Is Trent Really Worth It?

[Mook]

Trent always has a face like a smacked arse, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about tbh.

 

His general play was pretty amazing yesterday but he did let that winger go past him like he wasn't there in the first half, he can do better on those.

[3 Stacks]

22 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Thanks for your excellent diagnosis Dr Phibes. At least I still get real sex with a proper woman (occasionally) though. It's easier on the wrist.

So, along with being an insufferable presence on this forum, you're also a liar. Got it.

[Supremolad]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about his mardy face yesterday?  If his performance dipped, or he stopped putting in a shift in training or he went sniding to the media to undermine the boss, then I'd be bothered.  Until then, I'm not arsed.

Yep. I think there is an overreaction because it is Trent involved. Afterall, Quansah was hardly smiling and giggling on the bench when he got subbed off last week. And Mo was also stony faced when he was coming off yesterday. Footballers most often don't like coming off or not starting. Even the ever smiling Firmino had genuine anger at Klopp for not starting him enough.

 

I sense extra needle from many posters here when it comes to Trent. Like, how dare this Scouser start getting too big for his boots. You sense the spite in the title of this fucking thread. You sense the spite in many posts like "he thinks he is too good to defend". Neglecting the fact that maybe the previous way we played in the latter years of Klopp exposed Trent too much. It's no surprise he is looking good defensively under Slot now.

[AngryofTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Anyway, football...

 

I did enjoy one (unprecedented?) moment yesterday when he got his song sung for an impressive bit of defending.

Negged for posting about football on a football forum.

 

Stacksy is such a laughable gimp.

[Barrington Womble]

12 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

We may not be - I think the first step is hoping they make us a little tougher to play through.

 

Fair point. But we've a long season ahead and there's not really anyone behind those two who are going to be able to improve that aspect of the game, unless they suddenly transform who they are as footballers. 

 

4 hours ago, Curly said:

This is bang on for me.

 

If this type of personality can divide fans who are just observing from the outside in to this degree, imagine what sharing a changing room with the likes of him

would do. 
 

He has started the season well, but he is an entitled and arrogant gobshite as far as his footballer persona goes. Not talking about him as a man, as I couldn’t give a fuck what any of them are like away from the club.

 

If he played anywhere else, I reckon we would all agree that he’s not very likeable. 
 

Even aside from the petulance of getting subbed, he was dismissive to Bradley as he was coming on, and to Jota at the end. Bradley is a young lad looking to senior players for support, and he gets his vice-captain not wanting to even look at him as he swaps with him because his bottom lip is wobbling.

 

Saying we’d be fucked without him @Barrington Womble is massively detached from my thoughts on him too. He’s gifted for sure, but we’ve got a team full of talent and a manager who seemingly has the ability to build a team to his plan, so Trent is certainly not the be all and end all. Gifted yes, one man wrecking ball like Gerrard he is not

It's really not what Trent brings as full back why I think we'd be fucked. None of our midfielders have any ability on passing the ball in a creative way. Macca has some decent short passes in him, but I see nothing anywhere else. The skills Trent brings to this team make up for the deficiencies in our workman like midfield.

 

Honestly, I'm sure we can all see what football this manager wants to play, out of the 6 midfielders we have, only really Macca looks to have that talent on the ball. The rest all look like they are, lads bought for a completely different system. 

[Ronnie Whelan]

He is within his rights to leave if he wishes. I wouldn't think any less of him for that. Mates of mine have had their dreams stood on for not being good enough by both Liverpool and Everton. Clubs can't have it all their own way pulling the local lad loyalty card when it suits. I love this club and have done for a long time, but it's not run by a local charity, it's run by hard nosed businessmen from the US. Good luck to him trying to get the best deal possible and if he goes to Real playing at the biggest club in the world. 

 

What fucks me off is him acting the knobhead. Slot is a new manager and he's the vice captain. Show him respect. Show young Bradley respect. Show the fans respect. Stop being a twat.

[Smell The Glove]

4 minutes ago, Supremolad said:

Yep. I think there is an overreaction because it is Trent involved. Afterall, Quansah was hardly smiling and giggling on the bench when he got subbed off last week. And Mo was also stony faced when he was coming off yesterday. Footballers most often don't like coming off or not starting. Even the ever smiling Firmino had genuine anger at Klopp for not starting him enough.

 

I sense extra needle from many posters here when it comes to Trent. Like, how dare this Scouser start getting too big for his boots. You sense the spite in the title of this fucking thread. You sense the spite in many posts like "he thinks he is too good to defend". Neglecting the fact that maybe the previous way we played in the latter years of Klopp exposed Trent too much. It's no surprise he is looking good defensively under Slot now.

