Is Trent Really Worth It?

[Barrington Womble]

18 hours ago, beejay said:

If I was Arne Slot I would be relishing the prospect of finding a solution to the so-called problem of integrating Trent and Nunez into the side. 

 

Two class players, both potentially if not actually world class, devastating at times for club or country but with critics galore.

 

Solve that and Arne will be well on the way to instant success 

I think this is the interesting thing with this season. Klopp has left at the very start of a cycle - even though Trent has been here years, the thing about where he should be played has become a real thing over the last 2 years. But it's not just those two is it? There's so many. Can he continue Bradley's progression, same with Quansah. We hear he got players on the pitch, so can he change konate from some part time lad and a bit inconsistent to the next step and a top class defender? Gravenberch, Elliot, Jones, Dom have all showed things, but you have to think we want more from all of them. Diaz, can we get more end product from him rather than running down blind alleys. Can we toughen up gakpo, mentally and physically so he can influence more games and step towards top class. And back to the konate thing, can he get Jota on the pitch more. And then what can he do with senior players like vvd, Salah, robbo and to some extent endo. There's so many players that look like they have more to give. It's a great opportunity for Slot. 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

I will be gobsmacked if the new coach gets more out of players than the old one did.

[Barrington Womble]

27 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I will be gobsmacked if the new coach gets more out of players than the old one did.

 

It's about the arc of the players though isn't it. Last season was probably the best we could see from those players at that time. But there's a few there will be in their 2nd seasons as young players or 2nd & 3rd season at the club or in the PL, on the normal arc of improvement through your 20s. 

[TheHowieLama]

If he can hasten the normal arc of improvement of top players in this league he will be a world class coach. My point is it may be unfair to hope that he is as good, much less better, than the previous guy when it comes to bringing young talent up.

 

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

If he can hasten the normal arc of improvement of top players in this league he will be a world class coach. 

 

That was generally klopp's ability. He probably won't be as good as klopp at that. But in the short term, he may not need to be. This is the benefit of klopp refreshing the team before quitting. 

 

And one other thing that might make a huge difference. He may not get players to their maximum quite as effectively as klopp, but he might get them on the pitch more often - if he manages that, it will make an enormous difference for us. 

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, Barrington Womble said:

but he might get them on the pitch more often - if he manages that, it will make an enormous difference for us. 

 

How would he, as an individual, affect that in any way? Is he bringing in a team of experts that are markedly better at keeping players available or are you suggesting there will be a different training regimen to accomplish that?

[Barrington Womble]

8 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

How would he, as an individual, affect that in any way? Is he bringing in a team of experts that are markedly better at keeping players available or are you suggesting there will be a different training regimen to accomplish that?

 

We've lost people on that side, so someone is being replaced. And supposedly one of Slots notable things at feynoord was keeping players fit. So he has a track record, although maybe with a different medical team. But if he's not thick (which I assume he's not), he'll have made efforts to understand what they were doing and why it would be successful. And maybe it's not even about what the medical team do, but how he treats players around training and putting them on the pitch when they have minor issues or are recovering from previous ones. Or he doesn't flog them to death in pre season (and many years for weeks beyond) like klopp did. What is clear, as a club we have not been great in this area. 

 

3 of our last 4 season have been plagued with injury. It's not hard to think he could improve on that. 

[Scott_M]

Can’t lie, I’m starting to get a bit concerned this isn’t sorted yet, the noises today that Bellingham has had a word in his ear over moving to Madrid (fair enough, we were all hoping Trent was doing the same in Qatar) and him allegedly wanting talks over his role in the side, tactics, signings, his confidence in Slot etc makes it feel uncertain. 
 

VVD and Salah are less of a concern as, although they still face plenty to give, they aren’t in the prime of their career, Trent should be nailed down for life.

[El Dangerous]

I’m not arsed if he wants to leave but I’ll be pretty pissed off when Real Madrid offer about £25m for him, especially as the Man United just got bummed by Lille for Goofy.

[JohnnyH]

Trent should test himself in a different country and league at some point, but not yet. Sign a contract with a €100m (or whatever) release clause, and give Slot a few seasons, and then head off to Spain or Germany. 

[Kevin D]

Letting it get to this stage is negligence on the club’s part, but I don’t think Trent and his agent are unhappy with the situation they’re in.

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

they aren’t in the prime of their career, 

 

Is he?

[Smell The Glove]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Is he?

Haha, no he's finished.

[TheHowieLama]

20 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

Haha, no he's finished.

 

I will wager you 100 pounds to any charity you wish that Trent will never have another season in this league that tops his output of 2019-20.

 

In any position.

[Captain Turdseye]

This kid simply ain’t no team player anymore if it’s true he’s trying to dictate where he plays on the pitch. That’s the fucking manager’s job. Do as you’re told, put 100% in. That’s all we want as fans. 

 

Every man and his dog can see that Trent isn’t a central midfielder. 
 

Smacks of a player wanting to make it all about himself. If there’s any truth to all that he can go and sit on Madrid’s bench. 

[Moo]

Madrid will be eyeing him up on a free next year and I can very easily see it happening.  No loyalty in football not even from your local players.

[Smell The Glove]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

I will wager you 100 pounds to any charity you wish that Trent will never have another season in this league that tops his output of 2019-20.

 

In any position.

Yawn, quite a lot in your favour there..He's not finished, he's very far from finished.

[an tha]

There seems to be a lot of assumption (not just here but online generally) about a situation none of us know anything about.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

10 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

Yawn, quite a lot in your favour there..He's not finished, he's very far from finished.

 

Cool story bro - bet, yes or no?

[Smell The Glove]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

 

Cool story bro - bet, yes or no?

Irrelevant, as you well know. I think we can move him to midfield, you don't.

[Binomial]

Not really fussed if he stays or goes - actually thought we looked better with him out the side, the annoying aspect would be getting nothing in return but if it to comes to that so be it, que sera sera. 

[Smell The Glove]

12 minutes ago, Binomial said:

Not really fussed if he stays or goes - actually thought we looked better with him out the side, the annoying aspect would be getting nothing in return but if it to comes to that so be it, que sera sera. 

Just nonsense talk. Same as we looked better without Salah. Go the whole season without Salah and Trent and see where we end up.

[Torvald Utne]

He takes like 2 minutes on every throw in, for that reason alone he can go 

[Scott_M]

28 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

Just nonsense talk. Same as we looked better without Salah. Go the whole season without Salah and Trent and see where we end up.

Agree. He’s a great footballer and we should be ensuring he stays. 

[VladimirIlyich]

I don't care who leaves Liverpool fc. There have been plenty of great players who either left for pastures new or retired. Whether it's Trent,VVD or whoever it's just yet another business deal and the club moves on. This is how it should be. I'll lose sleep over far more important issues than greedy footballers.