Is Trent Really Worth It?

[Barnesey]

I don’t think he can play midfield. His body position is often wrong when he receives (or wants to receive) the ball and his positioning often awry. If he is to play a conventional right back role (none of this inverted nonsense) he will be a great asset. Anything else and I’d choose Bradley and let him go to Madrid as long as we get tchouameni in return. 

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, Smell The Glove said:

What Trent has described there is the exact type of midfielder Madrid require now Kroos has gone, whether Trent can do that, time will tell.

 

I've not seen those quotes before but it's obvious now that he wants to play midfield and if we don't provide the opportunity, he will move somewhere that does. I actually think he's more determined than ever after the Southgate fiasco to prove people wrong as well.

 

 

 

I would be surprised if Madrid thought Trent was a tony kroos level midfielder. Maybe he can get there, but I can't see them let him have a couple of years working that out. I think Trent is a tremendous footballer, but I don't think he's shown any of those qualities centrally he mentions up there. I think personally his words go beyond what he's shown on the pitch. 

[Smell The Glove]

Just now, Barrington Womble said:

 

I would be surprised if Madrid thought Trent was a tony kroos level midfielder. Maybe he can get there, but I can't see them let him have a couple of years working that out. I think Trent is a tremendous footballer, but I don't think he's shown any of those qualities centrally he mentions up there. I think personally his words go beyond what he's shown on the pitch. 

I'm not saying Madrid do, just that looking at their midfield, it's got a workmanlike look to it without Kroos.

 

My personal view would be Trent playing a bit more dynamic role from midfield than what Kroos was brilliant at.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Oh yes.  Summer on the FF.

 

- Player X only has 2 or 3 years left on his contract 

- He's angling for a move to Real/Barcelona/Saudi Arabia 

- Fuck him. We can't carry players who don't want to play for us.

- Let him go; he's been shit for years anyway.

 

Copy and paste this into thread after thread, year after year.

[Rushies tash]

If it is true that he's trying to dictate where he plays, then fuck him off now rather than let him spend a year disrupting the squad by moping about. On his day, a great player, yes, but Slot needs everyone on board with what he wants from his team.

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, Smell The Glove said:

I'm not saying Madrid do, just that looking at their midfield, it's got a workmanlike look to it without Kroos.

 

My personal view would be Trent playing a bit more dynamic role from midfield than what Kroos was brilliant at.

 

Well I guess we'll see shortly. It doesn't seem a very Madrid thing to me, buying someone who'll demand a major salary and then treating him as a project to see if he can work out. They seem to me to be a club who buy finished product or younger players who are exceptional in their position. Here's my prediction if he goes to Madrid. They'll probably tell him what he wants to hear and then they'll play him right back. 

[Smell The Glove]

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Well I guess we'll see shortly. It doesn't seem a very Madrid thing to me, buying someone who'll demand a major salary and then treating him as a project to see if he can work out. They seem to me to be a club who buy finished product or younger players who are exceptional in their position. Here's my prediction if he goes to Madrid. They'll probably tell him what he wants to hear and then they'll play him right back. 

I don't think there's any chance of him going to Madrid. I'd be very surprised if he wanted leave but he definitely wants to play midfield.

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, Smell The Glove said:

I don't think there's any chance of him going to Madrid. I'd be very surprised if he wanted leave but he definitely wants to play midfield.

 

Well we'll see how slot deals with that within weeks. Maybe slot sees him as a 6 or 8. And by the way, if slot sees him as a midfielder and thinks he can make it work, great - let's get him playing there, doing what Trent says he can do in that interview and get his name on a 5 year deal. But if slot thinks he's a right back and Trent won't do it, we need to get rid. 

[Smell The Glove]

Just now, Barrington Womble said:

 

Well we'll see how slot deals with that within weeks. Maybe slot sees him as a 6 or 8. And by the way, if slot sees him as a midfielder and thinks he can make it work, great - let's get him playing there, doing what Trent says he can do in that interview and get his name on a 5 year deal. But if slot thinks he's a right back and Trent won't do it, we need to get rid. 

Totally agree.

[Moo]

49 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

 

Alexander-Arnold’s comments on playing in midfield during a pre-England vs. Malta press conference on Thursday were particularly interesting.

