Darwin Nunez - Thoughts?

[Binomial]

12 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

That tweet though just shows how he'll never get a crack of the whip with some. It's just a chance players miss all the time. He's just finished a streak of scoring that matches his nations record for over 100 years. Then one miss and people are back on his case. 

Very very sad indeed, but this is the state of modern football now and this epitomises how the newer generation of fans are killing the game we once loved, it's 90% social media. Fucking disease. 

 

Everything Bielsa said after that game with regards to which direction the sport is heading is 100% spot on.

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, Binomial said:

Very very sad indeed, but this is the state of modern football now and the newer generation of fans killing the game we once loved, it's 90% social media. Fucking disease. 

 

Everything Bielsa said after that game with regards to which direction the sport is heading is 100% spot on.

I didn't read bielsa. 

 

But I don't think it is purely the state of modern football. I can't think of another player who's ever had such scrutiny and was judged so early. I keep saying it, but a large part of our fanbase has already turned on him by the time he'd played 20 minutes of his first preseason game with blisters on his feet. And since then, every single thing has been over analysed. Even when he scored that brilliant goal (against Brentford?), as soon as Michael Owen, who is basically laughed at as a commentator and thought leader of the game, all of a sudden he's the wisest bloke on the planet and that manc cunts words are used to stick a knife in his back. It's a truly bizarre situation. I know we've always had some shit fans. And I know sometimes every fan just can't enjoy a certain player. But the hate and ridicule directed at him from our supporters, and the joy they seem to take from it, as far as I'm concerned is unprecedented. Maybe it does happen at other clubs. But it's never happened here before like this. 

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I didn't read bielsa. 

 

But I don't think it is purely the state of modern football. I can't think of another player who's ever had such scrutiny and was judged so early. I keep saying it, but a large part of our fanbase has already turned on him by the time he'd played 20 minutes of his first preseason game with blisters on his feet. And since then, every single thing has been over analysed. Even when he scored that brilliant goal (against Brentford?), as soon as Michael Owen, who is basically laughed at as a commentator and thought leader of the game, all of a sudden he's the wisest bloke on the planet and that manc cunts words are used to stick a knife in his back. It's a truly bizarre situation. I know we've always had some shit fans. And I know sometimes every fan just can't enjoy a certain player. But the hate and ridicule directed at him from our supporters, and the joy they seem to take from it, as far as I'm concerned is unprecedented. Maybe it does happen at other clubs. But it's never happened here before like this. 

 

Mad thing is, match going fans absolutely love him. Watch him live and he’s electric. Course he needs to sort his finishing out and if you could give him Fowlers finishing ability he’d be the best player on the planet. He’s absolutely boss and those that slag him off are just whoppers. Unfortunately the shit he gets on social media from clowns who couldn’t point Anfield out on the map is putting pressure into his head so he’s over thinking it. 

[Smell The Glove]

28 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I didn't read bielsa. 

 

But I don't think it is purely the state of modern football. I can't think of another player who's ever had such scrutiny and was judged so early. I keep saying it, but a large part of our fanbase has already turned on him by the time he'd played 20 minutes of his first preseason game with blisters on his feet. And since then, every single thing has been over analysed. Even when he scored that brilliant goal (against Brentford?), as soon as Michael Owen, who is basically laughed at as a commentator and thought leader of the game, all of a sudden he's the wisest bloke on the planet and that manc cunts words are used to stick a knife in his back. It's a truly bizarre situation. I know we've always had some shit fans. And I know sometimes every fan just can't enjoy a certain player. But the hate and ridicule directed at him from our supporters, and the joy they seem to take from it, as far as I'm concerned is unprecedented. Maybe it does happen at other clubs. But it's never happened here before like this. 

Of course no other player has been scrutinised like him before. He's potentially our biggest ever signing and we're in the social media world now. Our previous biggest signing in this world was a defender who won't get judged like a forward does. 

 

I agree loads of it is over the top and also agree with Dave that people want to be proved right but Nunez, whether you like it or not, has given them loads to feed off. Like I keep saying, goals are his only way out of this. Until he does what he's supposed to do, Twitter will keep posting his misses.

[Barrington Womble]

21 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Mad thing is, match going fans absolutely love him. Watch him live and he’s electric. Course he needs to sort his finishing out and if you could give him Fowlers finishing ability he’d be the best player on the planet. He’s absolutely boss and those that slag him off are just whoppers. Unfortunately the shit he gets on social media from clowns who couldn’t point Anfield out on the map is putting pressure into his head so he’s over thinking it. 