Good post. One area that Trent is most susceptible for is switching off, that comes down to application and there is no excuse for it at this stage of his career. The areas that Trent gets the most stick for are the areas which are the easiest to fix in football and some of those are way overblown like the too good to defend narrative. Early days but I think Slot himself and his system will benefit Trent but again, it's a 2 way street.

[YNWAViking]

Great player for sure. I see some defensive improvements this season, guessing because of Slot's love of meetings and tactics. Offensively he is a top player. 

 

Would love for him to pen a new contract, for his and the club's sake. Would be an absolute shithouse move to leave his boyhood club for nothing. Pitch forks in the streets etc. 

 

Having said that no one is bigger than the club. If he chooses to leave then we'll dust off and move on.

[El Dangerous]

1 hour ago, Reckoner said:

Anybody else suspect Slott is an authoritarian and is laying down the law to show who’s in charge, when he sees fit? Lots of new bosses do it, and it’s much needed in a new role.

I remember reading that he wasn’t afraid to ring in early changes at Feyenoord, not sure if that’s on a Mourinho level but it suggests he doesn’t have the patience of Kloppo, which if he manages to keep the players on board could be a good thing.

[Jose Jones]

24 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Fair point. But we've a long season ahead and there's not really anyone behind those two who are going to be able to improve that aspect of the game, unless they suddenly transform who they are as footballers. 

 

It's really not what Trent brings as full back why I think we'd be fucked. None of our midfielders have any ability on passing the ball in a creative way. Macca has some decent short passes in him, but I see nothing anywhere else. The skills Trent brings to this team make up for the deficiencies in our workman like midfield.

 

Honestly, I'm sure we can all see what football this manager wants to play, out of the 6 midfielders we have, only really Macca looks to have that talent on the ball. The rest all look like they are, lads bought for a completely different system. 

Yep, the “classic” Klopp midfield was Fab, Hendo, Gini, with Milner backing them up. Smart players who knew where to be and worked hard, but pressing and winning the ball back high up the pitch was mainly what Klopp wanted from the midfield, then there were easier passes through to the forwards.

He did obviously try to evolve and get a bit more passing in with Thiago, but he was never quite fit enough to fit.

We have looked pretty good at the quick attacks under Slot so far, but will probably need another passer or two for the slower controlled stuff to work properly.

[Barrington Womble]

24 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Yep, the “classic” Klopp midfield was Fab, Hendo, Gini, with Milner backing them up. Smart players who knew where to be and worked hard, but pressing and winning the ball back high up the pitch was mainly what Klopp wanted from the midfield, then there were easier passes through to the forwards.

He did obviously try to evolve and get a bit more passing in with Thiago, but he was never quite fit enough to fit.

We have looked pretty good at the quick attacks under Slot so far, but will probably need another passer or two for the slower controlled stuff to work properly.

 

Pretty much all of the good counters we have had and all the times we've created good possession near the opponents goal has been when midfielders have not been involved and bypassed - certainly in terms of getting from back to front. In fact I'd say our best football is when we're doing the things we were good at with klopp, getting back to front quickly. Which is no surprise, it is a squad built in his image. 

 

As most know on here, I was never thiago's biggest fan of his time here. I think he didn't suit how we played under klopp, I didn't think he tried to adapt at all (despite the stuff he came out with that klopp taught him to run) and we were trying to change to suit him and he couldn't get on the pitch and there was no "thiago lite" when he wasn't there - which I think you're alluding to in your post. I said to the lads at the match, ironically he'd have probably looked good in this team and you could imagine slot building a squad that when he didn't play, there was an inferior player, but could ensure we didn't need to change how we played when he wasn't there. The defenders spent so much time yesterday looking for passes into midfield and instead needed to choose passing to each other. 

 

I thought we needed 1 midfielder before the season started, partly for style and partly for numbers. I think after what I've seen so far we need 2 and we need to move one out. Endo is probably the easiest to move and least capable in slots system. We've played very poor sides so far and we've succeeded when we don't involve the midfield. I don't think that's how slot wants us to play. I'm not saying he doesn't want us to do the good counter attacking stuff or Trent on occasion hitting it long, but I think in the main, that's not how he sees us scoring goals. 

[Mark M]

I really want him to stay and sign an extension at the same time I'm already bored with the idea of him sulking on the bench and having Slot needing to go over to him to explain his decisions. 

Can really do without our Vice Captain behaving like a baby.

[Curly]

5 hours ago, Supremolad said:

I sense extra needle from many posters here when it comes to Trent. Like, how dare this Scouser start getting too big for his boots. You sense the spite in the title of this fucking thread. You sense the spite in many posts like "he thinks he is too good to defend". Neglecting the fact that maybe the previous way we played in the latter years of Klopp exposed Trent too much. It's no surprise he is looking good defensively under Slot now.

