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That England team is fucking pony all because of the manager. A decent manager would have that team winning games easily. 


Thankfully they have Southgate. 

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21 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

That England team is fucking pony all because of the manager. A decent manager would have that team winning games easily. 


Thankfully they have Southgate. 

Against the group teams they have played,most definitely. Their last 4 games have been three 1-0 wins and a 0-0 and even though I don't rate them they are capable of battering weak opposition,which they haven't come close to doing. I imagine Southgate is simply thinking 'Don't concede against the better sides and we might squeak through by the odd goal.' This is fair enough against France,Germany,Netherlands,Italy etc but pretty shocking against the likes of Romania,Estonia,Scotland,Czech Republic and so on.

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I have this theory that a lot of managers like Southgate are no good in international tournaments - they essentially focus upon developing teams that are 'difficult to beat' - which over the course of a season, accumulates enough points to finish anywhere between 14th and 8th. Catch them in a good year and they finish 8th and reach a final - and end up as England manager. But, the tournament needs managers who know how to win games and change tactics during a game - something these type of managers don't know how to do. 

 

Look at the cup records of Hodgson, Moyes, Allardyce etc. the odd cup run and the odd final but by and large early exits and piss poor records. Because they are not set up to win games. Southgate epitomises that - he would be Crystal Palace's manager - he would finish top 10, and that will be it. I think of Potter, Howe and how they play and it seems obvious that they would be a better option with these players. In the age of Pep, Klopp etc. the fact that the FA thought Allardyce was the coach for players who would be working with those top managers on a day to day basis speaks volumes about the idiocy of the FA. 

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2 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Kudos for the 7/10 lass but “Rampant” is somewhat of a stretch.

 

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They are getting desperate , fucking hate that rag 

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1 hour ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

That England team is fucking pony all because of the manager. A decent manager would have that team winning games easily. 


Thankfully they have Southgate. 

The insistence on playing Sterling is baffling. He's fucking shite and nullifies any decent attack. Granted his goal last night was decent, his run was perfect but by and large he just ruins attacking breaks. I bet Kane hates playing with him. 

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While they're not alone in it, I don't think England are helped by being the top seed in qualifying groups for the main tournaments. They generally can't handle the bigger games when they arrive. I'm not sure what a team and manager learn by beating Andorra and San Marino. 

 

Then there's a situation where they end up being booed by their own fans after the Scotland game, in a group stage that they end up finishing top in. This dynamic is undoubtedly damaging to them too.

 

Bale and Ramsey aside, Wales don't have the same quality, but I'd imagine team spirit is a thousand times better and players and manager aren't afflicted by the same overthinking and fearfulness as they know that their country has their backs. 

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7 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

While they're not alone in it, I don't think England are helped by being the top seed in qualifying groups for the main tournaments. They generally can't handle the bigger games when they arrive. I'm not sure what a team and manager learn by beating Andorra and San Marino. 

 

Then there's a situation where they end up being booed by their own fans after the Scotland game, in a group stage that they end up finishing top in. This dynamic is undoubtedly damaging to them too.

 

Bale and Ramsey aside, Wales don't have the same quality, but I'd imagine team spirit is a thousand times better and players and manager aren't afflicted by the same overthinking and fearfulness as they know that their country has their backs. 

It's the same set up for every country and the likes of France, Italy, Germany don't complain. England just can't perform on the big stage. When was the last time they beat a big side in a tournament? Argentina in Japan 2002 in the group stages from a Beckham penalty? 

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3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

It's the same set up for every country and the likes of France, Italy, Germany don't complain. England just can't perform on the big stage. When was the last time they beat a big side in a tournament? Argentina in Japan 2002 in the group stages from a Beckham penalty? 

Agree completely, but for whatever combination of reasons England can't beat big sides the way others can despite having some quality players and won't get practice at doing so again until the knock-out stages of the next tournament. They'll tear up San Marino, Latvia, Liechtenstein and Andorra in the qualifiers though.  

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1 hour ago, El Rojo said:

Agree completely, but for whatever combination of reasons England can't beat big sides the way others can despite having some quality players and won't get practice at doing so again until the knock-out stages of the next tournament. They'll tear up San Marino, Latvia, Liechtenstein and Andorra in the qualifiers though.  

As I say, look to the manager! England last beat big teams when they had a manager used to winning big games - Sven! Since then - McClaren, Capello, Hodgson, Allardyce and Gareth. Capello had never managed an International side though. These players play under Pep, Klopp, Simeone, Poch, etc. what the fuck does Gareth understand about that? 

 

1-1 against Germany in a Quarter final - what do you do next? I reckon, the answer isn't bring to Robbie Mustoe on! 

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Capello couldn't get a tune out of some of the best English players of all time. Proof that England can't hack it in the deep end. 

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18 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Capello couldn't get a tune out of some of the best English players of all time. Proof that England can't hack it in the deep end. 

It isn't really. He had one world cup - Venables, Robson, Hoddle had it - and built good teams. Sven went to Munich and won 5-1. 

 

It isn't 'the England' team. It is a lot deeper than that - I'd argue that Wenger gets this team into the later stages. There are champions league winners in this team - they can win big games. 

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1 hour ago, dandyman said:

So uefa tell Germany that they can’t colour their stadium in rainbow colours because it’s political 

 

whilst also colouring their own logo in rainbow colours

 

the levels at play here are baffling 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57579821

Maybe they want the be the only gay in the village.

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2 hours ago, dandyman said:

So uefa tell Germany that they can’t colour their stadium in rainbow colours because it’s political 

 

whilst also colouring their own logo in rainbow colours

 

the levels at play here are baffling 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57579821

 

UEFA and FIFA are awful at reading the room. Either that or they are kowtowing to whims of the regimes with backwards views because that's where all the money is coming from. This kind of thing is only going to go into overdrive for the next World Cup.

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23 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

UEFA and FIFA are awful at reading the room. Either that or they are kowtowing to whims of the regimes with backwards views because that's where all the money is coming from. This kind of thing is only going to go into overdrive for the next World Cup.

 

They don't give a shit about the room. It's all about appeasing regimes which are hostile to LGBQT people. 

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2 hours ago, dandyman said:

So uefa tell Germany that they can’t colour their stadium in rainbow colours because it’s political 

 

whilst also colouring their own logo in rainbow colours

 

the levels at play here are baffling 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57579821

The only colour UEFA care about is whatever currency they are being payed in

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Shocking pen. He didn’t have a long enough run up. The height was wrong as well.

spain have missed Their last 5 pens - fucking hell 

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Definite penalty, another good example of VAR use.

 

Morata is shite. I hope Spain come bottom and Thiago has a nice holiday.

 

Keep the countries with the most Man City, Chelsea & Man Utd players involved the longest.

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I know the word 'shit' is thrown around way too liberally, especially on online forums, but Morata is proper, proper shit.

 

 

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