Is Trent Really Worth It?

[Dav Eusher]

12 hours ago, Mil-ing Around said:

 

I'm not writing him off because he lost against Preston.

 

But him coming in and bringing Johnny fucking Hetinga as his number 2 is bloody worrying. It's B grade for B grade. How is a top player going to respect a shite player like him telling them what to do?

 

A proper manager would never take the job without buying players or bringing in his own backroom. Slot comes in, and they are still hiring staff while he's here. It's an absolute shit show. You think the players aren't looking at this and thinking what?

 

Slot is a Patsy, he's been brought in as a yes man. We tell you who is signing you train them. That's his role. Is that acceptable? No.

 

Fuck me he better be a good coach because everything is pointing towards this going wrong very quickly. He's up against it from day one. People will say, yeah but anyone after Klopp is up against it, but it didn't have to be handled this way. They've literally learnt nothing from seeing Fergie and Wenger leaving.

 

We need stability for 2 years, we need to keep our established players for 2 years. Mitigate the transition and rebuild the first 11 whilst having players around who know what it takes to win. Experience is priceless in football. It's so hard to build a winning mentality. We risk losing it all within 1 year. Why?

 

If we have a shit season and don't get top 4, we lose all those players. Slot is up against it, we have a rebuild with no champions league football with a manager no big players will sign for. Because they've never heard of him and he's already had a bad year.

 

I'm not expecting us to stay at the top, I enjoyed the Klopp ride, I knew once he goes we won't be as good anymore. I'm ok with that. I'm not greedy. But did they have to take such a massive risk in hiring Slot? No.

 

Throw money at Inzaghi, Spaletti, Gasperini, Tuchel, even De Zerbi would carry more weight with players with one year left. Those players need to see someone with gravitas, who's managed on the big stage to say, yeah I like this manager I can see what he is going to bring.

 

Instead they are looking around, googling who our next manager is. Then they see Johnny Hetinga rock up in a ford focus. Never mind let's go to the changing room, oh, it's the same players. Nobody new. Ok never mind, let's go out and train, great we've been sponsored by Rayban.

 

Yeah I'm gonna text my agent in the toilet. 

 

Don't think it's just Salah, Trent and Virgil either because people are mad if they think Alisson will stay. Huge risk the club has taken here. Literally a role of a dice and I think it could have been handled much better.

 

 

I wasn't saying you were writing him off because of the Preston defeat: I was saying, truthfully, that you're writing him off before he's even had a training session with the full squad.

 

The idea that players are going to be put off by Heitinga's playing record - because two Dutch titles and a World Cup final aren't as impressive as Lijnders' non-existent playing career - is just nuts.

 

Like I've already said, neither of us know what goes through players' minds, so we're both just guessing; but I think it's more likely that they'll want to play some matches under Slot before writing him off because he's not some internet flavour-of-the-month.

 

Odd that you're trying to compare it to Ferguson and Wenger leaving their clubs.  Ferguson left a dressing room full of ageing prima donnas and chose a shit successor; of course, the huge-egoed cunts were always going to pull the "show us your medals" routine with Moyes.  Wenger, on the other hand, hung around for a decade after his best years and left a squad that just wasn't good enough.  The two situations aren't remotely comparable to each other; I'm not sure how you're trying to make them analogous to what's happening at Liverpool now.

 

You're right that we need stability for a couple of years.  What everyone is saying about Slot (I've never watched his Feyenoord) is that he plays a similar style to Klopp.  So if his instructions to the players are "keep doing what you're good at", that would keep them happy and get decent results.  It would certainly be better than taking a gamble on someone - even a bigger name - trying to change everything.

 

Still, time will tell.  I'm not going to ring the death-knell of Liverpool Football Club before pre-season has properly started.

[Bobby Hundreds]

My biggest judgement of Slot will be around Christmas time. If we are still consistently conceding that hit us on the break long ball goal where our entire team is legging it back in a state of panic, that goal! if that's still happening then he sees and learns nothing and I turn my back on him and the idea of him. Learn lessons Slot and stop the rot!

[Skidfingers McGonical]

On 21/07/2024 at 16:57, Captain Turdseye said:

Wool. 

This.

 

Rainhill is on an equal level of total “Woolness” as Warrington, St Helens, Widnes, Leigh, and Whiston. 

Stig needs to make his mind up, he’s told us he’s been to about 10 different schools in and around Woolville over the years, and yet here he is as the biggest Scouser of us all.
 

Propaganda and lies that any political party would be proud of. 

 

[Barnesey]

3 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

My biggest judgement of Slot will be around Christmas time. If we are still consistently conceding that hit us on the break long ball goal where our entire team is legging it back in a state of panic, that goal! if that's still happening then he sees and learns nothing and I turn my back on him and the idea of him. Learn lessons Slot and stop the rot!

When did you turn your back on Klopp?

[VladimirIlyich]

9 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I wasn't saying you were writing him off because of the Preston defeat: I was saying, truthfully, that you're writing him off before he's even had a training session with the full squad.

 

The idea that players are going to be put off by Heitinga's playing record - because two Dutch titles and a World Cup final aren't as impressive as Lijnders' non-existent playing career - is just nuts.

 

Like I've already said, neither of us know what goes through players' minds, so we're both just guessing; but I think it's more likely that they'll want to play some matches under Slot before writing him off because he's not some internet flavour-of-the-month.

 

 

 

Still, time will tell.  I'm not going to ring the death-knell of Liverpool Football Club before pre-season has properly started.

You don't seem to understanding this internet thingy at all. You need to draw your battle lines during speculation and then as soon as he signs get into your bunker and defend that position at all costs

[Mil-ing Around]

9 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I wasn't saying you were writing him off because of the Preston defeat: I was saying, truthfully, that you're writing him off before he's even had a training session with the full squad.