 

 

“My specific skill set and what I’m best at is someone who plays in the middle,” he is quoted by the Times.

 

“Someone who controls the game, controls the tempo, creates, breaks line, progresses the ball up the pitch.

 

“You probably get more out of me from being in the middle and I’m able to show off that skill set as much as possible.

 

“My role is to go and create and make things happen, control the game in the middle of the pitch, get the ball on to the attackers, play forward, run forward, goals, assists, create chances, get people off their seats.”

 

If that's an accurate quote then that's even worse than saying he'd rather not play right back.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, Lee909 said:

 

Alexander-Arnold’s comments on playing in midfield during a pre-England vs. Malta press conference on Thursday were particularly interesting.

 

 

“My specific skill set and what I’m best at is someone who plays in the middle,” he is quoted by the Times.

 

“Someone who controls the game, controls the tempo, creates, breaks line, progresses the ball up the pitch.

 

“You probably get more out of me from being in the middle and I’m able to show off that skill set as much as possible.

 

“My role is to go and create and make things happen, control the game in the middle of the pitch, get the ball on to the attackers, play forward, run forward, goals, assists, create chances, get people off their seats.”

If,and that is always a big if regarding tabloids he's said that,then I'm afraid that he needs to improve a lot to win over me in that role ahead of who we already have. And our midfield certainly can improve. The problem is that at somewhere like Real he could be bang average and they'd win 95% of their games with Trent in the central midfield role we've seen him play so far. He can certainly improve there,maybe even be world class,but if Liverpool indulge him there I believe it will be to the detriment of the rest of the team. The team is the priority and especially with a new boss at the helm.

[El Rojo]

Hopefully he’ll ping a winner into the top corner against Ipswich and then unveil a t-shirt that reads, ‘If you can’t back me when I’m not worth it, you don't deserve it when I’m worth it.’ 

[Bobby Hundreds]

I dont think  ive seen from Trent that he can control a game or the tempo. Now maybe if we had a new Fabinho type player we could indulge the luxury of Trent attempting to be this type of player but at the minute him in midfield is a weak midfield and a weakened threat on the right for our side.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

12 hours ago, Lee909 said:

 

 

That is bloody nonsense 

Nearly every game Konate has played the last couple of years he's had to try and hold down tbe right hand side on his own because Trent has offered little defensively. 

 

He's asleep far to often at the back post. 

Can we side a solution to that? Possibly, but to blame others for his defensive lapses to ridiculous. It's laziness and his wanting to play in midfield. He's shown he can defend well enough but since Southgate dropped him a couple of years back and the talk of him being a midfielder started he's done less and less defensively. 

 

 

If he thinks he's going to Madrid and beating out Valverde,Tchouaméni or Camavinga he will be in for a shock. 

 

 

 

Yeah he's fucking shit. 

[TheHowieLama]

4 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

let's get him playing there, doing what Trent says he can do in that interview and get his name on a 5 year deal. 

 

This is the club's headache.

 

He hasn't done any of the stuff he says he can - at every stage in hisdevelopment the top coaches at the club have not seen him do that - which is why he is a right back.

 

So the club has to commit to 5 years making him the highest earner without ever seeing what they are paying for. That is a big stretch. Let's be honest, if he wasn't Scouse the fanbase would have an entirely different view of him right now.

[an tha]

5 hours ago, Remmie said:

While we are at it, let's just put a sign under this is Anfield saying Real Madrid's little bitch

There is no point trying to keep a player who wants to go - if they don't want to play for us then off they go.

 

So in this scenario based on fact we'd never sell him to a rival in this country and assuming Real Madrid would want him I don't see a problem with having a gentlemans agreement with him in place for if he wants to go there that secures us the biggest fee possible.

 

Much better than him running his contract down and fucking off there and us getting fuck all.

[TheHowieLama]

sign under this is Anfield saying Real Madrid's little bitch

 

It can be signed by Michael Owen, Steve McManaman and Xabi Alonso.

[Barrington Womble]

26 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

This is the club's headache.

 

He hasn't done any of the stuff he says he can - at every stage in hisdevelopment the top coaches at the club have not seen him do that - which is why he is a right back.

