league for XG from open play.

 

They clearly are relying too much on them.

 

I’ll be interested to see how they do against The Ev on Saturday. I expect Arsenal to win, I’m not sure they’ll be able to bully The Ev at set pieces like they do other clubs.

 

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18 hours ago, dave u said:

My dad has said for about 30 years that he doesn't understand why teams don't leave four men on the halfway line, because teams would have to keep five back to cover them and the box would be less crowded.

 

In Arsenal's case, this might actually be the way to go. It's the numbers in the box, all running around, pushing, pulling, blocking, that causes the problem rather than them being amazing in the air. 

 

It would be fascinating to see what Arsenal did in their next game if they got a corner and the opposition just left four players up the field. 

 

I agree with your dad, and I try and tell teammates to do the same on Sunday mornings.  Leave your two winger up the pitch, one stood on the chalk of each side of the pitch, a yard inside their own half, and put 1 lad inside the centre circle. 

 

The other thing i'd try for corners is to put someone as close as possible to the corner taker, and just try and put him off. 

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1 minute ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

 

I agree with your dad, and I try and tell teammates to do the same on Sunday mornings.  Leave your two winger up the pitch, one stood on the chalk of each side of the pitch, a yard inside their own half, and put 1 lad inside the centre circle. 

 

The other thing i'd try for corners is to put someone as close as possible to the corner taker, and just try and put him off. 

So 10 yards away.

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8 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

 

I agree with your dad, and I try and tell teammates to do the same on Sunday mornings.  Leave your two winger up the pitch, one stood on the chalk of each side of the pitch, a yard inside their own half, and put 1 lad inside the centre circle. 


Wouldn’t putting more players up the pitch make it easier for Gabriel to attack the ball? Teams can’t block him with full boxes as it is. 

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28 minutes ago, Scott_M said:


Wouldn’t putting more players up the pitch make it easier for Gabriel to attack the ball? Teams can’t block him with full boxes as it is. 

You don't need everybody back in box IMO - it just creates too many bodies and adds to the chaos and makes it harder to be organised and move effectively.

 

I've always advocated leaving a couple of men up - it instantly occupies defenders and gives you an out.

 

I don't understand why teams don't do it.

 

Lad i used to go the match with 20 years ago used to scream for Owen to be left upfield on corners - his pace would occupy two defenders and if we could hit him from a clearance he'd be away....

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6 minutes ago, an tha said:

You don't need everybody back in box IMO - it just creates too many bodies and adds to the chaos and makes it harder to be organised and move effectively.

 

I've always advocated leaving a couple of men up - it instantly occupies defenders and gives you an out.

 

I don't understand why teams don't do it.

 

Lad i used to go the match with 20 yeara ago used to scream for Owen to be left upfield on corners - his pace would occupy two defenders and if we could hit him from a clearance he'd be away....


If it creates too many bodies to get a clear defensive action on the ball, Shirley it also creates too many bodies to create an attacking action on the ball. 
 

Set pieces still need to be incredibly accurate for a goal to be scored from it - pin point delivery, perfect runs, good finishes etc… I’d have said loading the box with defensive players makes it more difficult for all those events to come together.
 

In theory, it’s significantly easier to defend a set piece than it is to score from one. 

 

I do agree to an extent on having players up the field, however, we don’t really leave players up the pitch and I bet we break and score more from other sides set pieces than we concede. 

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4 minutes ago, Scott_M said:


If it creates too many bodies to get a clear defensive action on the ball, Shirley it also creates too many bodies to create an attacking action on the ball. 
 

Set pieces still need to be incredibly accurate for a goal to be scored from it - pin point delivery, perfect runs, good finishes etc… I’d have said loading the box with defensive players makes it more difficult for all those events to come together.
 

In theory, it’s significantly easier to defend a set piece than it is to score from one. 

 

I do agree to an extent on having players up the field, however, we don’t really leave players up the pitch and I bet we break and score more from other sides set pieces than we concede. 

It makes it a bit more of a lottery IMO when box is absolutely packed. The sheer numbers adds to the chaos teams like Arsenal want to create.

 

Keepers often find it hard to come and claim through a mass of bodies especially when got blockers being used too. I wonder if keepers would come and catch more/clear more if there was more space for them...?

 

We are actually pretty decent and yeah we do break and create/score a fair bit - i'm just talking generally in game.

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Just now, DaveT said:

Weren't Barcelona leaving three up front at one time? One of them, of course,being Messi , who you wouldn't want defending a corner anyway.

 

Barca probably did it because they weren’t the most physically imposing of sides. Busquets, Pique & Puyol would attack it. You could hardly say Valdes was the most commanding of keepers. Taking players away to make Messi, Villa, Pedri, Neymar etc likely had the other sides scared to death what would happen if they didn’t score! 
 

Chelsea did under Mourinho.  He was probably extremely confident Terry, Carvalho or Cech would deal with it,  considering they hardly used to concede, he was likely right. 

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3 minutes ago, an tha said:

It makes it a bit more of a lottery IMO when box is absolutely packed. The sheer numbers adds to the chaos teams like Arsenal want to create

 

We are actually pretty decent and yeah we do break and create/score a fair bit - i'm just talking generally in game.


There is no right or wrong answer, IMO, I think making it a lottery makes it easier to defend against. If a defender gets to the ball first, they can clear it by putting it, virtually, anywhere. Several factors still need to go in attackers favour to score. 
 

Put it this way… Gabriel is already very good at losing his blocker / marker, why would you make it even easier for him to get a free run at the ball?

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