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Sample size is big enough, to give it its due.

 

It would be better to see every penalty awarded, included. This is only from penalty shootouts

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Spain were at the point of needing to adapt away from tiki-taka football around about 2014. It was a system well suited to the midfielders they had at the time, and the key aspect of that set-up was to progress both the team and the ball up the pitch, keeping the ball away from opponents and pinning them back. When/if the opponents finally got it back, the set-up was designed to either win the ball back quickly or have the opponents be so knackered from chasing that they gave it away quickly anyway.

 

What Spain don't do now - and probably haven't done since their 2014 World Cup disaster, when they got knocked out at the group stage - is progress the ball well up the pitch with their possession football. It's possession football without purpose.

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28 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Asensio maybe. Isco, fucking no chance. He's done. Looks like a fat street guitarist now. Largely an absolute joke in Spain.

 

Nacho should have been in the squad, and I don't think Carvajal would have been left out had he been fit.

 

Aspas probably should have been in the squad rather than Traore who they are never going to play. Oyarzabal is a really good footballer though, and Moreno, Morata and Torres were always going to be selected. 

 

It's a pretty decent squad which Enrique is not getting much out of.

 

Azpilicueta should be at right back. Llorente is criminally wasted there, he got 12 league goals last season. Thiago should be playing instead of Pedri.

 

 

So you’re saying Arsenal should be plotting a £40m move for Isco this summer?

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I thought Renato Sanches looked class again today.  So strong in possession, and then quick with the ball at his feet to turn and move the team up the pitch.  And that shot, fuck. 

He'd be a perfect Gini replacement, and a Keita replacement. 

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14 hours ago, polymerpunkah said:

Setting aside the potential for hundreds or thousands of infections resulting from it, a full house does definitely add to the quality of a match, even watching on TV.

 

And occasionally, the quality of life needs to be weighed up against what is, at times - to lots of people I have met in my almost 55 years - the grim and cheerless pursuit of survival.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Pidge said:

It's the way the game has gone, but don't really agree with it. The defender has to try and win the ball, and they did (try). They didn't impede the attacker, and it wasn't particularly dangerous or reckless. But the attacker gets a second chance. 

 

It's not equitable, if the defender wants to make sure they get there first it probably would look a reckless challenge and they'd be walking as well as giving away a pen.

The reason it was given and most are under VAR is that its slowed down way beyond normal speed and everything looks like a foul when you do that. It was yet another nonsense decision using VAR. Lets also not forget the play acting of the player and those ridiculous football boots they wear with no protection. If shin pads must be worn then boots should have to offer protection also.

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14 hours ago, Elite said:

Having 4 3rd place teams qualify has completely ruined the group stages for me, feels like most of the games are a bit pointless, the knockout rounds can't come quick enough.

 

 

I've had another think about this - it's a slow news Sunday here in Oz - and am wondering whether the "excitement" of this system might be measured by how many teams, going into the 3rd round robin, are still facing possible elimination.

 

I can't be fagged working out the permutations, and couldn't, but I'm guessing at least 12 teams will go into that 3rd round still in danger of "the drop".

 

I guess that's "exciting"?

 

 

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38 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

I've had another think about this - it's a slow news Sunday here in Oz - and am wondering whether the "excitement" of this system might be measured by how many teams, going into the 3rd round robin, are still facing possible elimination.

 

I can't be fagged working out the permutations, and couldn't, but I'm guessing at least 12 teams will go into that 3rd round still in danger of "the drop".

 

I guess that's "exciting"?

 

 

England being one of them does give it some merit.

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10 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Asensio maybe. Isco, fucking no chance. He's done. Looks like a fat street guitarist now. Largely an absolute joke in Spain.

 

Nacho should have been in the squad, and I don't think Carvajal would have been left out had he been fit.

 

Aspas probably should have been in the squad rather than Traore who they are never going to play. Oyarzabal is a really good footballer though, and Moreno, Morata and Torres were always going to be selected. 

 

It's a pretty decent squad which Enrique is not getting much out of.

 

Azpilicueta should be at right back. Llorente is criminally wasted there, he got 12 league goals last season. Thiago should be playing instead of Pedri.

 

 

Llorente gives no option on the outside. He plays like a midfielder. Everything is so static. Made worse by both Moreno and Morata both playing.

Azpi RB, Koke DM instead of Rodri, bring Thiago to mf and play some forwards that can move. 

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10 hours ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

When Murphy said England wouldn't fear Spain, I thought you arrogant twat, not like the Spanish would be shitting themselves playing Ingerlund on their showings thus far. To be fair, the worst Spanish team I can remember in donkey's years.

 

Was great seeing Germany come good today. Listening to some pundits on these shores, you would think Germany were a shit Scunthorpe. You look at their team and full of absolute winners like Muller, Neuer, Kimmich and Kroos. 

 

He would have said the same when Spain were still quality. 

 

Standard English punditry, say good foreign teams are shire and the English side are better (whether club or country) and then slag them off when it turns out that the rest of the world maybe isn't actually shit.

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1 hour ago, Razoray said:

Llorente gives no option on the outside. He plays like a midfielder. Everything is so static. Made worse by both Moreno and Morata both playing.

Azpi RB, Koke DM instead of Rodri, bring Thiago to mf and play some forwards that can move. 

Moreno should be the striker. He got 30 goals last year playing for a team that plays decent football. 

 

Koke, Thiago, Llorente would be a good midfield. 

 

Aspas could have played on the right. I guess Oyarzabal I guess could do it. 

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3 hours ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

 

I guess that's "exciting"?

 

 


Given we’re now on the last round of group games and I think (I might be wrong) all 24 teams can still progress, would be classed as “exciting”. 

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I read something yesterday on why VAR has been so much better in the Euros. 
 

Apparently, they have a significant amount of VAR officials. One will look at penalties, one will look at red cards, one only look at offsides etc. 
 

Seems overkill but obviously is making it more efficient. 
 

Chief Nonce Mike Riley would take on board this feedback. He’ll make all games that kick off at the same time be VAR’d (ie 3pm games) by the same official because he clearly knows best. 

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1 hour ago, Scott_M said:


Given we’re now on the last round of group games and I think (I might be wrong) all 24 teams can still progress, would be classed as “exciting”. 

 

Yes, I have reconsidered my position.

 

I am enjoying the tournament a lot - as evidenced by the total bollocks I've been spouting, regularly, on this thread.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

I read something yesterday on why VAR has been so much better in the Euros. 
 

Apparently, they have a significant amount of VAR officials. One will look at penalties, one will look at red cards, one only look at offsides etc. 
 

Seems overkill but obviously is making it more efficient. 
 

Chief Nonce Mike Riley would take on board this feedback. He’ll make all games that kick off at the same time be VAR’d (ie 3pm games) by the same official because he clearly knows best. 

 

 

Obviously they went for a piss and Stockley Park filled in for the Lovren penalty?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Scott_M said:


Given we’re now on the last round of group games and I think (I might be wrong) all 24 teams can still progress, would be classed as “exciting”. 

North Macedonia are out I think

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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Denmark and Turkey I would imagine as well.

Just had a quick look and Denmark could even end up 2nd if they beat Russia handily and Belgium beat Finland.

 

If Turkey beat the Swiss they would be third , but have no idea how the best 4 of them are worked out. 

 

( even Alexander the Great's lot could technically come third but are slightly unlikely to hammer Holland and Tilburg )

 

 

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