 

So the club has to commit to 5 years making him the highest earner without ever seeing what they are paying for. That is a big stretch. Let's be honest, if he wasn't Scouse the fanbase would have an entirely different view of him right now.

It is a gamble. To be fair, it's a gamble that we should be able to take. As a club we will know more about his capabilities than any other club out there. And slot is being paid to make just these types of calls. I'm not afraid of that calmll being made by those at the club, because the reality is in my opinion we have the world's best right back. If it fails in midfield, he's a right back again, here or elsewhere. 

 

And I do remain to be convinced if the new manager just says to him go and be the world's best right back and in 12-24 months you'll be club captain, I'd be surprised if he turned that down. 

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

It is a gamble. To be fair, it's a gamble that we should be able to take. As a club we will know more about his capabilities than any other club out there. And slot is being paid to make just these types of calls. I'm not afraid of that calmll being made by those at the club, because the reality is in my opinion we have the world's best right back. If it fails in midfield, he's a right back again, here or elsewhere. 

 

And I do remain to be convinced if the new manager just says to him go and be the world's best right back and in 12-24 months you'll be club captain, I'd be surprised if he turned that down. 

 

The club should definitely try to re-up his deal. Just to protect his value if nothing else.

The position talk and the contract extension should obviously be two entirely different conversations. The idea that the club would indulge what position he wants to play in those conversations is ludicrous, only the player( or his agent) would broach that.

 

As for the last - his reaction to becoming VC was not a positive one in may peoples eyes. You earn the right to be Captain of LFC, that is not a bargaining chip.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

If he wants out sell him now. Go or don’t start. Welcome to Man Utd Trent.

[Barrington Womble]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

The club should definitely try to re-up his deal. Just to protect his value if nothing else.

The position talk and the contract extension should obviously be two entirely different conversations. The idea that the club would indulge what position he wants to play in those conversations is ludicrous, only the player( or his agent) would broach that.

 

As for the last - his reaction to becoming VC was not a positive one in may peoples eyes. You earn the right to be Captain of LFC, that is not a bargaining chip.

 

I didn't mean it as a bargaining chip. I meant it as slot inspiring the lad firstly to re-establish himself as the best right back in the world, then there's a clear path to the captaincy. He's made no secret he wants to do that, so it seems to me getting him refocused as a footballer first is the way to do that. 

 

As I've mentioned before, I think southgates handling of the lad is the root cause of all these problems. He undermined him and perhaps has made him feel he's not a genuine top quality right back, just a top quality right back in a klopp system. I personally think the lad needs rebuilding a bit and now Southgate is out of the way, the England set up might stop devaluing him. 

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

it seems to me getting him refocused as a footballer first is the way to do that. 

 

As I've mentioned before, I think southgates handling of the lad is the root cause of all these problems.

 

Both of these are a bunch of bunk tbh.

 

He is not some wilting flower, he is an extraordinarily confident man - these are excuses. He stunk the joint out well before the Euros.

[Smell The Glove]

13 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

It is a gamble. To be fair, it's a gamble that we should be able to take. As a club we will know more about his capabilities than any other club out there. And slot is being paid to make just these types of calls. I'm not afraid of that calmll being made by those at the club, because the reality is in my opinion we have the world's best right back. If it fails in midfield, he's a right back again, here or elsewhere. 

 

And I do remain to be convinced if the new manager just says to him go and be the world's best right back and in 12-24 months you'll be club captain, I'd be surprised if he turned that down. 

I agree it is a gamble but one we have to take and the timing couldn't be better for me. A lot of what Howie says is correct but we are where we are and we have to try it and Slot's first year in charge after Klopp is probably as good a landing spot as you're going to get. If it doesn't work he goes back to right back or he's a saleable asset as Bradley is what we think he is. My gut tells me he's a midfielder and he'll make sure he is. Bumpy season ahead or a perfect storm.

[Trojan1892]

The biggest club in the world want him, yeah he’s fucking shit get rid.

[Trojan1892]

Sign a top class DM and let him roam, play him how we used to play Gerrard, the numbers he’d produce would be fucking wild.

He would easily produce double figures in goals and assists imo.