Steven Gerrard - Aston Villa Manager

[No2 1,678]

Rangers and Villa are non entity's outside the UK. Within the UK Rangers are a far bigger club than Villa, they have 2 Cities where half the population live for the club, they have hundreds of thousands of football supporters who would rank them as their 2nd/Scottish club. Villa haven't been able to regularly fill their ground for 17 or 18 of the last 20 years.

[VladimirIlyich 9,502]

1 hour ago, No2 said:

Rangers and Villa are non entity's outside the UK. Within the UK Rangers are a far bigger club than Villa, they have 2 Cities where half the population live for the club, they have hundreds of thousands of football supporters who would rank them as their 2nd/Scottish club. Villa haven't been able to regularly fill their ground for 17 or 18 of the last 20 years.

Villa are former European Champions and English League Champions. Both those things are far more prestigious than anything Rangers have ever won.

[Bjornebye 33,284]

12 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Villa are former European Champions and English League Champions. Both those things are far more prestigious than anything Rangers have ever won.

How can the English title be more prestigious to a Scottish club than the Scottish title? 

 

Fucking hell. 

[TheHowieLama 12,940]

47 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

How can the English title be more prestigious to a Scottish club than the Scottish title? 

 

Fucking hell. 

It's not. It is just more prestigious to everyone else in the world not in Scotland. 

Villa are a far better option for any owner, executive, manager, player or tea lady right now. That is without question.

[Bjornebye 33,284]

20 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

It's not. It is just more prestigious to everyone else in the world not in Scotland. 

Villa are a far better option for any owner, executive, manager, player or tea lady right now. That is without question.

Thats not the question though mate. They aren't a bigger club than r*ngers. 

[TheHowieLama 12,940]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Thats not the question though mate. They aren't a bigger club than r*ngers. 

Well, apparently there are a fair few who disagree historically.

 

They definitely are today.

[Bjornebye 33,284]

20 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Well, apparently there are a fair few who disagree historically.

 

They definitely are today.

They aren't. 

[VladimirIlyich 9,502]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

They aren't. 

How do you define bigger,given Villa's English titles and European Cup? It seems you are going on supporters over prestigious trophies. 

[Bjornebye 33,284]

2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

How do you define bigger,given Villa's English titles and European Cup? It seems you are going on supporters over prestigious trophies. 

Oh it's 'prestigious' trophies now. I'm pretty sure to a supporter of a Scottish side, the titles and cups up there are as prestigious down here. 

[Jairzinho 25,289]

3 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Rangers have been around for 149 years and have won 119 trophies if that helps put that into perspective.

They've won one that you would actually swap for a bag of wotsits.

[TheHowieLama 12,940]

PSG have been around for 51 years and have won 45 trophies. Impressive. Imagine what French folks think of those.

[VladimirIlyich 9,502]

19 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Oh it's 'prestigious' trophies now. I'm pretty sure to a supporter of a Scottish side, the titles and cups up there are as prestigious down here. 

Well you cant count Scottish titles and cups as prestigious as they are simply not comparable. The one major trophy Rangers have won is the Cup Winners Cup but Villa's European Cup trumps that.

[Bjornebye 33,284]

8 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Well you cant count Scottish titles and cups as prestigious as they are simply not comparable. The one major trophy Rangers have won is the Cup Winners Cup but Villa's European Cup trumps that.

Mate, I don't know if you are aware but Scottish teams can't win the english league so their title is as prestigious to them as the english league is to an english side. 

[Jairzinho 25,289]

SP Tre Penne are rightly proud of their four San Marino league titles but frankly no-one has heard of the cunts.

 

If you're measuring the size of a club, at this level, then their trophies need to be prestigious to people outside that country.

[Jairzinho 25,289]

Fuck knows if Aston Villa are a bigger club than Rangers though.

 

You'd be tempted to say seven league titles, seven FA Cups, five league cups, and a European cup, would make them bigger, but to be fair they've won one of those league titles and one of those FA Cups in the last 100 years. 

 

They were almost certainly the biggest club in the country in the late 1800s. But bar one very good side in the mid 70s to early 80s, and other reasonable one in the mid 90s, they've largely been a bit shite since then.

 

I also can't help but feel that photo of those four absolute fucking helmets in a caravan having an anti-Gerrard party or whatever the fuck they were doing disqualifies them from being a big club.

[3 Stacks 3,364]

Celtic and Rangers are kind of irrelevant in modern football. Villa are as well but because they play in the Premier League, they have a potential springboard to relevancy. 

[Arniepie 613]

Thought he came across incredibly well in that press conference. 

Unlike the likes of the goblin he doesnt talk on cliches and came across as determined to do well

 

[Barrington Womble 10,741]

For the purposes of the debate about Gerrard, does it matter if Villa are historically bigger than rangers or vice versa? They're both big clubs. They've both won things. On a global scale they're both pretty irrelevant now and highly unlikely to change that no matter who is managing them. 

[VladimirIlyich 9,502]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Mate, I don't know if you are aware but Scottish teams can't win the english league so their title is as prestigious to them as the english league is to an english side. 

'To them' is the key phrase. Its irrelevant to most of the wider world of football though.

[cloggypop 11,752]

4 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Well you cant count Scottish titles and cups as prestigious as they are simply not comparable. The one major trophy Rangers have won is the Cup Winners Cup but Villa's European Cup trumps that.

Feyenoord have one European Cup and two UEFA Cups which is more than Rangers and Celtic combined. They are a massive club. In Rotterdam. 

[TheHowieLama 12,940]

8 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Feyenoord have one European Cup and two UEFA Cups which is more than Rangers and Celtic combined. They are a massive club. In Rotterdam. 

PSV has one of each as well.

[cloggypop 11,752]

3 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

 

I also can't help but feel that photo of those four absolute fucking helmets in a caravan having an anti-Gerrard party or whatever the fuck they were doing disqualifies them from being a big club.

Blerts On A Train

 

[cloggypop 11,752]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

PSV has one of each as well.

Massive in Eindhoven. 

[aws 7,983]

TNS have won eight league titles in ten years. Massive, massive club.  

[VladimirIlyich 9,502]

8 hours ago, aws said:

TNS have won eight league titles in ten years. Massive, massive club.  

I was going to use them as an example myself but thought it was a step too far.