 

The idea that players are going to be put off by Heitinga's playing record - because two Dutch titles and a World Cup final aren't as impressive as Lijnders' non-existent playing career - is just nuts.

 

Like I've already said, neither of us know what goes through players' minds, so we're both just guessing; but I think it's more likely that they'll want to play some matches under Slot before writing him off because he's not some internet flavour-of-the-month.

 

Odd that you're trying to compare it to Ferguson and Wenger leaving their clubs.  Ferguson left a dressing room full of ageing prima donnas and chose a shit successor; of course, the huge-egoed cunts were always going to pull the "show us your medals" routine with Moyes.  Wenger, on the other hand, hung around for a decade after his best years and left a squad that just wasn't good enough.  The two situations aren't remotely comparable to each other; I'm not sure how you're trying to make them analogous to what's happening at Liverpool now.

 

You're right that we need stability for a couple of years.  What everyone is saying about Slot (I've never watched his Feyenoord) is that he plays a similar style to Klopp.  So if his instructions to the players are "keep doing what you're good at", that would keep them happy and get decent results.  It would certainly be better than taking a gamble on someone - even a bigger name - trying to change everything.

 

Still, time will tell.  I'm not going to ring the death-knell of Liverpool Football Club before pre-season has properly started.

 

I think you're right, I have definitely written him off too soon. Obviously I'll support the guy and won't sit there with a titty lip if he loses a game just to be proven right. I'd rather be wrong and he's a great success. 

 

I think he has a lot against him though, and I find our situation worrying. No new players signed to give the dressing room a lift, with big players contracts expiring looming over us is a bad situation for a new manager.

 

I hope he ends up being a world class coach, because that's all the hope we have. I don't think we need to be in this situation, a dice roll, but that's not his fault.

 

I disagree about the Hetinga thing though. Footballers are fickle, I've been in many a changing room to see new players and managers walk in. Players make their mind up very quickly. If you haven't got the credentials you have to work hard to gain their trust, and equally you'll lose that faith almost in an instant. It's just how it is in team sports.

 

People talking about Lijnders or Ayestaran isnt valid at all. Both those guys had worldwide recognised elite managers in Rafa and Klopp in front of them. No player was going to have a second thought about the trainers when they had two managers like that above them.

 

A run of bad results or a poor season will see the players lose faith in Slot and before him Hetinga. When you've won at the highest level you ain't going to let a shit player and a manager from the Eredivisie tell you what's what. 

 

That's the point you need established players holding the changing room together. If we lose all of them, it'll go south very fast. That's why I keep saying we HAVE to keep them. It's so imperative to building a new team. People keep talking about them as players and what they contribute on the pitch, which is obviously right. But people don't also understand the value of having them in the building when times are tough.

 

Regarding Wenger and Fergie, I mentioned them because they are two huge figure heads who were at one club for years. Situation similar to ours. United allowed too many experienced stars to leave at once, aging or not, they should have kept longer to help smooth out a transition, keep core values, hold the dressing room together and instilling a winning mentality into the new players. 

 

It's not just about what happens in the 90 minutes in a team sport, it's everything that gets you to match day too. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

2 hours ago, Barnesey said:

When did you turn your back on Klopp?

Never. Ljinders though... that son of a bitch!

[Bjornebye]

Next person to mention Klopp is a bastard 

[Scott_M]

Some only chatter Trent has signed a new contract until 2028, £300k per week. 

[Elite]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

Some only chatter Trent has signed a new contract until 2028, £300k per week. 

That's a lot of money but it'd be sensible to protect his value moving forward and hopefully Slot can get him back to his best in whatever role he sees fit.

[JohnnyH]

I heard it was £298k a week plus an ebike. #ITK

[Scott_M]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

Some only chatter Trent has signed a new contract until 2028, £300k per week. 

What the fuck is only… autocorrect ducker. 

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

What the fuck is only… autocorrect ducker. 

 

OnlyFans autocorrects to that amigo.

[Red Phoenix]

I'm seeing a good number of people saying he's been offered £250k + 1 bitcoin a week.

 

Time will tell.

[joe_fishfish]

I’m pretty relaxed about any or all of the Final Year Three leaving. Just want them to go this year rather than next so we get a fee.

[JagSquared]

Yeah being reported big wage increase and the tech guys promising to show him how to stop girls saving chat on the socials.

[an tha]

3 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Some only chatter Trent has signed a new contract until 2028, £300k per week. 

[joe_fishfish]

1 hour ago, an tha said:

That’s six letters and the second one is never an R.

[Jarvinja Ilnow]

Come friendly bombs, 

Drop on Rainhill.

[No2]

1 hour ago, an tha said:

550,000 per week. Madness.

[VladimirIlyich]

5 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Next person to mention Klopp is a bastard 

You bastard.

[VladimirIlyich]

5 minutes ago, No2 said:

550,000 per week. Madness.

It's all fuckin madness. Good luck to the lad for being among the best in his profession but these salaries dont exist in a vacuum. Fans will be paying for his and others like it. It also again makes it mind boggling to think what our cheating friends are paying their lot.

[Creator Supreme]

11 hours ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Whiston

All of my kids were born in Whiston, and go mad when I tell them they're wools!

[VladimirIlyich]

13 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

All of my kids were born in Whiston, and go mad when I tell them they're wools!

Quite a lot of Runcorn kids were born in Whiston and they think it makes them Scousers. Mine were born in Chester so know they are wools from the off with no pretentiousness.

[Geoff Woade]

18 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Quite a lot of Runcorn kids were born in Whiston and they think it makes them Scousers. Mine were born in Chester so know they are wools from the off with no pretentiousness.

Ormskirk being a Liverpool postcode doesn’t help either!