 

Some of my mates are frustrated as fuck with him. I've no issue about that, but they don't have to go mental like these internet bellends. You can just have a normal grown up conversation. And I don't think anyone disputes he needs to take more chances, because he does. 

 

16 minutes ago, Smell The Glove said:

Of course no other player has been scrutinised like him before. He's potentially our biggest ever signing and we're in the social media world now. Our previous biggest signing in this world was a defender who won't get judged like a forward does. 

 

I agree loads of it is over the top and also agree with Dave that people want to be proved right but Nunez, whether you like it or not, has given them loads to feed off. Like I keep saying, goals are his only way out of this. Until he does what he's supposed to do, Twitter will keep posting his misses.

 

But this was the point I made, scoring goals won't do it. He's just had a run of scoring goals for his national team, that is unmatched by any Uruguayan in 100 years. That 100 years includes a world cup winning team and Luiz Suarez, who's lauded here as maybe the best who ever played for us. Then he misses a chance and all the goons are out again. Even in the games he scored, the goons would post the chances he missed. He could score 50 goals and the gobshites would still be at it. 

[Smell The Glove]

4 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Some of my mates are frustrated as fuck with him. I've no issue about that, but they don't have to go mental like these internet bellends. You can just have a normal grown up conversation. And I don't think anyone disputes he needs to take more chances, because he does. 

 

 

But this was the point I made, scoring goals won't do it. He's just had a run of scoring goals for his national team, that is unmatched by any Uruguayan in 100 years. That 100 years includes a world cup winning team and Luiz Suarez, who's lauded here as maybe the best who ever played for us. Then he misses a chance and all the goons are out again. Even in the games he scored, the goons would post the chances he missed. He could score 50 goals and the gobshites would still be at it. 

I agree with lots of what you're saying but it's still up to Nunez to do it. I'm not on that cess pit site but I think you know most people there wouldn't care about what he does for Uruguay apart from his misses. Again, it does not matter a fuck what people post this season, next season as long as he does the business for us. A narrative was definitely set for him, 10 average league goals a season with loads of shocking misses isn't going to die it down.

[No2]

That Brazil game is a perfect example of why so many have run out of patience. Big games with evenly matched teams only have 1 or 2 big chances. Mistimed his jump is not an excuse, it's the problem. Don't mistime it, compose yourself and bury the games only chance, it's his job.

 

He's in a great run of form, surrounded by his mates and all that goes with that and he still botches a glorious chance. Fulkrug and Kane both missed big headed chances but they connected cleanly,  headed it where they wanted to and just their bearings 6 inches off, that's acceptable. 

 

I've been a fan since day one and used his Benfica finishing at Anfield as proof composure is in the post but it isn't, I've reached the stage were I expect him to miss. When a big game comes around I'd prefer Jota on the pitch to him.

[Pidge]

 

 

[Mil-ing Around]

I think his staunch fans miss out some key things about him.

 

1. He cost £80+ million (not his fault) but for that kind of money it's not too much to expect a more rounded and complete player. If he cost £30 million expectancy would be lower and attention wouldn't be as high. Again it's not his fault, but when you're the star striker earning big money, playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world, you're going to get scrutinized.

 

2. He makes bad decisions. Over and over. Nobody is going to tell me he has the football brain of an elite player who is playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. He doesn't. He constantly does dumb shit. He doesn't see passes a top player should see or have the awareness of a top player. 

 

3. He doesn't suit our style of play. He's not very good at pressing (even though he tries) and he's not good enough in the build up play. Sure he has improved, anybody saying different is blind. But it's still not enough for a team wanting to win leagues and champions leagues.

 

4. He misses far too many easy chances. Don't give me Haaland or other strikers. Nunez misses sitters consistently. The other strikers don't. They miss them sometimes. Nunez misses them most of the time. And that's the difference. We can't count on him. It doesn't matter if he scores 20 league goals if he misses big chances in the big games when it counts, over and over. Those misses cost you titles and trophies. Not to mention the effect this has on your team mates in games, it drains your teams confidence.

 

He's had 2 years, last season it cost us, next season it will cost us again. It's pretty obvious what's going to happen. All we have with him is hope. The hope that he hits a purple patch at the exact right time in a title race or champions league knockout phase which gets us over the line.

 

Or we persist with him until he hits 27/28 years old and the penny finally drops and he calms down in front of goal and possibly becomes an elite player for the next few seasons.

