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Is Trent Really Worth It?


The Trent Problem   

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  1. 1. Is TAA worth building a team around?

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    • No
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53 minutes ago, No2 said:

Nobody said Bradley was better than Trent. You said they did and haven't backed it up.

So if somebody says they would prefer Bradley in the team over Trent or that Trent can happily go as we have Bradley, all of which was said, that doesn't count? That means their dislike for Trent goes so far as to replace him with an inferior player. Or their football knowledge is so shit that some temporary form means they prefer an inferior player to replace him forever. Neither is a good look.

 

If you prefer, I can change to some thick cunts want Bradley in the team ahead of Trent and don't care if Trent leaves even though they think Trent is a better player?

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11 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

You’ve had a downer on Trent for as long as you’ve posted on here you utter bellend. Pretty much everything in that post is bullshit, coloured by your hatred of the lad. 
 

Fact is, Trent is one of the most talented players ever brought through by our academy. A talent so good that one of our greatest ever managers picked him for every match he was available. A player who has broken multiple records for his position and made the PL team of the year on multiple occasions. A player with the passing ability of Gerrard, and has had the two primary pundits of the current era in the PL eulogising the lad for reinventing his position and being able to win games for his team from there, in other words a phenomenon. 
 

If Trent leaves I will be gutted. Firstly because I love watching him and understand he’s a wonderful player. Secondly, because despite him not really owing the club anything, he would be depriving us of the opportunity to collect a sizeable transfer fee for him. Thirdly, because I don’t think the club he’s most likely to sign for would really appreciate him. So the best thing all round is that he realises where his bread is buttered and stays where he’s loved (apart from by weirdo’s like you).


You seem a bit angry.  Why are you letting an opinion wind you up so much?  This is just a load of over emotional nonsense.  He fought it out with Gomez for the right back position under Klopp for a while before becoming first choice.  He left him out of a few big games after that as well.  He’s an exceptional passer of the ball and is one of the most two footed players we’ve ever had.  The rest of his game borders on amateur and is attitude more often than not absolutely stinks.

 

As often as he helped us with assists and goals he has absolutely let the side down with the other side of his game and it’s cost us in plenty of big games as Klopp just picked him regardless in the end.  We haven’t won the league or the champions league now for years despite having Klopp here and for me it predominantly comes down to his blind spot for this cunt.  When the chips were down in the last 3 years he hasn’t fancied it.

 

You can call the previous post bullshit but he absolutely does walk around like John Wayne as he heads over to take a corner or a throw regardless of the score line.  He has run his contract down and it’s clearly years in the making.  I think a lot will wake up to his personality and attitude after he walks out of the door.

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The title of the thread is no longer really the question. That is not going to happen - everyone realizes that now, the player included who has been chastened by the summer and now, by his own admission ( TBH I am surprised so little umbrage was taken at some of the Athletic quotes - really strange) buckling down and actually concentrating on doing his job and what he needs to do to be better at it. 

And he is - so now we can look at a contract for that player, who is performing his role well in a very good side. Ironically he has more value/bargaining power now than he did at the beginning of the summer imo.

The stuff about winning things etc is all bullshit, all of us know that. It is borderline disrespectful.

He may re-sign, he may want more money, he may prefer a situation where "winning stuff" is guaranteed (so yeah, "winning") or he may just be sick of Liverpool and want a change regardless of anything else - none of us know that.

His legacy will certainly be different if he leaves - all of us know that.

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People are becoming far too obsessed over the individual rather than the team. It's entirely possible the team can still flourish without Trent and somebody like Bradley there. The whole raison d'etre of our current success is the team being far better than it's individual parts. 

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7 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

I think he's exactly the sort of player who is worth debating about. When people say some are "mad" to talk about what he doesn't do well or whatever, that is what's crazy.

 

He is a phenomenal but flawed player, it is what it is.


Not necessarily. Agree that he’s been flawed for long spells over the past two years or so. That is definately down to his own performances mainly, but also to some degree caused by team structure and who plays in front of him. We’ve been leaving our right side way too open too many times.