What are you talking about? There’s plenty of local fans who see the negative side of him. What a bizarre thing to say.

[Dapower]

Yeah disappointed he pulled that sort of shit yesterday just no need for it 

[AngryofTuebrook]

45 minutes ago, Curly said:

What are you talking about? There’s plenty of local fans who see the negative side of him. What a bizarre thing to say.

That's exactly the point he's making, isn't it?

[Curly]

41 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That's exactly the point he's making, isn't it?

That his own people don’t want to see a scouser do well?

 

Why would local fans say “look at this scouser getting too big for his boots”? Doesn’t make sense and it most certainly has nothing to do with any of the negative opinion of him.

[VladimirIlyich]

19 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

So, along with being an insufferable presence on this forum, you're also a liar. Got it.

I had no idea about your problems but it seems to manifest itself in your constant attention seeking and 'I'm always right' behaviour on here. I suggest you get out of your Mum's basement and get some fresh air before your winter starts again.

[AngryofTuebrook]

12 hours ago, Curly said:

That his own people don’t want to see a scouser do well?

 

Why would local fans say “look at this scouser getting too big for his boots”? Doesn’t make sense and it most certainly has nothing to do with any of the negative opinion of him.

There's a feeling (I don't know if there's any truth to it) that local players are held to different standards and come in for more flak.

[VladimirIlyich]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There's a feeling (I don't know if there's any truth to it) that local players are held to different standards and come in for more flak.

I think that often the opposite is true. If you show that effort and commitment on the field,Callaghan,Thompson,Gerrard,Carragher,then off field misdeeds are often overlooked. Trent has been forgiven a lot more than many.

[Barrington Womble]

22 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There's a feeling (I don't know if there's any truth to it) that local players are held to different standards and come in for more flak.

 

Personally I think it goes both ways. But I think there's a zero tolerance of local lads not giving a fuck or thinking they're above us, which is the main thing chucked at Trent. 

[JohnnyH]

One of the key factors under Klopp was the no-dickhead rule. A positive squad is very important. I really hope that doesn’t change in our signings philosophy or with the attitude of some of our current players. If it does, then get rid of them or don’t sign them. 

[Curly]

48 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There's a feeling (I don't know if there's any truth to it) that local players are held to different standards and come in for more flak.

The only time I personally see this, is when someone usually puts themself on some sort of parallel with them. Usually scals from my experience with the “Gerrard is a prick. Fucking shit himself when I seen him in town lad. I was better than him at 14” envy types.

 

There is also the familiarity breeds contempt thing, where we are all sometimes guiltily of not appreciating something as it’s similar to you. Plenty of instances of that, even in the wider apparent and old “if his name ended in inho we’d be raving about that”. Standard mind set stuff.

 

On the whole though, local people like to see local people do well. That’s a huge percentage in my experience. Look at the likes of Carra and Flanagan for that.

 

If local lads to get more flak, it’s like the dad who demands and expects more as he thinks you’re capable, in my opinion.

[Rushies tash]

Or it could just be that he was the only one sat there with a titty lip on him during and after the game. I dont think he's held to different standards - Mo was getting shit for doing the stink eye towards the bench a couple of seasons ago. If anything, Trent has been given alot more leeway because, if we're being honest, his general attitude and deneanour has stunk for a good while now (not all the time I should add, but enough to make it noticeable) and it's the fact that he is an incredible footballer that keeps most on side.

[No2]

7 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

Or it could just be that he was the only one sat there with a titty lip on him during and after the game. I dont think he's held to different standards - Mo was getting shit for doing the stink eye towards the bench a couple of seasons ago. If anything, Trent has been given alot more leeway because, if we're being honest, his general attitude and deneanour has stunk for a good while now (not all the time I should add, but enough to make it noticeable) and it's the fact that he is an incredible footballer that keeps most on side.

Easy to argue the opposite to that. There was a period of a couple of years where it appeared we were afraid to take Mo off. His attitude of wanting 90 minutes to fill his boots was lauded across the board.

 

The Trent stuff is much more interesting though because of the lad coming on. Are we trying to show him we have a replacement ready to go? It could have easily been Kostas for Robbo but we withdrew Trent again.

[Rushies tash]

1 minute ago, No2 said:

Easy to argue the opposite to that. There was a period of a couple of years where it appeared we were afraid to take Mo off. His attitude of wanting 90 minutes to fill his boots was lauded across the board.

 

The Trent stuff is much more interesting though because of the lad coming on. Are we trying to show him we have a replacement ready to go? It could have easily been Kostas for Robbo but we withdrew Trent again.

 

That's fair enough, but that was my point. Mo was getting shit on this forum for his attitude. Trent is now getting it for the same reason. It's not a local thing - if the attitude wasn't there, nobody would be saying anything.