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43 minutes ago, Dynamite said:

Wonder how many of the 'Little 14' would get behind this...?

 

West Ham boss calls for a unified British competition

 

David Moyes believes the failure of the breakaway European Super League (ESL) provides an opportunity to consider a unified British competition instead.

 

The Premier League's 'big six' all withdrew from the ESL on Tuesday following resistance to the plans.

 

However, Moyes believes league reform is still needed and suggested a Premier League II - which includes Rangers and Celtic - could be an option.

 

"Change is needed in some way," said the West Ham boss.

 

"I think the Premier League has a brilliant product, I really do, but at the top clubs you're talking about too many games, so could we have Premier League I and Premier League II?

 

"Could we have a situation where we do invite Rangers and Celtic to Premier League II? Why can we not unite the UK? Why do we have to be England and Scotland and not unite it?

 

"Why can it not be a pyramid that allows teams in the Scottish leagues to get into Premier League II? In fact, I think actually more money would filter down if Rangers and Celtic could be given an opportunity to come in."

 

Moyes also believes that such a reform could also help alleviate packed fixture schedules that many clubs competing in numerous competitions are having to contend with.

 

The Scot added: "Why not try and make what we have got something new and maybe take a few less teams, maybe two out of the Premier League and put in Premier League II, and we have a few extra weeks.

 

"The big clubs have got such a big programme, and I can only see with the new programmes them getting so many more games, and it is getting too tough to play too many games."

 

 

So, Moyes wants his club to get more money from 2 clubs that are significantly bigger than his own club, while destroying Scottish football in the process. #InItTogether

 

Good thing fans won't need to travel as much, eh Divhead...? Fucking clown.

 

I've heard worse ideas, to be honest.

 

Why would it destroy Scottish football?  

 

It would at least give teams other than Celtic and Rangers a chance of winning things in Scotland, for starters.  It might actually make the rank and file of Scottish football a body of competitive teams, not just a two-team football country.

 

Aberdeen have won a European Trophy, Dundee United have made the semi-finals of the European Cup. There's Hearts and Hibs... and then a bunch of also rans whose fans might suddenly have hope of a sniff of silverware, or heaven forbid, a run in Europe.

 

And adding Celtic and Rangers into the mix of the "bottom half" of an EPL tier would give it zest too.

 

It's fashionable to loathe and belittle Moyes, I know, but I actually think it's a much better "local, grassroots fans" idea than an ESL.

 

 

 

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On 22/04/2021 at 22:27, dockers_strike said:

Yes, it really can. It's 14 votes to get anything changed or accepted by the PL so Im sorry, we and the other 5 could say no but if the other 14 all vote as one, it goes through.

 

 


We’ll see.

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6 hours ago, Dynamite said:

Wonder how many of the 'Little 14' would get behind this...?

 

West Ham boss calls for a unified British competition

 

David Moyes believes the failure of the breakaway European Super League (ESL) provides an opportunity to consider a unified British competition instead.

 

The Premier League's 'big six' all withdrew from the ESL on Tuesday following resistance to the plans.

 

However, Moyes believes league reform is still needed and suggested a Premier League II - which includes Rangers and Celtic - could be an option.

 

"Change is needed in some way," said the West Ham boss.

 

"I think the Premier League has a brilliant product, I really do, but at the top clubs you're talking about too many games, so could we have Premier League I and Premier League II?

 

"Could we have a situation where we do invite Rangers and Celtic to Premier League II? Why can we not unite the UK? Why do we have to be England and Scotland and not unite it?

 

"Why can it not be a pyramid that allows teams in the Scottish leagues to get into Premier League II? In fact, I think actually more money would filter down if Rangers and Celtic could be given an opportunity to come in."

 

Moyes also believes that such a reform could also help alleviate packed fixture schedules that many clubs competing in numerous competitions are having to contend with.

 

The Scot added: "Why not try and make what we have got something new and maybe take a few less teams, maybe two out of the Premier League and put in Premier League II, and we have a few extra weeks.

 

"The big clubs have got such a big programme, and I can only see with the new programmes them getting so many more games, and it is getting too tough to play too many games."

 

 

So, Moyes wants his club to get more money from 2 clubs that are significantly bigger than his own club, while destroying Scottish football in the process. #InItTogether

 

Good thing fans won't need to travel as much, eh Divhead...? Fucking clown.

As long as the both qualify through a league tournament and their rivals have a chance too.

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7 hours ago, skaro said:

 

I've heard worse ideas, to be honest.

 

Why would it destroy Scottish football?  

