Migrants

[Gnasher]

46 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Quite simply outstanding. 
 

“is it snowing there?”

 

”vera lynn sang we’ll meet again and Paris Hilton’s got a chubby fanny” 

No Vera Lynn songs in the Bevan foundation Merthyr Tydfil. Just a bit of good ol fashioned socialism. 

 

"Expanding the provision of Free School Meals in Wales - Bevan Foundation" https://www.bevanfoundation.org/resources/expanding-the-provision-of-free-school-meals-in-wales/

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

No Vera Lynn songs in the Bevan foundation Merthyr Tydfil. Just a bit of good ol fashioned socialism. 

 

"Expanding the provision of Free School Meals in Wales - Bevan Foundation" https://www.bevanfoundation.org/resources/expanding-the-provision-of-free-school-meals-in-wales/

 

 

You're not denying his claim about Paris Hilton's chubby fanny?

[Bjornebye]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Not showing in a place that is making steps to eradicate child poverty, hunger, malnutrition by passing a law that gives every young school kid in Wales hot meals.

 

"The Labour Market Effects of Immigration - Migration Observatory - The Migration Observatory" https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

 

Read the report, do the poor people who have taken the brunt no longer count?

 

 

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

No Vera Lynn songs in the Bevan foundation Merthyr Tydfil. Just a bit of good ol fashioned socialism. 

 

"Expanding the provision of Free School Meals in Wales - Bevan Foundation" https://www.bevanfoundation.org/resources/expanding-the-provision-of-free-school-meals-in-wales/

 

 

Dogs prefer haddock warmed up 

[Gnasher]

8 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You're not denying his claim about Paris Hilton's chubby fanny?

No denying that one.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

What have we become?*

 

* answer: a country full of cunts. 

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

On 27/11/2021 at 22:39, Captain Howdy said:

How do you know what people believe? Who the fuck are you? You’re just a voter with a life exactly the same as every other voter. The arrogance is breathtaking 

Arrogance? The proof is there for all to see. Unless another party,Labour or Greens,can make inroads into media control then we are not going to change anything. 

[VladimirIlyich]

On 28/11/2021 at 06:37, CapeRed said:

This is an argument you can't win. People who did not vote for Brexit think that people who did are idiots/ racists.They are not prepared to look at any other poasible reasons.

What were the 'genuine' reasons for it? I'm very happy to listen to them.

[Jairzinho]

44 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

What were the 'genuine' reasons for it? I'm very happy to listen to them.

Decades of being ignored by the Labour party. Towns up and down the country looking like Detroit. A complete disinterest or annoyance at the focus on social policies. The complexity of left wing positions compared to those on the right.

 

Couple all of this with the worst media in western europe and you have the perfect conditions for some right wing bullshit. Some simplistic ideas that many people were primed to believe. Many of the people who did/do so are indeed complete idiots. But it shouldn't have ever got to this point. These people should have been represented by the Labour Party, and they haven't been. Hence many people who should be voting Labour don't, and should have voted remain but didn't.

 

They rolled the dice, because they felt they had fuck all to lose. As incorrect as they were.

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Torres said:

What have we become?*

 

* answer: a country full of cunts. 

 

 

Not sure what happened here. 

 

I meant to post this link. 

 

https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/people/hastings-rnli-lifeboat-crew-blocked-from-going-out-to-sea-by-people-angry-at-them-rescuing-refugees-3475179

[Harry's Lad]

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[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Not sure what happened here. 

 

I meant to post this link. 

 

https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/people/hastings-rnli-lifeboat-crew-blocked-from-going-out-to-sea-by-people-angry-at-them-rescuing-refugees-3475179

The one you did post was far more entertaining.

[Bjornebye]

17 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Not sure what happened here. 

 

I meant to post this link. 

 

https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/people/hastings-rnli-lifeboat-crew-blocked-from-going-out-to-sea-by-people-angry-at-them-rescuing-refugees-3475179

That’s absolutely disgusting. The police should arrest them all for endangering lives. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

16 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Not sure what happened here. 

 

I meant to post this link. 

 

https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/people/hastings-rnli-lifeboat-crew-blocked-from-going-out-to-sea-by-people-angry-at-them-rescuing-refugees-3475179

No doubt there are vile cunts galore, whipped up by racists and liars in politics and the media, but that link also talks about the decent people, who help the living and memorialise the dead.

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Decades of being ignored by the Labour party. Towns up and down the country looking like Detroit. A complete disinterest or annoyance at the focus on social policies. The complexity of left wing positions compared to those on the right.

 

Couple all of this with the worst media in western europe and you have the perfect conditions for some right wing bullshit. Some simplistic ideas that many people were primed to believe. Many of the people who did/do so are indeed complete idiots. But it shouldn't have ever got to this point. These people should have been represented by the Labour Party, and they haven't been. Hence many people who should be voting Labour don't, and should have voted remain but didn't.

