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25 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Personally I think both things are true. Nunez should take more chances. We should also be better at getting the ball to him. Scoring goals is a confidence game and if you're offside 3 times in 10 minutes because you're making good runs, but the ball comes too late, you're head is going to drop. You're head drops, maybe you miss more. You miss more, you over think it all. It all plays in.  It could be Nunez needs to be the main forward, which will never happen here while Salah is on the pitch. 

I actually thought we played better when Salah was out injured. I think that's the time Nunez had his purple patch aswell 

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32 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Personally I think both things are true. Nunez should take more chances. We should also be better at getting the ball to him. Scoring goals is a confidence game and if you're offside 3 times in 10 minutes because you're making good runs, but the ball comes too late, you're head is going to drop. You're head drops, maybe you miss more. You miss more, you over think it all. It all plays in.  It could be Nunez needs to be the main forward, which will never happen here while Salah is on the pitch. 

 

I’ll use Haaland again and Inzaghi, they might hardly be on games at times but they rarely don’t look sharpe. They constantly making those runs or angles in the penalty areas for the ball. City or Milan didn’t get them all the time, they keeps going and going and when he does get a chance he makes it count. 

 

I do agree we should get it quicker to Nunez at times. However, his head shouldn’t be dropping if it doesn’t, he’s not playing for the U12’s. He still gets a significant amount of chances he needs to do better with, which if he did, him being offside or getting to to him quicker wouldn’t be an issue. 

 

 

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Barry Wom has been all over this for months, but players shouldn't even need to take a touch or even have a look. They should know in certain situations to just fire it round the corner first time because he'll be running. Leicester did this with Vardy all the time. We never do it.

 

Does my head in seeing him make a run and then keep having to try and hold it to stay onside because the midfielder is taking an extra touch before even looking in his direction. It also really frustrates me when he makes a run but the ball goes to someone else who then plays the pass, when he's now offside.

 

The criticism of the finishing is fair, he needs to calm the fuck down and be more cerebral when he's through on goal, but the offside stuff does my head because it's often not his fault. We're actually pretty terrible at playing him in, even Macca hasn't been great at it but he's easily the best (other than Trent). 

 

The offsides that do my head are the ones when he's facing his own goal and is too slow getting back onside when the ball is played up to him. Those are sloppy as fuck and there's no excuse. The ones when he's doing his job and making a run in behind only for the ball to arrive too late are not the same and I'll defend him on those all day.

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22 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I don’t think his head really drops. He probably gets frustrated but he never shirks away. Fucker runs all day 

 

His head doesn't drop but he does lose confidence with his finishing. It doesn't cause him to stop getting himself in there, but it definitely affects how he finishes. The one at Goodison will haunt me for a long time, that was so fucking bad, completely indefensible, because he did everything right in terms of the run and then having a look where Pickford was, only to then twat it straight at him because he basically shit himself due to a lack of confidence.

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The players dont release the ball quick enough thing is ridiculous. There is a similar narrative around City and Haaland where there are videos of City players ignoring his runs and stuff. The reality is that you cant knock it in behind all game and there isnt another big team in the world, maybe team full stop, that tried to hit it in behind more than us under Klopp. 

 

He has just been not very good, some the excuses made for him are ridiculous. 

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Darwin would have missed all of those chances if he was playing in the Premiership. Hopefully this hat trick boosts his value and we can get something close to what we paid for him when he moves on.

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55 minutes ago, andyj said:

I actually thought we played better when Salah was out injured. I think that's the time Nunez had his purple patch aswell 

 

We did, but there were other circumstances around that. I think probably all the forwards played better in that period, but it is such a limited window of time it's questionable if they could all maintain that. I'm certainly not saying the secret to unlocking Nunez is dump Salah. 

 

46 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

 

I’ll use Haaland again and Inzaghi, they might hardly be on games at times but they rarely don’t look sharpe. They constantly making those runs or angles in the penalty areas for the ball. City or Milan didn’t get them all the time, they keeps going and going and when he does get a chance he makes it count. 

 

I do agree we should get it quicker to Nunez at times. However, his head shouldn’t be dropping if it doesn’t, he’s not playing for the U12’s. He still gets a significant amount of chances he needs to do better with, which if he did, him being offside or getting to to him quicker wouldn’t be an issue. 

 

 

 

City are much different to us though and there are 2 main things I would say haaland is a different discussion. Firstly, haaland rarely plays any part in build up play. He lumbers around making runs like a robot and eventually the ball comes. That's pretty much his entire game. But those city players are also not really trying to get him in, they just want to play another sideways pass till they don't. With us and Nunez, it's a different balance. Not only does Nunez play a part in what we do outside the box, but we are always trying to get him in, nearly every ball we play is forward, but we just don't do it quickly enough. 

 

As for inzaghi, it's different football in a different time, we might as well talk about rush. 