 

It would at least give teams other than Celtic and Rangers a chance of winning things in Scotland, for starters.  It might actually make the rank and file of Scottish football a body of competitive teams, not just a two-team football country.

 

Aberdeen have won a European Trophy, Dundee United have made the semi-finals of the European Cup. There's Hearts and Hibs... and then a bunch of also rans whose fans might suddenly have hope of a sniff of silverware, or heaven forbid, a run in Europe.

 

And adding Celtic and Rangers into the mix of the "bottom half" of an EPL tier would give it zest too.

 

It's fashionable to loathe and belittle Moyes, I know, but I actually think it's a much better "local, grassroots fans" idea than an ESL.

 

 

 

Optionally what we could do is invite the best sides from Spain and Italy. Creating a big 12 if you like, but there'll only be a premier league I. Perhaps guarantee them a constant place in that league and allow the remaining 14 clubs in the premier league today to fight it out over the remaining 8 places. The 6 left can then go and join the Scottish premier league, making that into a full sized league. It feels to me everyone wins. 

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Great to see.

 

Premier League Big Six supporters’ groups ‘overwhelmed’ as fans flock to join after ESL fallout

 

Fans are flocking in their thousands to sign up to supporters’ groups of the Big Six Premier League clubs who agreed to join the Super League before the competition fell apart.

 

 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/supporters-group-fans-protest-arsenal-man-city-utd-chelsea-liverpool-spurs-esl-premier-league-967135?ito=twitter_share_article-top

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2 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

Great to see.

 

Premier League Big Six supporters’ groups ‘overwhelmed’ as fans flock to join after ESL fallout

 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/supporters-group-fans-protest-arsenal-man-city-utd-chelsea-liverpool-spurs-esl-premier-league-967135?ito=twitter_share_article-top

The saddest thing about that is seeing food banks mentioned only as an aside in an article about football. Then seeing a Prime Minister who,along with the rest of his party, responsible for their formation more 'concerned' with football issue. Nice to see fans coming together like this but such a shame,ourselves largely excluded,they werent as vociferous about the need for food banks as well.

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2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Nice to see fans coming together like this but such a shame,ourselves largely excluded,they werent as vociferous about the need for food banks as well.

Or hikes in ticket prices.

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9 hours ago, skaro said:

 

I've heard worse ideas, to be honest.

 

Why would it destroy Scottish football?  

 

It would at least give teams other than Celtic and Rangers a chance of winning things in Scotland, for starters.  It might actually make the rank and file of Scottish football a body of competitive teams, not just a two-team football country.

 

Aberdeen have won a European Trophy, Dundee United have made the semi-finals of the European Cup. There's Hearts and Hibs... and then a bunch of also rans whose fans might suddenly have hope of a sniff of silverware, or heaven forbid, a run in Europe.

 

And adding Celtic and Rangers into the mix of the "bottom half" of an EPL tier would give it zest too.

 

It's fashionable to loathe and belittle Moyes, I know, but I actually think it's a much better "local, grassroots fans" idea than an ESL.

 

 

 

Scottish football hasn't been in a good place for a while now, partly down to Celtic and Rangers, but mainly due to the incompetence of the SFA, and most recently, the collapse of Setanta Sports and the TV rights package that would have generated more income for the clubs outside the Old Firm, and would have made them less reliant on ticket sales from games against the Old Firm.

 

Celtic and Rangers leaving Scottish football would remove a huge chunk of finance away from the remaining Scottish teams. The income generated by the largest fanbases in Scottish football goes a long way to supporting the economies of the "also-rans" as you put it. 

 

What little sponsorship that Scottish football has would dwindle away to next to nothing, so coupled with less income from the games against the Old Firm, clubs will start losing money hand over fist and will fold as a result. Many clubs are already teetering on the edge due to the Covid pandemic.

 

Beyond the obvious financial losses Scottish football would suffer, Scottish football would lose the UEFA coefficients, firstly at the national level, and then subsequently at the club level. Fewer clubs will be allowed to qualify for European competition as the nation's coefficient would drop, and then as a result, those who do qualify for European football will be entering the competitions at an earlier qualifying round.

 

The only winners in this scenario are the clubs already swimming in money. #InItTogether

 

Also, why should Celtic and Rangers go into the bottom half, or Premier League 2 as Moyes has said, when both clubs bring a significantly larger fanbase than at least 80% of the clubs currently in the Premier league - I would argue that only ourselves and United have larger fanbases in the UK & Ireland.

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3 hours ago, Denny Crane said:

Great to see.