 

By that time we will have totally rebuilt the side. In 3 years time no Salah, no Virg, no Robertson, possibly no Alisson or Trent.

 

Huge risk to take on one player hopefully becoming good enough. It doesn't normally happen at any other top clubs. Would Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, City, Arsenal or any of the top sides we are competing with keep him? The answer is no

 

So why are we....

 

 

 

 

[Creator Supreme]

8 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Mad thing is, match going fans absolutely love him. Watch him live and he’s electric. Course he needs to sort his finishing out and if you could give him Fowlers finishing ability he’d be the best player on the planet. He’s absolutely boss and those that slag him off are just whoppers. Unfortunately the shit he gets on social media from clowns who couldn’t point Anfield out on the map is putting pressure into his head so he’s over thinking it. 

I'm not on Twitter, and I can point Anfield out on a map, and Nunez is still shite!

[TD_LFC]

I'm cautiously optimistic Slot can simplify his roll and he improves massively this season.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

I've decided he'll score 20 league goals next season.  

[sir roger]

11 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

I'm cautiously optimistic Slot can simplify his roll and he improves massively this season.

 

Aye, get rid of the mayo and rocket.

[Saintslfc13]

21 hours ago, Pidge said:

 

 

I know he's talking about much more than just the tactics involved and I agree with his general point but when I consider that I just watched him send his team out to wrestle a very beatable Brasil side for 90 minutes instead of actually playing football I have to say I find his word a bit ironically timed.

[Binomial]

- Change of boots or switch the left over with the right.

- Keep the cornrows

- Uruguay shirt underneath his Liverpool 1.

 

Job sorted and God help Premier League defenders. 

[Anubis]

Loads of people have stuck with him, but a lot have hit their acceptance threshold. For me, it was the miss from 6 yards against Palace. That was compounded by an even worse miss from 6 yards against Everton. I just don't see how he's suddenly going to turn into this 30 goal a season striker after 2 years that show us otherwise.

[dave u]

On 08/07/2024 at 12:17, Mil-ing Around said:

It doesn't normally happen at any other top clubs. Would Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, City, Arsenal or any of the top sides we are competing with keep him? The answer is no

 

So why are we....

 

 

 

There's loads I disagree with in that post but I'd be here all day, so I'll just address this one.

 

We aren't Real Madrid or Man City which is why we were never in the running for Mbappe and Haaland and why we have to do it differently by signing players like Nunez.

 

As for Bayern and Arsenal, if Nunez went to either of them he'd immediately be their best striker.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

22 minutes ago, dave u said:

As for Bayern and Arsenal, if Nunez went to either of them he'd immediately be their best striker.

 

You'd have Nunez over Kane at Bayern?

[3 Stacks]

The expectations really have not been very demanding. Every other forward we have cost in between 35m-50m. 

 

We paid what we paid because we thought he was on another level, and what we've gotten so far is someone whose finishing is below the required level and who isn't complete enough as a footballer to justify playing every game.

[joe_fishfish]

1 hour ago, dave u said:

 

 

There's loads I disagree with in that post but I'd be here all day, so I'll just address this one.

 

We aren't Real Madrid or Man City which is why we were never in the running for Mbappe and Haaland and why we have to do it differently by signing players like Nunez.

 

As for Bayern and Arsenal, if Nunez went to either of them he'd immediately be their best striker.

Dave I respect you for running this place and everything but this is one of the most insane opinions I’ve ever seen on here. If you asked every manager in the world if they’d rather have Darwin Nunez or Harry Kane as their starting striker I reckon literally every single one would take Kane.

[dave u]

40 minutes ago, joe_fishfish said:

Dave I respect you for running this place and everything but this is one of the most insane opinions I’ve ever seen on here. If you asked every manager in the world if they’d rather have Darwin Nunez or Harry Kane as their starting striker I reckon literally every single one would take Kane.

 

Not gonna lie, I forgot Kane was at Bayern.

 

I'm 51 now in fairness, not as sharp as I used to be. The Arsenal point stands though.

[dave u]

1 hour ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

 

You'd have Nunez over Kane at Bayern?

 

No. See above post!

[Bobby Hundreds]

Nunez over Kane... hahaha in nearly 20 years on here since Rafa was Gaffer I've never heard such insanity.

 

Id take Nunez, Kane is old and I'm conditioned by Billy Bean valuations. Fuck a year of Kane and his moist chops.

[A Red]

What does Cally think?

[bossy]

Rather Nunez than the Kane we’ve seen at the Euros.