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I for one am devastated about having to eat and drink more than once in my life.  Don’t get me on to suntan lotion. 
 

Fucking soft arses. 

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Would the NHS be better placed to deal with covid if there was no vaccine? Would fewer people died if there was no vaccine?

 

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2 minutes ago, A Red said:

Would the NHS be better placed to deal with covid if there was no vaccine? Would fewer people died if there was no vaccine?

 

Have you not heard the latest. The vaccine has no impact anyway. 

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6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Have you not heard the latest. The vaccine has no impact anyway. 

Ah right then, I'm sure one of the clever cool kids can explain how many deaths could have been saved if we were all as intelligent as them and swerved the vaccine.

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I suspect that it won't ever be a case of "eradicating" Covid and that the best we can hope for is learning to live with it (and its successors) as we've had to live with the successors of the Spanish Flu.

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

 

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17 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I suspect that it won't ever be a case of "eradicating" Covid and that the best we can hope for is learning to live with it (and its successors) as we've had to live with the successors of the Spanish Flu.

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

 

Yeah.

To get rid of it for good you'd need:

a) second generation vaccine (probably an injection and nasal spray combo) that could provide better efficacy against infection.

b) enough of the world's population to be vaccinated all at the same time to prevent a big pool of virus and therefore mutations that can evade some of the vaccine effectiveness.

 

The first thing is probably doable, but will likely take a few years.

Second is very difficult as COVID is everywhere, and vaccine nationalism is running rampant, rather than a co-ordinated global response.  Also supply chain difficulties, and pharma companies refusing to share IP with developed nations to maximise profits instead of maximising human health.  The US and EU are right behind them too, the capitalist knobs.

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8 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I suspect that it won't ever be a case of "eradicating" Covid and that the best we can hope for is learning to live with it (and its successors) as we've had to live with the successors of the Spanish Flu.

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

 

You don’t hope, you just do it. Learning to live with it is how it should be looked at in my opinion. It’s been clear since the end of the first lockdown that this wasn’t going away. 
 

 

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10 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I suspect that it won't ever be a case of "eradicating" Covid and that the best we can hope for is learning to live with it (and its successors) as we've had to live with the successors of the Spanish Flu.

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

 

I'm sure people pointed this out ages ago in the other thread and got ridiculed for suggesting anything like this.... 

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49 minutes ago, Hasta la vista shithouse cunts said:

I'm sure people pointed this out ages ago in the other thread and got ridiculed for suggesting anything like this.... 

I wouldn't know. Not sure why anyone would get ridiculed; like Skiddy says, it's been clear for a long time that that's the likeliest long-term outcome.

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3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

DELTA OMICRON is an anagram of "erotic almond".

 

Makes you think, eh.

Only attacks soft cells 

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(CNN) When people got reinfected with Covid-19, their odds of ending up in the hospital or dying were 90% lower than an initial Covid-19 infection, according to a new study.


The study published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine found that there were few confirmed reinfections among 353,326 people who got Covid-19 in Qatar, and the re-infections were rare and generally mild.

The first wave of infections in Qatar struck between March and June of 2020. In the end about 40% of the population had detectable antibodies against Covid-19. The country then had two more waves from January through May of 2021. This was prior to the more infectious delta variant.

To determine how many people got reinfected, scientists from Weill Cornell Medicine-Qatar compared the records of people with PCR-confirmed infections between February of 2020 and April 2021. They excluded 87,547 people who got the vaccine.

Researchers found that among the remaining cases there were 1,304 reinfections. The median time between the first illness and reinfection was about 9 months.

Among those with reinfections, there were only four cases severe enough that they had to go to the hospital. There were no cases where people were sick enough that they needed to be treated in the intensive care unit. Among the initial cases, 28 were considered critical. There were no deaths among the reinfected group, while there were seven deaths in the initial infections.

"When you have only 1,300 reinfections among that many people, and four cases of severe disease, that's pretty remarkable," said John Alcorn, an expert in immunology and a professor of pediatrics at the University of Pittsburgh who was not affiliated with this study.

The study has limits. It was done in Qatar, so it's not clear if the virus would behave the same way anywhere else. The work was done when the alpha and beta variant were the cause of many re-infections. There were 621 cases where it was undetermined and 213 from a "wild type" virus. There was no mention of the delta variant, which is now the predominant strain. That could have an impact on the number of reinfections.

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/24/health/covid-19-reinfection-is-rare-severe-disease-rarer/index.html

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VAERS is a crucial monitoring system that helps both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration spot problems with vaccines early on.

 

The CDC on Dec. 3 released the new data which show a total of 927,740 reports of adverse events following Covid vaccines were submitted between Dec. 14, 2020, and Nov. 26, 2021.

 

Overall, 19,532 people have died from the Covid vaccines and 146,720 suffered serious injuries as a result of the jab, according to VAERS.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

1. It's the Daily Mail

2. It's still way fucking higher than 0%

 

Excellent reading comprehension SoggyPlop. Yes it is the Daily Mail. 

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3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

What are you taking from that? 

 

I think it's more evidence that it's not a good idea to scapegoat the unvaccinated if there's a lot of them that have previously had covid.

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