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Kepler-186

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Posted today, 12:09:14

Amazing how quickly people were galvanised into “action” to protect rich men’s assets from other rich men looking to take said assets and wealth away from them. Marvellous, isn’t, hmmm, Tommy v Fritz Christmas 1914, jumpers for goalposts.

 

 

 

"For the fans, James."

 

"For the fans, Alec."

[Scooby Dudek]

 

[Kepler-186]

“Be playing Gillingham if it wasn’t for the sheik oil billions” is not something your average blue Mancunian will ever say if it means they can throw insults at Scousers and pretend they’re a big club. 
 

Off an Another Angry Voice FB page. 
 

 

 

 

[J-V]

31 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

 

Jeez, this great man should be heading up changes for football.  Excellent interview.

[KevieG]

41 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

 

absolute King

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

From a poster on The Anfield Noise forums. Some of us just ain't going to learn.

 

 

And there in a nutshell you have why it's so easy for these cunts to try and get away with whatever the fuck they want. 

1 hour ago, Aventus said:

No prizes for guessing what fanbase this is. 

Makes a change from them calling him a n***** I suppose. 

[Brownie]

Edited that BW. I know there was no bad intention but still don’t want to be seeing words like that on the forum mate.

[Captain Turdseye]

45 minutes ago, Kepler-186 said:

“Be playing Gillingham if it wasn’t for the sheik oil billions” is not something your average blue Mancunian will ever say if it means they can throw insults at Scousers and pretend they’re a big club. 
 

Off an Another Angry Voice FB page. 
 

 

 

 

Not that it makes any difference but Chelsea were the first ones to pull out yesterday anyway. 

[Kepler-186]

1 minute ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Not that it makes any difference but Chelsea were the first ones to pull out yesterday anyway. 

Russians playing 3D chess to save the Premier League brand. Abramovich to be named as Lord Roman of Kings Road. 

[dockers_strike]

1 hour ago, Kepler-186 said:

“Be playing Gillingham if it wasn’t for the sheik oil billions” is not something your average blue Mancunian will ever say if it means they can throw insults at Scousers and pretend they’re a big club. 
 

Off an Another Angry Voice FB page. 
 

 

 

 

Even when their shit stain of a club signed up to it, whether for money or 'fear of being left behind' they still want to lump the blame on Liverpool.

 

You've got that owner of theirs grinning like a demented fool, having visited his beloved 'project' a couple of times to watch games since he bought them, tell you all you need to know.

 

He thinks no more of the fans than any of the other founding members owners do. Yet they try to capture the moral high ground or rather trample over Liverpool to make themselves look better. They can fuck right off.

 

I used to go to Maine Road with a couple of my city supporting mates. Their idea football died in 2021 is fucking laughable. Their club died sometime in the mid 80s. They are like Count Dracula, resurrected from the dead and sucking the life out of football and following their master like an unwavering disciple, scared he's going to withold their next drop of life blood if they do not follow him.

 

Fuck em.

[Barrington Womble]

25 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Edited that BW. I know there was no bad intention but still don’t want to be seeing words like that on the forum mate.

Understand fella. I don't agree as I think it's important we see the reality of the words they use. 

[Jockey]

City fans (like their deranged brethren in this City) spent 1992 until 2010 dismissing United as a commercial entity, a marketing club more than a footballing club. They were a genuine club - who had known real hardship (through their own mismanagement), real supporters not a shower of glory hunting day trippers. It took them less than 2 years to forget all that shit - and boast about how wealthy they are, who they are going buy, who they will destroy, and generally look upon everyone else with contempt. 

 

They built a council house on a crack den, and gave it to them for nothing - it is a shithole surrounded by Shameless cunts and they have the temerity to sing about 'Scousers' and 'Bin Dippers' whilst they tell everyone how working class and, caring they all are. 

 

There is a small part of my mind which wants them to win the quadrulpe and win it again, and again - until they are 5 years straight winning everything in sight. And lets see how everyone views them then. 

[DaveT]

22 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Even when their shit stain of a club signed up to it, whether for money or 'fear of being left behind' they still want to lump the blame on Liverpool.

 

You've got that owner of theirs grinning like a demented fool, having visited his beloved 'project' a couple of times to watch games since he bought them, tell you all you need to know.

 

He thinks no more of the fans than any of the other founding members owners do. Yet they try to capture the moral high ground or rather trample over Liverpool to make themselves look better. They can fuck right off.

 

I used to go to Maine Road with a couple of my city supporting mates. Their idea football died in 2021 is fucking laughable. Their club died sometime in the mid 80s. They are like Count Dracula, resurrected from the dead and sucking the life out of football and following their master like an unwavering disciple, scared he's going to withold their next drop of life blood if they do not follow him.

