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2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

People like this. No wonder the Tories have largely kept him away from the electorate during this campaign. 

 

Thats the one. Thats the working class tory voter right there. I laughed when I first watched that on the day then almost sank into a hole. Dog shit and foreigners. Thats it. "Brexit trade deals? What? I don't give a fuck about that just make sure that family across the street fuck off home" 

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1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

 

Really they should be two separate parties, and under a PR system they would be, and we probably wouldn't have a Tory government. But FPTP forces everyone into big tents, and this tent is bursting at the seams.

Could not agree more which is the single biggest reason I will never vote Lib Dem again (having done so in the past). 

 

Clegg had the ideal opportunity to change politics and representation of the ordinary working man when he agreed to a coalition with the Tories by insisting on PR as part of his agreement. He sold out and agreed to a pathetic compromise of the alternative vote fiasco. 

Having listened to and admired a lot of what Paddy Ashdown had to say regarding electoral reform, I genuinely thought Clegg would take his chance. He bottled it and destroyed his party doing so.

I live in a Tory stronghold (John Major ex MP) and felt genuinely dejected voting yesterday as I knew nothing would change no matter who I voted for. They could put a blue Rosette on a bin bag down here and sell it to the electorate on the on a manifesto of clearing up the rubbish and it would still get elected.

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2 minutes ago, Qwikage said:

Could not agree more which is the single biggest reason I will never vote Lib Dem again (having done so in the past). 

 

Clegg had the ideal opportunity to change politics and representation of the ordinary working man when he agreed to a coalition with the Tories by insisting on PR as part of his agreement. He sold out and agreed to a pathetic compromise of the alternative vote fiasco. 

Having listened to and admired a lot of what Paddy Ashdown had to say regarding electoral reform, I genuinely thought Clegg would take his chance. He bottled it and destroyed his party doing so.

I live in a Tory stronghold (John Major ex MP) and felt genuinely dejected voting yesterday as I knew nothing would change no matter who I voted for. They could put a blue Rosette on a bin bag down here and sell it to the electorate on the on a manifesto of clearing up the rubbish and it would still get elected.

 

If you don't want to vote Lib Dem, that's your business, but it should be for a real reason. PR was never, ever on the table during coalition discussions. It was always a non-starter, and even getting the halfway house of alternative vote took a major effort.

 

Arguably they should have walked away unless they got PR, but it would have looked like putting party concerns/obsessions over the "national interest". A no-win situation, essentially.

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1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

If you don't want to vote Lib Dem, that's your business, but it should be for a real reason. PR was never, ever on the table during coalition discussions. It was always a non-starter, and even getting the halfway house of alternative vote took a major effort.

 

Arguably they should have walked away unless they got PR, but it would have looked like putting party concerns/obsessions over the "national interest". A no-win situation, essentially.

 

"Lib dems" and "the national interest" in same sentence,

 

 

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3 hours ago, Gooch said:

The Hartlepool labour candidate was horrendous. A stanch remainer, who was in a committee to reduce local NHS services, not from local area (yes I know the conservative one wasn't either). Had to apologise for previous fucks ups before his feet even touched the ground. He alone encapsulated how Labour have learnt absolutely nothing.

And the mad thing is, he was a really good MP before he lost his seat to an absolute cunt.

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46 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

People like this. No wonder the Tories have largely kept him away from the electorate during this campaign. 

 

 

You say that but he went to Hartlepool three times and they were taking selfies with him and elbow bumping him. Short of footage of him marauding through a maternity ward with a flamethrower, I genuinely think the public have been conditioned to accept his corruption.

 

As Loki said in The Avengers - "You were made to be ruled."

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This isn't a normal year is it? Pandemic - lockdown - pandemic - lockdown - vaccine. The Government front and centre of all of it. I think Labour just need to get this out of the way - take the time to do the dirty washing and wait for the economy to tank and the cuts to bite. The Tories should have won Hartlepool in 2019 - It was the perfect seat for the Conservatives - they could not have chosen a more perfect seat for them to win. 

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2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

You say that but he went to Hartlepool three times and they were taking selfies with him and elbow bumping him. Short of footage of him marauding through a maternity ward with a flamethrower, I genuinely think the public have been conditioned to accept his corruption.

 

As Loki said in The Avengers - "You were made to be ruled."

Maybe they like the Conservatives, but don't like him? I never liked Corbyn but I happily (more or less) voted Labour. We really need to move beyond thinking people have something wrong with them because they vote Conservative. It's lazy and reductive - offers nothing, and solves nothing. 

 

It doesn't mean you abandon what you believe to appeal to them, but at least acknowledge why - maybe Labour will have to accept the red wall is not worth the hassle? I don't know - but, I've seen and heard far too many people on the left dismiss people voting conservative as some sort of deficiency and lack of intelligence. 

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To be fair, the Tories are leading the country back into the good times.  

 

It's getting warmer and sunnier.

More and more freedoms returning. 

Brexit has been delivered and we're not on fire. 

Throwing money at people and Councils and NHS. 

Two British clubs in the CL final. 

It's Clapham Ombudsman stuff. 

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1 minute ago, YorkshireRed said:

Fucking depressing state of affairs. I know it’s not fair, or indeed correct, to blame the stupidity of the British public but, man, the British public are stupid.

This is the same public that voted in 2017! 

 

Seriously - we need to get past this. You don't have to like it, but that isn't helpful. I know it is difficult - I'm sheltered in Liverpool. But, I'd like to win - and that isn't going to help you win! 

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5 minutes ago, Jockey said:

I don't know - but, I've seen and heard far too many people on the left dismiss people voting conservative as some sort of deficiency and lack of intelligence. 