 

Premier League Big Six supporters’ groups ‘overwhelmed’ as fans flock to join after ESL fallout

 

Fans are flocking in their thousands to sign up to supporters’ groups of the Big Six Premier League clubs who agreed to join the Super League before the competition fell apart.

 

 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/supporters-group-fans-protest-arsenal-man-city-utd-chelsea-liverpool-spurs-esl-premier-league-967135?ito=twitter_share_article-top

 

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3 hours ago, Dynamite said:

Scottish football hasn't been in a good place for a while now, partly down to Celtic and Rangers, but mainly due to the incompetence of the SFA, and most recently, the collapse of Setanta Sports and the TV rights package that would have generated more income for the clubs outside the Old Firm, and would have made them less reliant on ticket sales from games against the Old Firm.

 

Celtic and Rangers leaving Scottish football would remove a huge chunk of finance away from the remaining Scottish teams. The income generated by the largest fanbases in Scottish football goes a long way to supporting the economies of the "also-rans" as you put it. 

 

What little sponsorship that Scottish football has would dwindle away to next to nothing, so coupled with less income from the games against the Old Firm, clubs will start losing money hand over fist and will fold as a result. Many clubs are already teetering on the edge due to the Covid pandemic.

 

Beyond the obvious financial losses Scottish football would suffer, Scottish football would lose the UEFA coefficients, firstly at the national level, and then subsequently at the club level. Fewer clubs will be allowed to qualify for European competition as the nation's coefficient would drop, and then as a result, those who do qualify for European football will be entering the competitions at an earlier qualifying round.

 

The only winners in this scenario are the clubs already swimming in money. #InItTogether

 

Also, why should Celtic and Rangers go into the bottom half, or Premier League 2 as Moyes has said, when both clubs bring a significantly larger fanbase than at least 80% of the clubs currently in the Premier league - I would argue that only ourselves and United have larger fanbases in the UK & Ireland.

 

I'll get me coat.

And me scabbard.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Optionally what we could do is invite the best sides from Spain and Italy. Creating a big 12 if you like, but there'll only be a premier league I. Perhaps guarantee them a constant place in that league and allow the remaining 14 clubs in the premier league today to fight it out over the remaining 8 places. The 6 left can then go and join the Scottish premier league, making that into a full sized league. It feels to me everyone wins. 

 

1 minute ago, skaro said:

I'll get me coat.

And me scabbard.

 

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The Premier League is in talks to scrap its television rights auction in favour of rolling over existing deals with Sky, BT and Amazon, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

 

Football bosses are in sensitive discussions with the broadcasters and the Government about the potentially controversial move as they seek to avoid the risk of a hefty blow to the value of the rights from Covid.

 

Under its normal schedule the Premier League is due to auction domestic rights spanning three seasons to 2025 before May.

But Sky and BT were widely expected to rein in their spending, prompting sports rights experts to predict the value of those games to fall by more than £900m.

 

Football and media sources said a private sale is among the options being pursued as a means of securing greater financial security. Broadcasters are said to be open to the idea, which may deliver a small discount and would provide more certainty for their own businesses.

 

A deal could be structured to allow Sky, BT and Amazon to retain similar positions to those agreed in 2018 when TV rights spend fell by 10pc to £4.6bn for the three seasons to 2022. Sky spent £3.75bn on 128 live games a season, while BT invested £975m on 52 matches a season. Amazon picked up the final packages of 20 matches a season for its streaming service, Amazon Prime Video.

 

However insiders fear repeating the agreements could trigger complaints from potential challengers such as the sports streaming specialist Dazn, which has said it plans to explore an auction bid for the rights. Its joint-chief executive James Rushton said earlier this month that “once the tender comes out, we’ll review it”.

The Premier League has been in discussions with the Government about the legal implications of a private sale.

 

It has sold international rights without an auction before, but such a move on home soil has not been attempted since a Brussels ruling in 2006. European competition watchdogs said the Premier League must sell its rights to more than one broadcaster.

 

It is understood the implications for a private sale of domestic rights are being considered at the Treasury in light of Brexit. One senior source said the failed breakaway bid by the competition's “big six” clubs last week “has further complicated matters”.

 

The Premier League’s boss Richard Masters is under pressure to shore up income after record TV rights growth under his predecessor Richard Scudamore.

 

However, a channel sharing deal struck between Sky and BT three years ago has cooled the competitive tension needed to increase the value.

 

Mr Masters is seeking to skewer any future attempt by a Premier League club to join a breakaway European league by overhauling the sport’s rules.

 
He has teamed up with the FA to carry out a governance review to stop the so-called “big six” – Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur and Chelsea – from threatening to undermine the league by pursuing more lucrative opportunities with rival competitions.
 

