Emergency Ward 10 - The Injuries Thread

[No2]

We brought forward Diaz and Gakpo, we knew they were replacing Sadio and Bobby. We will know who is replacing Matip, if he's gettable in January we will do it, we will wait otherwise. 

 

All depends on what "not a short one" means. 6 weeks is not a short one but not long enough to sign a replacement. 

[Barrington Womble]

46 minutes ago, No2 said:

We brought forward Diaz and Gakpo, we knew they were replacing Sadio and Bobby. We will know who is replacing Matip, if he's gettable in January we will do it, we will wait otherwise. 

 

All depends on what "not a short one" means. 6 weeks is not a short one but not long enough to sign a replacement. 

 

I reckon Quansah will be the one to replace Matip in the squad. He's looked great so far, but it's unfortunately early to be making that call and it doesn't stop Gomez and konate being unreliable with availability. 

 

1 hour ago, magicrat said:

Nor do I but would rather we signed a RB and played Trent in CM 

If we signed a RB, he'd play the hybrid role anyway. This is what we're doing now. There's this idea we're doing it for Trent. I don't think that's the case, I think we're doing it because that's the direction of travel for all the top coaches at the moment. So if Trent becomes our 6 or an 8, whoever replaces him will still be expected to come infield when we have the ball and we'll still have a big gap at right back. 

[NoelM]

 

Bad news on Joel but better on Ali and Diogo

 

[Lee909]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

 

If we signed a RB, he'd play the hybrid role anyway. This is what we're doing now. There's this idea we're doing it for Trent. I don't think that's the case, I think we're doing it because that's the direction of travel for all the top coaches at the moment. So if Trent becomes our 6 or an 8, whoever replaces him will still be expected to come infield when we have the ball and we'll still have a big gap at right back. 

 

 

Agree with that 100%

When Gomez plays there he does/tries the same way. But he is far more switched on to get back into position when we lose the ball. He doesn't stroll back like its a chore. The difference in Trents willingness to track back in the City game when I thought he was generally very good and games like yesterday so it's purely if he can be bothered. Same as him playing fullback, he showed when he broke into the squad that while he wasn't the best defender he was competent enough and then he went completely backwards

[Barrington Womble]

13 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

 

 

Agree with that 100%

When Gomez plays there he does/tries the same way. But he is far more switched on to get back into position when we lose the ball. He doesn't stroll back like its a chore. The difference in Trents willingness to track back in the City game when I thought he was generally very good and games like yesterday so it's purely if he can be bothered. Same as him playing fullback, he showed when he broke into the squad that while he wasn't the best defender he was competent enough and then he went completely backwards

 

The trouble is, Gomez is not a good passer of the football. He's moderate, so while he may add more defensive solidity, I don't think he brings anywhere near enough quality to play the RB hybrid role on a permanent basis. Good luck to the lad and he's giving it a go, but if we're to move Trent, klopp will want someone else who can play in that position with foot attacking attributes. And then we might see lots of the problems people perceive with Trent doing it. 

 

And it's pretty unlikely we'll find someone with those attacking talents, who can defend on the cheap. So I don't quite get the rush for it all. I've no issue if we bring someone in like that and move Trent, but I've no doubt if we buy a right back it's to bring attacking talent to the hybrid role and not to block up the space like Gomez does. 

[TheHowieLama]

Trent playing as a single 6 would make Mac Alister look like prime Makalele.

[Lee909]

10 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

The trouble is, Gomez is not a good passer of the football. He's moderate, so while he may add more defensive solidity, I don't think he brings anywhere near enough quality to play the RB hybrid role on a permanent basis. Good luck to the lad and he's giving it a go, but if we're to move Trent, klopp will want someone else who can play in that position with foot attacking attributes. And then we might see lots of the problems people perceive with Trent doing it. 

 

And it's pretty unlikely we'll find someone with those attacking talents, who can defend on the cheap. So I don't quite get the rush for it all. I've no issue if we bring someone in like that and move Trent, but I've no doubt if we buy a right back it's to bring attacking talent to the hybrid role and not to block up the space like Gomez does. 

 

Makes you wonder if the plan was for Caicedo to play there and Trent get moved further forward. Agree though Gomez isn't the answer. 

[Barrington Womble]

23 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

 

Makes you wonder if the plan was for Caicedo to play there and Trent get moved further forward. Agree though Gomez isn't the answer. 

 

Well I think the day we signed mac allister, the plan was Trent playing as he does now and finished last season, alongside fabinho and/or Henderson and macca in front of them. Clearly the Saudis changed all that and we decided to make do with macca.

 

I personally don't see us changing path at this point with trent - unless a real one off talent who could be hybrid and centre back is suddenly available. Then maybe there's a decision to be made. But honestly, I don't think klopp sees Trent's position in the team as the problem many fans do. 

[DaveT]

4 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

I reckon Quansah will be the one to replace Matip in the squad. He's looked great so far, but it's unfortunately early to be making that call and it doesn't stop Gomez and konate being unreliable with availability. 