 

That said I reckon his all round play was better in his first years in the team, meaning his defensive play was better. Same has been the case so far this season, he’s played really well, including the defensive part. Probably helped by some adjustments to tactics and structure.

 

 

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On 25/09/2024 at 22:28, KevieG said:

Was in Anfield Road hospitality on Saturday. Phil Neal was doing the meet and greet, most young lads didn't have a clue who he was. 8 titles and 4 european cups, 73 years of age and he's stuck doing that. Fairly lousy I thought.

I've met Neal a fair bit over the years and a few times in hospitality. I'd go as far as to say nobody knew who he was in that setting 20years ago (I was at a end of season game v city and we lost and Anelka and Fowler played against us) , which is unbelievable. I might be wrong, but I think he's our most decorated player. 

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23 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

People are becoming far too obsessed over the individual rather than the team. It's entirely possible the team can still flourish without Trent and somebody like Bradley there. The whole raison d'etre of our current success is the team being far better than it's individual parts. 

 

Exactamundo. 

 

Just like at times we flourished when Mo was out the side - including the cup final, no difference. The concept of team over individual appears to be lost on some.

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55 minutes ago, Binomial said:

 

Exactamundo. 

 

Just like at times we flourished when Mo was out the side - including the cup final, no difference. The concept of team over individual appears to be lost on some.

Does this theory extend to Virgil as well or just the players you're not keen on? Personally I prefer having the best players we can for each position over the long term.

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17 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

Does this theory extend to Virgil as well or just the players you're not keen on? Personally I prefer having the best players we can for each position over the long term.

If we lost Virgil and Alisson it would be disastrous,Trent less so because of his role and position. Every good team is dependent on it's spine and Alisson and VVD have been that spine for almost a decade. But ultimately economics play a big part too.

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1 hour ago, Smell The Glove said:

Does this theory extend to Virgil as well or just the players you're not keen on? Personally I prefer having the best players we can for each position over the long term.

It would extend to Virgil if there were a case to be made when we looked better without him, there wasn't......so no, which is why I also think of the 3, he's the one we have to tie down first. When Mo and Trent are in the team doing their thing, great.....but it's also great we've shown over a handful of games we can cope without them using the players we have in the squad.

 

You say this but in the same breathe dismiss the chance of signing one of the best young creative players in the same as unrealistic i.e said poster has to be out of his mind. Why should a club the magnitude of Liverpool not be in with a shout for someone like Musiala (or Wirtz)? I don't get it.

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6 minutes ago, Binomial said:

It would extend to Virgil if there were a case to be made when we looked better without him, there wasn't......so no, which is why I also think of the 3, he's the one we have to tie down.

So you think if we lost Mo and Trent for the season, it wouldn't be too big a deal?

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11 minutes ago, Binomial said:

 

 

You say this but in the same breathe dismiss the chance of signing one of the best young creative players in the same as unrealistic i.e said poster has to be out of his mind. Why should a club the magnitude of Liverpool not be in with a shout for someone like Musiala (or Wirtz)? I don't get it.

I used the words we can. Do you honestly think we can get Musiala from Bayern?

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9 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

So you think if we lost Mo and Trent for the season, it wouldn't be too big a deal?

 

 

Losing any 2 players for the season is a big deal as it would have a knock on effect with the other players but we would cope fine so long as their replacements in the squad didn't pick up an injury in that period too, just like we coped fine 4 years ago when we lost Matip, Gomez and Virgil for the season and that trio then were a much bigger loss than Mo and Trent would be to us now. I don't underestimate the quality we have in the squad, others might?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Binomial said:

 

 

Losing any 2 players for the season is a big deal as it would have a knock on effect with the other players but we would cope fine so long as their replacements in the squad didn't pick up an injury in that period too, just like we coped fine 4 years ago when we lost Matip, Gomez and Virgil for the season and that trio then were a much bigger loss than Mo and Trent would be to us now. I don't underestimate the quality we have in the squad, others might?

 

 

You seem to underestimate it as you constantly pick random world best players we should be sign.

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7 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

I used the words we can. Do you honestly think we can get Musiala from Bayern?

 

Yes I do. Contract up in 2026, believe he's stalling on a new deal. Why not? He can bring his mate Alphonso with him if he wants, no problemo.