 

They rolled the dice, because they felt they had fuck all to lose. As incorrect as they were.

 

 

They felt let down by the labour party moving to the centre so they voted in someone even more right wing?

 

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No doubt there are vile cunts galore, whipped up by racists and liars in politics and the media, but that link also talks about the decent people, who help the living and memorialise the dead.

But you are obviously in the wrong for pointing out they are vile cunrsm

[Jairzinho]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

They felt let down by the labour party moving to the centre so they voted in someone even more right wing?

 

Not everyone sees everything in terms of right or left wing.

 

Also, although I don't subscribe to the notion that left and right wing doesn't really exist - to some extent the horseshoe theory has merit, generally speaking - I think social and economic views are quite distinct for a lot of people.

 

One of Labour's biggest challenges is/was trying to get people with right wing social views and left wing economics views to vote for them whilst at the same time trying to get people with left wing social views and right wing economics views to also do so. 

 

The Tories pounce on this. At different times, and even at the same time occasionally, pretending to represent them. So David Cameron realised if you pretended to be slightly more left wing on social policies (which frankly he simply didn't give a fuck about) you could crush the Lib Dems and remove a lot of "city" Labour votes. Johnson does the opposite. He pretends to be a man of the people and "lad", and makes racist jokes, so he grabs another demographic.

 

[Arniepie]

6 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Not everyone sees everything in terms of right or left wing.

 

Also, although I don't subscribe to the notion that left and right wing doesn't really exist - to some extent the horseshoe theory has merit, generally speaking - I think social and economic views are quite distinct for a lot of people.

 

One of Labour's biggest challenges is/was trying to get people with right wing social views and left wing economics views to vote for them whilst at the same time trying to get people with left wing social views and right wing economics views to also do so. 

 

The Tories pounce on this. At different times, and even at the same time occasionally, pretending to represent them. So David Cameron realised if you pretended to be slightly more left wing on social policies (which frankly he simply didn't give a fuck about) you could crush the Lib Dems and remove a lot of "city" Labour votes. Johnson does the opposite. He pretends to be a man of the people and "lad", and makes racist jokes, so he grabs another demographic.

 

I agree with the leaving behind theory, especially during the Blair years,I think big chunks of the north were largely ignored.

I just cant then understand the logic of voting in a party who in recent living memory,have made you considerably worse off.

I do think issues around immigration played a part and the tories certainly tapped into this like you say.

[Captain Willard]

I’ve posted this before but I think immigration is a primitive emotional issue, back to caveman resisting incomers because of a fear of disease. The numbers involved are tiny in relation to the general population of the UK and most of us will never encounter somebody who came in on a little boat. That said it dominates the political agenda and mps get more letters about this than anything else. It’s a weird psychological phenomenon, like the petrol crisis and before that the mass hysteria re Dianna. The British public getting hysterical about something that doesn’t effect most of us at all. 

[Jairzinho]

37 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I agree with the leaving behind theory, especially during the Blair years,I think big chunks of the north were largely ignored.

I just cant then understand the logic of voting in a party who in recent living memory,have made you considerably worse off.

I do think issues around immigration played a part and the tories certainly tapped into this like you say.

Many people aren't applying logic. They're told every day that the enemy is the immigrant, the public sector worker, the old, the young, the muslim, whoever. And they don't have the time or inclination to question it. 

 

 

[Jairzinho]

30 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

The British public getting hysterical about something that doesn’t effect most of us at all. 

[Creator Supreme]

7 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

That one in the bottom right is a beauty! Bloody foreigners coming over here, looking after us when we're ill, bastards!

[Strontium]

40 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

The British public getting hysterical about something that doesn’t effect most of us at all. 

 

Seems to be the default mode for most.

[Arniepie]

14 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Many people aren't applying logic. They're told every day that the enemy is the immigrant, the public sector worker, the old, the young, the muslim, whoever. And they don't have the time or inclination to question it. 

 

 

Agreed

Especially when its pushed by both the media and the government. 

Though that takes us back to an informed electorate  

[Arniepie]

14 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

It really is a hateful rag isnt it?

It spits bile at immigrants, the poor,benefits claimants, unions, the left,anyone who dares to go on strike and off course the woke brigade.

 

[CapeRed]

3 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

What were the 'genuine' reasons for it? I'm very happy to listen to them.

I wouldnt know mate I dont live there and didnt vote but its very clear going by social media that people believe they only voted leave because they were anti immigrant racist tories. I did however see a piece on fisherman who voted leave because of fishing quotas and EU controls. I have no views on it personally as whatever happens I will never be there to feel the effects whether good or bad.