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Remembering 9/11 - 20 Years On

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2 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Yeah, fully understand that bud. Just giving a counter argument to the denier's argument. The reality is cameras pointing at the sky isnt much use when you have radars and supposedly restricted air space. No one expected such an M.O. for an attack.

Yeah I suppose. The plane hit the pentagon over half an hour after the second plane had hit the south tower didn't it? They also knew they had a hijacked plane heading towards Washington DC. 

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On 09/09/2021 at 16:14, Mendoza said:

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Can't believe it's been 9 years since Danny Dyer tweeted about them slags smashing into the twin towers. 

 

It still freaks my nut out to this day

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On 09/09/2021 at 18:02, TD_LFC said:

Refer you to my first post.

 

I don't think the ultra HD clear footage you want will be there but you'll only see what they put out not necessarily what they have in totality. 

Surely they couldn't have confiscated every home video camera in the Washington area. There must have been something. That documentary onthe other night showed loads of families who recorded it themselves in NY.

 

It is pretty weird that there is no footage of the low flying plane at all.

 

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1 minute ago, Jennings said:

Surely they couldn't have confiscated every home video camera in the Washington area. There must have been something. That documentary onthe other night showed loads of families who recorded it themselves in NY.

 

It is pretty weird that there is no footage of the low flying plane at all.

 

Yep, as I've said above especially after two had already hit the twin towers. Although I guess the footage of the 2nd plane in Manhattan is because people were already filming the site anyway. There is only 1 actual video of the 1st plane (to my knowledge) and thats the firemen who were working a few bocks away filming themselves right in view of the north tower as the plane went overhead. Pure luck really. 

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Didn't the Navy or the FBI recently release a bunch of new info?

 

Anywhoo:

 

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Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

 

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43 minutes ago, Jennings said:

Surely they couldn't have confiscated every home video camera in the Washington area. There must have been something. That documentary onthe other night showed loads of families who recorded it themselves in NY.

 

It is pretty weird that there is no footage of the low flying plane at all.

 

New York is a tourist capital and it took place over a lifetime compared to at the pentagon, even then there's far more footage of the second plane than the first.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Jennings said:

Surely they couldn't have confiscated every home video camera in the Washington area. There must have been something. That documentary onthe other night showed loads of families who recorded it themselves in NY.

 

It is pretty weird that there is no footage of the low flying plane at all.

 

It really isnt weird there's not a lot of footage. Despite the time differences between the plane crashes, Im not convinced loads of people would be dashing to get their video cameras out and searching the skies instead of making sure their loved ones were close by them, or, holed up safe somewhere keeping their heads down and hoping for the best.

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27 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I think people forget real life isn’t CSI or James Bond.  

Enemy of the State is always my go to for absurdist government tech films.

 

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No one lives near the Pentagon - the closest a Normal Joe would have been was driving on the highway - at least a half a mile away. Just lacking that wee bit of a 2000 era auto focus camcorder you can use while driving cuz this is what your cell phone looked like.

 

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7 hours ago, J-V said:

Interesting the two fighter jets sent to “take down” UA93 had no weapons on board and were going to fly into the plane to destroy it.  Turns out the fighter jets would never have made it on time anyway if the passengers had not taken it down

 

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I know its obviously a fictionalised account but that United 93 is a cracking if harrowing film. 

There's a scene in United 93 where they discuss whether they can ram the planes and have the pilots eject.

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Quite something that Alberto Gonzales manages to come out of the documentary are perhaps the slimiest piece of shit interviewed. 

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The Firehouse Captain who’s just been on BBC Breakfast, himself a survivor of 9/11.

 

Thats what leadership looks like but, more importantly, what the best of humanity looks like.

 

RIP to all that lost their lives that day and thoughts with all those who were impacted in the years since. 

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9 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Quite something that Alberto Gonzales manages to come out of the documentary are perhaps the slimiest piece of shit interviewed. 

I thought it was clever how they just let him hang himself with his own words.

Apparently they hooded them to protect them from head injury.

I never knew that stuff about calling them detainees aswell.

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Second day of our florida holiday when this shit happened.

As you can imagine bar's and restaurants where very subdued.

The airport for the journey home turned everyone into a frightened racist. Which I guess is a terrorists main aim.

On reflection it has to be seen as one the most thought out acts of war.

Fahrenheit 9/11 by Michael  Moore is a stunning documentary film, pulls no punches. As he does with all his films.

 

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