 

The overwhelming perception I get from the left wing posters on here is that many of the working class are carling swigging, lonsdale wearing, chavvy, thick, selfish, Ingurland supporting, flag shagging racist cunts. They are to be sneered at and looked down upon. 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, A Red said:

 

The overwhelming perception I get from the left wing posters on here is that many of the working class are carling swigging, lonsdale wearing, chavvy, thick, selfish, Ingurland supporting, flag shagging racist cunts. They are to be sneered at and looked down upon. 

 

 

 

It is the Football fanning of politics - ably abetted by the echo chamber that Twitter offers - I think? Twitter is the worst thing that has happened to politics in this country - people - and I think the left have been the worst for this - retreat to their echo chamber. Send a tweet - get likes from their followers and think everything is fine. 

 

I'm surprised Liverpool fans can't see the reasons why being British/English is embraced. We have our identify - we are Scouse, proud and we know who we are. These towns outside the Cities are all the fucking same, shit pubs, shit nightlife, no jobs, no prospects. Being English offers them something to identify with. 

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6 minutes ago, Jockey said:

This is the same public that voted in 2017! 

 

Seriously - we need to get past this. You don't have to like it, but that isn't helpful. I know it is difficult - I'm sheltered in Liverpool. But, I'd like to win - and that isn't going to help you win! 

Yes, I know. I’m just well fucked off today. Can’t see things changing for decades. I’m not arsed about me (well maybe a bit) but I want my kids to live in a better society than the one we have today. 

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Just now, YorkshireRed said:

Yes, I know. I’m just well fucked off today. Can’t see things changing for decades. I’m not arsed about me (well maybe a bit) but I want my kids to live in a better society than the one we have today. 

I know! It is a pisser how the luck seems to be with them - but, there are I think a few shocks around the corner. And I do think that maybe getting this out of the way early - emphasises how tough the job is. Hopefully the lessons are learned. 

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6 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

This. It's a narrative that says the proles are too stupid to vote for what we, the educated elite, know is best for them. It's astonishing to witness. 

 

I agree. I didn't like Blair, but I liked having a Labour government. I don't think all the problems Labour are facing now - are all the fault of Corbyn etc. these were obvious in 2015 as well. But I do think Corbynism created and cultivated a sizeable sneering section of the left. Who seem so self-centred they can't see what damage they are doing. 

 

I'd also add - that this goes for Brexit as well. There are lots of people who voted leave who are not jingoistic, and who vote conservative who are not Tories. The likes of Toby Young, Dan Hodge and Julie Brewer Fucker - annoy them as well. 

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I'm sure many of the left will also sneer at salesmen but it is someone that can sell that is needed. Someone who can at least pretend to like their country who talks about peoples aspirations and who recognises what they actually are.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gooch said:

 

Or maybe they see through the bullshit when said doctor was influential in cutting local services in the area, couple  that with being a staunch remainer who wanted a second referendum and you have recipe for another disaster. Labour just expected people to blindly vote for him because he's in the NHS, forgetting everything else. Labour shockingly, completely misread the situation. Funny how the big thickos in Hartlepool saw straight through it though. Almost as if they aren't as dumb as some are so desperate to think.

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Same goes for Liverpool by the way - I voted for Stephen Yip. I had no intention for voting for Joanne Anderson, even though I was aware of how symbolic her standing was. Labour were not getting by vote after Joe. 

 

If you live in Hartlepool and it is full of thick, dull, gammons - why shouldn't they think 'we've had a Labour MP for 40 years and nothings changed'. As John Harris said the other day - we often think of middle-class, educated voters as having a complex thought process in voting - but baulk when working class do the same. If you don't know why they voted, you'll never get their vote. It isn't difficult. 

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31 minutes ago, A Red said:

 

The overwhelming perception I get from the left wing posters on here is that many of the working class are carling swigging, lonsdale wearing, chavvy, thick, selfish, Ingurland supporting, flag shagging racist cunts. They are to be sneered at and looked down upon. 

 

 

 

Spot on. Although I'm personally not quite yet seen in such high regard.

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What I really want, what I need, the posh, highly educated socialists of the Canary telling me why a white van man in Hartlepool doesn't vote Labour. Because that will give me all of the answers to Labour's election failings, just not in the way they think they do.

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17 minutes ago, Jockey said:

If you don't know why they voted, you'll never get their vote. It isn't difficult. 

Depressingly, the response to this will probably be Labour HQ circling the wagons ever-tighter and excluding the working class activists up and down the country who have the best idea of what the voters in their communities need. CLPs actually going out and working with their local community (in between elections) and then having a say in policy and candidate choices all seems a bit too, y'know, democratic Socialist, and we can't be having that.

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11 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Depressingly, the response to this will probably be Labour HQ circling the wagons ever-tighter and excluding the working class activists up and down the country who have the best idea of what the voters in their communities need. CLPs actually going out and working with their local community (in between elections) and then having a say in policy and candidate choices all seems a bit too, y'know, democratic Socialist, and we can't be having that.

True - and I kind of agree. But, I don't think it is as simple as that - look at Liverpool what is relevant and important in Woolton, is not in Walton! Imagine trying to get consensus from Hartlepool, Cardiff, Truro, Bristol, London! Not all Labour supporters are working class, and not all Labour wards are working class. There does seem to be some evidence of an educational divide - which will fuck the Tories up moving forward. Labour may find that winning again is not about strongholds but small gains here and there throughout the country. 

 

There are so many falsehoods flying about at the moment. Not just the working class are thick and Tories, but also conversely - London is posh and middle-class! It fucking isn't - some of the most deprived areas in the country are in London. Labour is still strong in Cities where some of the worst poverty is. There are loads of Tories who will be looking at Hartlepool and the people of Hartlepool and be thinking 'why are my taxes going on their free port, steel industry etc'. 

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