 

Any player not named Mbappe, Haaland, Vini, Pedri or Bellingham I don't class as out of bounds.

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20 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

You seem to underestimate it as you constantly pick random world best players we should be sign.


Wanting a strong squad to become even stronger isn’t underestimating anything, in the same way Bayern, Madrid or City would call for similar caliber players to sign.

 

I understand the need to move the goalposts for arguments sake but did we or did we not cope fine in their absence last season?

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Binomial said:


Wanting a strong squad to become even stronger isn’t underestimating anything, in the same way Bayern, Madrid or City would call for similar caliber players to sign.

 

I understand the need to move the goalposts for arguments sake but did we or did we not cope fine in their absence last season?

 

 

Well we got knocked out of 2 cups without Trent but that's not my criteria for arguing the value of Trent and Salah over the season as that would be ridiculous.

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On 26/09/2024 at 09:28, KevieG said:

Was in Anfield Road hospitality on Saturday. Phil Neal was doing the meet and greet, most young lads didn't have a clue who he was. 8 titles and 4 european cups, 73 years of age and he's stuck doing that. Fairly lousy I thought.

 

Not having a pop at you, mate, but that's a strange thing to think.  It's almost like you're viewing him as a man down on his luck cadging for change.

 

Phil Neal doesn't live in a two-up, two-down, and I think it's brilliant that he is involved in the club.  He's not doing it for the cash.

 

On 26/09/2024 at 12:45, Vincent Vega said:

You’ve had a downer on Trent for as long as you’ve posted on here you utter bellend. Pretty much everything in that post is bullshit, coloured by your hatred of the lad. 
 

Fact is, Trent is one of the most talented players ever brought through by our academy. A talent so good that one of our greatest ever managers picked him for every match he was available. A player who has broken multiple records for his position and made the PL team of the year on multiple occasions. A player with the passing ability of Gerrard, and has had the two primary pundits of the current era in the PL eulogising the lad for reinventing his position and being able to win games for his team from there, in other words a phenomenon. 
 

If Trent leaves I will be gutted. Firstly because I love watching him and understand he’s a wonderful player. Secondly, because despite him not really owing the club anything, he would be depriving us of the opportunity to collect a sizeable transfer fee for him. Thirdly, because I don’t think the club he’s most likely to sign for would really appreciate him. So the best thing all round is that he realises where his bread is buttered and stays where he’s loved (apart from by weirdo’s like you).

 

I agree, VV, but I had to rep "walking around the pitch like John Wayne" because I agreed with it.  His "effortless" body language doesn't sit right with me because I don't think it looks good.  I like calm with a bit of urgency.

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6 hours ago, Binomial said:

It would extend to Virgil if there were a case to be made when we looked better without him, there wasn't......so no, which is why I also think of the 3, he's the one we have to tie down first. When Mo and Trent are in the team doing their thing, great.....but it's also great we've shown over a handful of games we can cope without them using the players we have in the squad.

 

You say this but in the same breathe dismiss the chance of signing one of the best young creative players in the same as unrealistic i.e said poster has to be out of his mind. Why should a club the magnitude of Liverpool not be in with a shout for someone like Musiala (or Wirtz)? I don't get it.


I do agree that Virgil is the most important of the three. I want all to stay and would be gutted if any of them leave but we would move on without mo and Trent. Virgil would be a drop off because he’s the best. 
Nooone has even bothered attacking him for 6 years because they know they can’t. Give him a new deal

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10 minutes ago, etho said:


I do agree that Virgil is the most important of the three. I want all to stay and would be gutted if any of them leave but we would move on without mo and Trent. Virgil would be a drop off because he’s the best. 
Nooone has even bothered attacking him for 6 years because they know they can’t. Give him a new deal

 

He's still the best CB in the world despite coming back from a season ending injury, that doesn't happen. That's what separates Virg from the rest and I'd be very extremely worried if we went into next season without him.

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20 hours ago, Binomial said:

 

Exactamundo. 

 

Just like at times we flourished when Mo was out the side - including the cup final, no difference. The concept of team over individual appears to be lost on some.

The front 3 were looking good.

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