Has lockdown fucked people up?

[Mook]

33 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

Lame as fuck.

 

Not to mention no one fucking wants to give anyone a job past the age of around 45.

 

So we live till 90... 45 years unemployed, roofless, hungry, skint etc...

 

Hurrah.

 

 

Most people have a job at 45, so we'll likely be stuck in that job until we die.

[s(k)aturation]

1 minute ago, Mook said:

Most people have a job at 45, so we'll likely be stuck in that job until we die.

 

I don't know what's worse.  

Ageism, or being stuck in a job until we die.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

Sheesh.

 

@Rico1304 I will weigh in using your example.

My daughter has type 1 diabetes - we have been donors and partners with the JDRF for 20 years. During that time there have been hundreds of millions of dollars raised to develop an artificial pancreas. Her life right now is really not affected by having to use an insulin pump - it will be made easier if that comes to pass, and would be a shining example of the miracles of modern science.

 

 It will have zero effect on her income, job security, cost of living increases, housing and energy prices, all while living in a world with increasingly toxic social polarisation and her generation dealing with the climate issue. I know she is far more worried about all the latter factors.

 

@Bjornebye The discussion is not about 6 year olds - it is about 20 year olds.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Sheesh.

 

@Rico1304 I will weigh in using your example.

My daughter has type 1 diabetes - we have been donors and partners with the JDRF for 20 years. During that time there have been hundreds of millions of dollars raised to develop an artificial pancreas. Her life right now is really not affected by having to use an insulin pump - it will be made easier if that comes to pass, and would be a shining example of the miracles of modern science.

 

 It will have zero effect on her income, job security, cost of living increases, housing and energy prices, all while living in a world with increasingly toxic social polarisation and her generation dealing with the climate issue. I know she is far more worried about all the latter factors.

 

@Bjornebye The discussion is not about 6 year olds - it is about 20 year olds.

Rico has a 20 year old daughter?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SasaS]

Don't really get it, the generation that had to endure WWII went on to become your great generation in the popular imagination.

Generation that had to stay home a lot and watch a little bit more Netflix than usual, irretrievably fucked by the horrific experience.

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Sheesh.

 

@Rico1304 I will weigh in using your example.

My daughter has type 1 diabetes - we have been donors and partners with the JDRF for 20 years. During that time there have been hundreds of millions of dollars raised to develop an artificial pancreas. Her life right now is really not affected by having to use an insulin pump - it will be made easier if that comes to pass, and would be a shining example of the miracles of modern science.

 

 It will have zero effect on her income, job security, cost of living increases, housing and energy prices, all while living in a world with increasingly toxic social polarisation and her generation dealing with the climate issue. I know she is far more worried about all the latter factors.

 

@Bjornebye The discussion is not about 6 year olds - it is about 20 year olds.

So, without the insulin, a relatively new invention she’d have a completely different life.  Excellent news.  
 

The age we live in is the best age there has ever been.  You are not going to get murdered, not eaten before a wild animal and less likely to go to war and the opportunities to advance are better than they ever have been. For thousands of years people didn’t leave their village never mind travel the world.  
 

Energy prices are having a blip, they’ll settle and in a couple of years we’ll forget about this.  I guess it’s about outlook- mine seems more positive than yours.  

[s(k)aturation]

4 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Don't really get it, the generation that had to endure WWII went on to become your great generation in the popular imagination.

 

 

Generation that had to stay home a lot and watch a little bit more Netflix than usual, irretrievably fucked by the horrific experience.

 

 

 

Yeah, but no Chetniks, Churchills, Titos, Ustashi or Partizans to inspire us.

Only Seinfeld re-re-re-runs.

 

 

[Rico1304]

29 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

You usually hear what you want to, n'est-ce pas?

Long may it continue.

It's a free country etc...

 

 

 

Yes, I’m very good at hearing moaning cunts.  

[polymerpunkah]

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can't do for your country."

[TheHowieLama]

@Rico1304 Try to stay focused man. The discussion was what makes you think your kids ( I assume your kids aren't toddlers - mine are all 19- 23) will have a "better" life than you have. You came up with medical advances and are now referring to villages and being eaten by a wild animal.

 

[s(k)aturation]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Yes, I’m very good at hearing moaning cunts.  

 

You are indeed. 

 

 

[s(k)aturation]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

@Rico1304 Try to stay focused man. The discussion was what makes you think your kids ( I assume your kids aren't toddlers - mine are all 19- 23) will have a "better" life than you have. You came up with medical advances and are now referring to villages and being eaten by a wild animal.

 

 

But he has a point.

The prosthetics if a Tiger bites off your leg nowadays... better than the real thing.

