Alternative 'rona thread

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 minutes ago, Iceman said:

So if they did consider mutations, why push the vaccine as the passport to freedom. A mutation is an obvious parameter waiting to happen. Perhaps we are to expect a new vaccine for each mutation? $$$$$

The vaccines first developed offer significant protection against most variants. Omicron is a specifically tricksy little fucker, hence the need for a booster. 

 

You know the way the flu virus varies every year, so different flu vaccines are developed and administered (thereby saving millions of lives)? That. That's what was always anticipated with the Coronavirus.

[Iceman]

Nope. It was sold to you as a passport to freedom. Get back to normal. 

Then the efficacy started dropping quicker than a strippers g string and all of a sudden it was booster talk. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Iceman said:

Nope. 

Nope?

[Iceman]

Yup. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

OK.

[Iceman]

Classic big pharma bait and switch. 

[Iceman]

I'm sure the next booster will sort it all out though. 

[Iceman]

These guys.

 

WASHINGTON – American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. (hereinafter together "Pfizer") have agreed to pay $2.3 billion, the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products, the Justice Department announced today.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Iceman said:

Classic big pharma bait and switch. 

You're in the US, right? Maybe you were sold wildly exaggerated claims about one shot putting an end to the virus, but in the UK (and, I assume, any other halfway sane countries) the message was always that the virus would do what viruses do and the vaccines would do what vaccines do.

[Pureblood]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The vaccines first developed offer significant protection against most variants. Omicron is a specifically tricksy little fucker, hence the need for a booster. 

 

You know the way the flu virus varies every year, so different flu vaccines are developed and administered (thereby saving millions of lives)? That. That's what was always anticipated with the Coronavirus.

But this is the same vaccine which produces the original Wuhan spike protein versus the Omicron variant with its dozens of mutations. It's a complete mismatch.  

 

The vaccine hasn't been adapted for Omicron. 

[Iceman]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You're in the US, right? Maybe you were sold wildly exaggerated claims about one shot putting an end to the virus, but in the UK (and, I assume, any other halfway sane countries) the message was always that the virus would do what viruses do and the vaccines would do what vaccines do.

You are aware of course that the definition of Vaccine was changed. Why did they need to do that? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Pureblood said:

But this is the same vaccine which produces the original Wuhan spike protein versus the Omicron variant with its dozens of mutations. It's a complete mismatch.  

 

The vaccine hasn't been adapted for Omicron. 

No. Which is why its efficacy is greatly diminished against Omicron; which is why research is underway to tweak the vaccines accordingly.

[Iceman]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No. Which is why its efficacy is greatly diminished against Omicron; which is why research is underway to tweak the vaccines accordingly.

You're getting the same unchanged juice you got in the first shot. Just more of it. If mutation is the reason it's not effective, why take it to combat a mutation? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Iceman said:

You are aware of course that the definition of Vaccine was changed. Why did they need to do that? 

I've heard it mentioned that the FDA did something like that. I've no idea what they did or why. What explanation did they give?

[Pureblood]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No. Which is why its efficacy is greatly diminished against Omicron; which is why research is underway to tweak the vaccines accordingly.

So what's the point of the boosters?  We could have given them do vulnerable people in poorer countries instead.  Greedy piggies in the vaccine trough. 

[Iceman]

 

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I've heard it mentioned that the FDA did something like that. I've no idea what they did or why. What explanation did they give?

 

Do your own research. It may lead you to ask previously unconsidered questions and arrive at new viewpoints. If I spoon feed it to you, you'll just spit it out. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Iceman said:

Do your own research. It may lead you to ask previously unconsidered questions and arrive at new viewpoints. If I spoon feed it to you, you'll just spit it out. 

Have you done your research? Have you asked the FDA why they changed the definition?

 

Honestly, I've neither the time nor inclination to do any research into administrative changes in foreign health authorities. I'm more concerned with doing my own research into how dangerous the virus is and how best to protect ourselves against it.

[Iceman]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Have you done your research? Have you asked the FDA why they changed the definition?

 

Honestly, I've neither the time nor inclination to do any research into administrative changes in foreign health authorities. I'm more concerned with doing my own research into how dangerous the virus is and how best to protect ourselves against it.

Yeah right, you live on here like it's your job. You've got the time. 

[Pureblood]

Go on, Angry, find out why. You never know where the journey will take you.

 

Changing the definition of a vaccine? In the middle of a pandemic/mass vaccination program? That can't be right. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

So what's the point of the boosters?  We could have given them do vulnerable people in poorer countries instead.  Greedy piggies in the vaccine trough. 

The boosters have been proven to offer significantly more protection against Omicron than the initial double-dose vaccines on their own. (Different vaccines and different combinations have been found to have different levels of efficacy.)

 

Vaccine patents should have been made available to people in poorer countries - especially places like India, which have the infrastructure to make huge quantities of generic medicines and vaccines - if only to slow the development of further variants.

[Iceman]

India govt won't buy Pfizer, Moderna vaccines

The Indian government has also declined to meet the U.S. companies' requests for legal protection over any side-effects from the use of their shots

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-govt-wont-buy-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-amid-local-output-sources-2021-09-21/

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Yeah right, you live on here like it's your job. You've got the time. 

 

2 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Go on, Angry, find out why. You never know where the journey will take you.

 

Changing the definition of a vaccine? In the middle of a pandemic/mass vaccination program? That can't be right. 

I genuinely couldn't be arsed. I can't even be bothered to find out what it's changed from, what it's changed to, or when it changed. There are more important and interesting things going on in this pandemic - and there are other things in life.

 

What is the change and what reason does the FDA give?

[Iceman]

4 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Go on, Angry, find out why. You never know where the journey will take you.

 

Changing the definition of a vaccine? In the middle of a pandemic/mass vaccination program? That can't be right. 

 

I agree. Angry needs to do some research and let us know his findings. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Iceman said:

 

I agree. Angry needs to do some research and let us know his findings. 

Nah. American admin? Norrarsed.

[Iceman]

Paralyzed by the fear of being wrong.