 

If we signed a RB, he'd play the hybrid role anyway. This is what we're doing now. There's this idea we're doing it for Trent. I don't think that's the case, I think we're doing it because that's the direction of travel for all the top coaches at the moment. So if Trent becomes our 6 or an 8, whoever replaces him will still be expected to come infield when we have the ball and we'll still have a big gap at right back. 

Agree with you there, as Gomez does the inverted thing when he's nominally at RB and Tsimikas did it in one of the cup games....... which doesn't entirely make sense to me as Gomez has a very different skill set to Trent. Still, what do I know - we'd still be unbeaten this season if it wasn't for a dodgy decision at Toulouse and Spursgate.

[magicrat]

4 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

I reckon Quansah will be the one to replace Matip in the squad. He's looked great so far, but it's unfortunately early to be making that call and it doesn't stop Gomez and konate being unreliable with availability. 

 

If we signed a RB, he'd play the hybrid role anyway. This is what we're doing now. There's this idea we're doing it for Trent. I don't think that's the case, I think we're doing it because that's the direction of travel for all the top coaches at the moment. So if Trent becomes our 6 or an 8, whoever replaces him will still be expected to come infield when we have the ball and we'll still have a big gap at right back. 

I think to get the best from Trent he needs to be CM . I no longer think it’s fanciful to say he could take on the Gerrard role. His range of passes is phenomenal 

[Razoray]

4 hours ago, DaveT said:

Agree with you there, as Gomez does the inverted thing when he's nominally at RB and Tsimikas did it in one of the cup games....... which doesn't entirely make sense to me as Gomez has a very different skill set to Trent. Still, what do I know - we'd still be unbeaten this season if it wasn't for a dodgy decision at Toulouse and Spursgate.

Akanji has a very different skillset to Stones also, but Guardiola plays him in the hybrid role for City when Stones is unavailable. Partey played the role for Arsenal earlier in the season. Postecoglu, Klopp, Guardiola and Arteta will use one of the back 4 in midfield when they play 433 for most games. 

 

I think if Trent moves to midfield, it will be with another DM in a 442. He wont play in the 6 on his own very often, in my opinion. 

[Barrington Womble]

17 hours ago, magicrat said:

I think to get the best from Trent he needs to be CM . I no longer think it’s fanciful to say he could take on the Gerrard role. His range of passes is phenomenal 

A little like Gerrard, Trent can probably do what he wants in any position. But it's not about what gets the best out of Trent, it's what makes the best team. If Trent is in one of those midfield areas, it means we have a quality drop off at right back. At the moment we are getting the best of both worlds. I don't see that changing unless we bring an exceptional talent to play the hybrid role. We've not been linked with anyone and I don't believe klopp is even thinking about it. 

[magicrat]

4 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

A little like Gerrard, Trent can probably do what he wants in any position. But it's not about what gets the best out of Trent, it's what makes the best team. If Trent is in one of those midfield areas, it means we have a quality drop off at right back. At the moment we are getting the best of both worlds. I don't see that changing unless we bring an exceptional talent to play the hybrid role. We've not been linked with anyone and I don't believe klopp is even thinking about it. 

I agree it’s unlikely we’ll bring anyone in to cover RB in next window. I’m sure Klopp has it on his radar though

[TheHowieLama]

It does no one any good to suggest that TAA is somehow comparable to Gerrard, especially re: being able to play anywhere on the pitch.

Passing - meh, the closest he gets.

Pace?

Power?

Tackling?

Shooting?

Heading?

 

 

Insert "Leave Trent alone! gif"

 

[Freddo]

Joel’s done his ACL says Paul Gorst 

[an tha]

8 minutes ago, Freddo said:

Joel’s done his ACL says Paul Gorst 

Poor lad.

 

LFC career over.

 

Terrible way for it to end. Feel for him. Really deserves better.

[an tha]

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/12/jurgen-klopp-shares-good-news-on-alexis-mac-allister-injury/

[Barrington Womble]

13 hours ago, an tha said:

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/12/jurgen-klopp-shares-good-news-on-alexis-mac-allister-injury/

Back for the mancs I reckon. 

[sir roger]

Keeping Mac out there after 3 visits from the trainer didn't make much sense at the time and even less now we hear he had stitches at half time.

[ZonkoVille77]

9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Keeping Mac out there after 3 visits from the trainer didn't make much sense at the time and even less now we hear he had stitches at half time.

 

Yea that was mental. Especially considering we were well stocked with replacements.

[El Rojo]

17 hours ago, Freddo said:

Joel’s done his ACL says Paul Gorst 

 

Tough going. Fantastic centre half for us and a decent shout for our greatest ever free signing. 

 

Hopefully he'll get a second title medal in May. 

[magicrat]

21 hours ago, Freddo said:

Joel’s done his ACL says Paul Gorst 

He’s likely done for us then . How sad 

[Kevin D]

It begins.

[johnsusername]

Where the fucking fuck is Thiago?

[an tha]

Bajcetic is the one that worries me more.

 

Thiago is a goner anyway in summer and even if he was fit tomorrow, he'll be injured again soon after.