 

 

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

@Rico1304 Try to stay focused man. The discussion was what makes you think your kids ( I assume your kids aren't toddlers - mine are all 19- 23) will have a "better" life than you have. You came up with medical advances and are now referring to villages and being eaten by a wild animal.

 

My daughter is 9. She will be wealthier than me, she’ll live longer than me. She won’t have to save to buy her first house or get in debt to go to university.  She’s already been abroad about 20 times and spent half term in the Maldives.  That enough? 

[YorkshireRed]

Hedge hopping for kids today must be a nightmare. Security lights, CCTV etc. In my day all we had to worry about was crossing a back lawn at the same time Rover the Alsatian was out doing his doings. 

[YorkshireRed]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

My daughter is 9. She will be wealthier than me, she’ll live longer than me. She won’t have to save to buy her first house or get in debt to go to university.  She’s already been abroad about 20 times and spent half term in the Maldives.  That enough? 

Will you consider adopting me?

[Rico1304]

Just now, YorkshireRed said:

Hedge hopping for kids today must be a nightmare. Security lights, CCTV etc. In my day all we had to worry about crossing a back lawn at the same time Rover the Alsatian was out doing his doings. 

Don’t forget about clothes lines! 

[Rico1304]

Just now, YorkshireRed said:

Will you consider adopting me?

I’ve got my eye on adopting your neighbour. 

[YorkshireRed]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

Don’t forget about clothes lines! 

True, those could be hazardous. 

[s(k)aturation]

1 minute ago, YorkshireRed said:

Hedge hopping for kids today must be a nightmare. Security lights, CCTV etc. In my day all we had to worry about crossing a back lawn at the same time Rover the Alsatian was out doing his doings. 

 

Getting shot at by squires in Kent was no picnic either.

 

 

[SasaS]

14 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

Yeah, but no Chetniks, Churchills, Titos, Ustashi or Partizans to inspire us.

Only Seinfeld re-re-re-runs.

 

 

I can understand people in the vulnerable category who suddenly found themselves in real, palpable existential danger, or people who lost their jobs (I think you mentioned something your job was under pressure if I remember correctly), and overall fear of the pandemic, but once it became clear it will not wipe out the human race or destroy the society - it became mostly a nuisance and an economic problem.

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

My daughter is 9. She will be wealthier than me, she’ll live longer than me. She won’t have to save to buy her first house or get in debt to go to university.  She’s already been abroad about 20 times and spent half term in the Maldives.  That enough? 

So we can assume an inheritance will be a huge factor in the "betterness" of her life.

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

So we can assume an inheritance will be a huge factor in the "betterness" of her life.

Well we’ve agreed she’ll benefit from improvements in healthcare, she’ll also have money.  So what’s left?  
 

Every metric points to life getting better for more people across the globe.   Millions of people are being lifted out of poverty. If you want to believe life is getting worse because gas has gone up I can’t help you. 

[s(k)aturation]

20 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I can understand people in the vulnerable category who suddenly found themselves in real, palpable existential danger, or people who lost their jobs (I think you mentioned something your job was under pressure if I remember correctly), and overall fear of the pandemic, but once it became clear it will not wipe out the human race or destroy the society - it became mostly a nuisance and an economic problem.

 

I live in the most locked-down city in the world.

I think it has affected people enormously.

My 10 and 14-year-old kids for example... who have lost two years of their education, social development... for whatever that's worth.

My 78yo Mum, who's experienced unprecedented isolation... compared, for instance, with the togetherness and familial camaraderie she had in her infancy with her family, even as displaced persons in World War 2.

"Existential" ain't as basic as it was even 70 years ago.

It's been shit I think.

My job "loss" has been the least of problems.

And as I've mentioned elsewhere, ageism - not the pandemic - is a much greater economic threat to the rank and file like me as we advance in years.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

Well we’ve agreed she’ll benefit from improvements in healthcare, she’ll also have money.  So what’s left?  

Happiness? I think it goes health, wealth and happiness. To the point we have been discussing, unless you are a self made millionaire we can assume you didn't have to save to buy a house or get in debt to go to school either.

 

I agree that the quality of life is improving globally - it is doing so as both the US and the UK's % of Global GDP is shrinking. Not sure you are correct about the levels of poverty decreasing in those two countries tbh.

 

In any case I wish her all the best.

[s(k)aturation]

18 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

So we can assume an inheritance will be a huge factor in the "betterness" of her life.

Rico's news that my kids won't need to save money to buy a house has cheered me up no end.

 

I'll ask about that at my local branch next week.

 

This changes everything.

 

What a time to be alive.