Those clubs joined the Super League last Sunday before carrying out a volte-face days later when confronted with a furious backlash from fans, players, and the Prime Minister. It prompted a string of apologies from the club owners and architects of the new competition.

JP Morgan, which was primed to furnish the clubs with £4.3bn of debt financing, said it “misjudged how this deal would be viewed by the wider football community”.

The Premier League, Sky, BT and Amazon declined to comment.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/04/24/premier-league-scrambles-avoid-tv-rights-crash/

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12 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

The Premier League is in talks to scrap its television rights auction in favour of rolling over existing deals with Sky, BT and Amazon, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

 

Football bosses are in sensitive discussions with the broadcasters and the Government about the potentially controversial move as they seek to avoid the risk of a hefty blow to the value of the rights from Covid.

 

Under its normal schedule the Premier League is due to auction domestic rights spanning three seasons to 2025 before May.

But Sky and BT were widely expected to rein in their spending, prompting sports rights experts to predict the value of those games to fall by more than £900m.

 

Football and media sources said a private sale is among the options being pursued as a means of securing greater financial security. Broadcasters are said to be open to the idea, which may deliver a small discount and would provide more certainty for their own businesses.

 

A deal could be structured to allow Sky, BT and Amazon to retain similar positions to those agreed in 2018 when TV rights spend fell by 10pc to £4.6bn for the three seasons to 2022. Sky spent £3.75bn on 128 live games a season, while BT invested £975m on 52 matches a season. Amazon picked up the final packages of 20 matches a season for its streaming service, Amazon Prime Video.

 

However insiders fear repeating the agreements could trigger complaints from potential challengers such as the sports streaming specialist Dazn, which has said it plans to explore an auction bid for the rights. Its joint-chief executive James Rushton said earlier this month that “once the tender comes out, we’ll review it”.

The Premier League has been in discussions with the Government about the legal implications of a private sale.

 

It has sold international rights without an auction before, but such a move on home soil has not been attempted since a Brussels ruling in 2006. European competition watchdogs said the Premier League must sell its rights to more than one broadcaster.

 

It is understood the implications for a private sale of domestic rights are being considered at the Treasury in light of Brexit. One senior source said the failed breakaway bid by the competition's “big six” clubs last week “has further complicated matters”.

 

The Premier League’s boss Richard Masters is under pressure to shore up income after record TV rights growth under his predecessor Richard Scudamore.

 

However, a channel sharing deal struck between Sky and BT three years ago has cooled the competitive tension needed to increase the value.

 

Mr Masters is seeking to skewer any future attempt by a Premier League club to join a breakaway European league by overhauling the sport’s rules.

 
He has teamed up with the FA to carry out a governance review to stop the so-called “big six” – Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur and Chelsea – from threatening to undermine the league by pursuing more lucrative opportunities with rival competitions.
 

Those clubs joined the Super League last Sunday before carrying out a volte-face days later when confronted with a furious backlash from fans, players, and the Prime Minister. It prompted a string of apologies from the club owners and architects of the new competition.

JP Morgan, which was primed to furnish the clubs with £4.3bn of debt financing, said it “misjudged how this deal would be viewed by the wider football community”.

The Premier League, Sky, BT and Amazon declined to comment.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/04/24/premier-league-scrambles-avoid-tv-rights-crash/

So there's the real reason the epl and clubs losts it's shit at the ESL idea. They know there's going to be a hit in the TV deal anyway. 

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31 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

So there's the real reason the epl and clubs losts it's shit at the ESL idea. They know there's going to be a hit in the TV deal anyway. 

This. And imagine the viewing figures if the 6 clubs had a bigger competition to concentrate on 

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2 hours ago, Lee909 said:

So there's the real reason the epl and clubs losts it's shit at the ESL idea. They know there's going to be a hit in the TV deal anyway. 

No no no it's because Gary Neville is the greatest socialist in history. 

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There surely has to be an accommodation where clubs can sell the rights to at least some of their homes matches that aren't selected by the broadcasters.

 

Even if the clubs had to share the profits with the Premier league it would surely pacify the big clubs at least in the medium term and lessen the likelihood  of any future breakaway.

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9 hours ago, johnsusername said:

No no no it's because Gary Neville is the greatest socialist in history. 

Really?? I thought he was an annoyingly voiced Manc cunt. I stand corrected.

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I see the football authorities so quick to jump on saving football Screaming its for the fans and not money this week have given the two finalists 50% of the ticket allocation and kept the rest for The Football Family of sponsors, FA men and other hangers on

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