 

15 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The players dont release the ball quick enough thing is ridiculous. There is a similar narrative around City and Haaland where there are videos of City players ignoring his runs and stuff. The reality is that you cant knock it in behind all game and there isnt another big team in the world, maybe team full stop, that tried to hit it in behind more than us under Klopp. 

 

He has just been not very good, some the excuses made for him are ridiculous. 

 

Maybe if you watched in the stadium you would notice how many of the passes come late and are missed and the many missed runs he makes. I realise on a spreadsheet when the ball is played is irrelevant, because there's not a column for that stat. 

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7 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

City are much different to us though and there are 2 main things I would say haaland is a different discussion. Firstly, haaland rarely plays any part in build up play. He lumbers around making runs like a robot and eventually the ball comes. That's pretty much his entire game. But those city players are also not really trying to get him in, they just want to play another sideways pass till they don't. With us and Nunez, it's a different balance. Not only does Nunez play a part in what we do outside the box, but we are always trying to get him in, nearly every ball we play is forward, but we just don't do it quickly enough. 

 

As for inzaghi, it's different football in a different time, we might as well talk about rush. 


As I’ve said now 3 times now, at times, we should get the ball forward to Nunez quicker. 
 

I don’t think the Haaland or Inzaghi comparisons on their involvement in the same should be dismissed like you have done. We can include Rush as well, we can include Torres, Owen, Sturridge and any good striker in world football ever.  They keep doing the right things over and over and over. Eventually they’ll get it right (ie the pass will come or they won’t be offside). 
 

We could create more chances for him, the bigger issue is Nunez not finishing the chances. 

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4 minutes ago, Scott_M said:


As I’ve said now 3 times now, at times, we should get the ball forward to Nunez quicker. 
 

I don’t think the Haaland or Inzaghi comparisons on their involvement in the same should be dismissed like you have done. We can include Rush as well, we can include Torres, Owen, Sturridge and any good striker in world football ever.  They keep doing the right things over and over and over. Eventually they’ll get it right (ie the pass will come or they won’t be offside). 
 

We could create more chances for him, the bigger issue is Nunez not finishing the chances. 

 

Your bottom Sentence we all agree on. 

 

But it is double edged and contains two different parts. Your assumption would be that more chances = more misses. 

 

But I would say more chances = more goals and a chance just to throw the monkey off his back. 

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4 minutes ago, Fowlers God said:

 

Your bottom Sentence we all agree on. 

 

But it is double edged and contains two different parts. Your assumption would be that more chances = more misses. 

 

But I would say more chances = more goals and a chance just to throw the monkey off his back. 


I realise there would be more goals and misses.
 

Nobody knows if he’d get the monkey off his back, statistically it’d likely be the same, wasteful. 

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3 minutes ago, Code said:

Nunez has been the main striker, we have moved Salah more wide to create space for Nunez and for Salah to feed him.

He is the main number 9. There isn't one player who doesn't look to play in Salah first. By then, Nunez's run is wasted. 

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27 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Maybe if you watched in the stadium you would notice how many of the passes come late and are missed and the many missed runs he makes. I realise on a spreadsheet when the ball is played is irrelevant, because there's not a column for that stat. 

In any given game, there's like 10 actions where the watcher, stadium or not, will think the players could have done something better, released it quicker, taken a better touch. 

 

The reality is that Trent going direct early has been a very prevalent tactic for years, we have a technically decent midfield and we had the coach that probably had the most direct style of football in the world. It is hard to think of a better platform for Darwin to succeed. It is very, very likely that it hasnt been everybody elses fault. 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Fowlers God said:

 

Your bottom Sentence we all agree on. 

 

But it is double edged and contains two different parts. Your assumption would be that more chances = more misses. 

 

But I would say more chances = more goals and a chance just to throw the monkey off his back. 

 

Both are true.

 

More shots would equal more goals and more misses, he took 107 shots in the PL last season, it's not the volume that needs to be improved it's the efficiency (including technique, decision making etc).

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The dreadful 10 games/great 10 games/dreadful 10 games pattern is valid and a fair criticism. 

 

It also makes clear that a lot of it is in his head. 
 

I think he’d actually still command a high transfer fee as there’s clearly a lot of talent to work with. 

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17 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Klopp did - why?


I can only guess, but in theory it should benefit the team as a whole.

 

Salah should have scored 20 goals this season (got close), but he should have had at least 20 assists as well, some of the chances he created was more difficult to miss than score, still we missed them. 
 

So moving Salah a bit more wide would still give us loads of goals from Salah, but it would also create more space through the middle and Salah would also create more. 
 

It did not work because Nunez did not do his part of the job, putting the ball in the net. 

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1 hour ago, El Rojo said:

The dreadful 10 games/great 10 games/dreadful 10 games pattern is valid and a fair criticism. 

 

It also makes clear that a lot of it is in his head. 
 

I think he’d actually still command a high transfer fee as there’s clearly a lot of talent to work with. 

 

Well, there's plenty of room in there.

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