 

Fuck em.

The final nail in football’s coffin for me was the day CAS overturned the ban on City, chopped UEFA off at the knees and gave the Arabs free rein to keep spending and cheating. My attitude since then has been ‘what’s the point?’

[Denny Crane]

 

Spirit of Shankly statement.

 

It has been a tumultuous, sickening few days for us all. Spirit of Shankly have always asked for honesty, integrity and transparency from club owners FSG, but the arrogance and deception they have shown behind this money-grab is frightening. But not surprising.

We have noted John Henry’s apology, but this PR exercise is too little too late. These crocodile tears will not wash. Actions speak louder than ‘hollow’ words. Liverpool Football Club is not an American franchise, it is a community steeped in history and tradition.

The ‘future of football’ came crashing down in 48 hours because of the solidarity and outcry of ‘legacy’ fans across the country. This debacle must be a catalyst for real change, not an exercise in damage limitation.

Our owners have thrown everyone under the bus, supporters, manager, players and staff, and humiliated themselves through sheer greed and arrogance. The hypocrisy of the Premier League and broadcasters has also been noted. They have never considered the fans in their own gold rush and have treated us with thinly disguised contempt over the years.

 

We need a fundamental change in football governance, one that is fair for the whole football pyramid, not just the rapacious elite. We need a model that promises equitable distribution of the vast amounts of money involved in the beautiful game, our game.

 

During this confusion UEFA have gladly portrayed themselves as the progressive force. Nothing could be further from the truth and their new Champions League format is a disgrace. One that must be resisted immediately.

We will be consulting with our members to gauge their opinion on our next steps.

 

https://spiritofshankly.com/time-for-change-next-steps/

[TheHowieLama]

34 minutes ago, DaveT said:

The final nail in football’s coffin for me was the day CAS overturned the ban on City, chopped UEFA off at the knees and gave the Arabs free rein to keep spending and cheating. My attitude since then has been ‘what’s the point?’

Absolutely this.

[Denny Crane]

One from FSA.

 

Appeasement of football’s richest clubs doesn’t work. The vultures circle, they’re always after more and they only get stronger when you feed their greed.

This time the cabal of billionaire owners overplayed their hand and their rapacious appetite for more united an unprecedented array of opponents. Fans across the entire game, players, managers, pundits, clubs, leagues, football associations across the continent, politicians, Prime

Ministers and governments. Even the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge shared their concerns.

English club involvement in the Super League has collapsed and the concept itself teeters on the edge. At a continental level the FSA will continue to campaign with our friends at Football Supporters Europe to kill the competition for good. Agnelli’s ‘blood pact’ has no place in football.

The past 72 hours of white hot action and anger has killed domestic involvement in the Super League but that doesn’t mean fans can take their foot off the accelerator – a return to the status quo is unacceptable and will only allow these unscrupulous owners to regroup.

On Monday the Government announced the launch of its fan-led review and it is vital that all efforts are poured into that, with supporters front and centre, in order to rebalance the power structure of the domestic game.

There have been numerous reviews in the past with recommendations that football ignored or diluted. That cannot happen again. Reports suggested that the Prime Minister was considering a ‘legislative bomb’ to stop the involvement of domestic sides in the Super League.

We will work with all parties when it comes to securing the future of football and the fan-led review must adopt measures which stop this situation ever developing again.

Additionally it should consider a whole host of options such as removing barriers to partial or full supporter ownership, automatic supporter positions on boards, and implementation of something akin to Germany’s 50+1 rule which gives fans an enormous voice in that country.

Football is arguably the biggest expression of community and cultural identity on these shores and it needs to be treated with that respect. Tearing at the fabric of our football institutions damages not only football, but society more widely.

At the top clubs are allowed to treat their fans with contempt when it comes to ticket prices, kick-off times, support for the women’s game, wealth distribution and funding of grassroots. Supporter engagement has to be embedded into the decision making and power structure of all clubs.

Lower down the pyramid clubs disappear from existence thanks to a lack of transparency in ownership and financial oversight – leaving a trail of broken-hearted fans and indebted local businesses in their wake. These clubs need protection, financial controls and transparency of ownership.

Let’s make it happen – join the FSA and your local fan group today. Get involved

 

[Denny Crane]

Gone under the radar but players across clubs seemed to be strongly against the idea. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tony Moanero]

3 hours ago, stringvest said:

Seriously, this 'world is against us' stuff is such bollocks.  We're flattering ourselves if we think we're universally hated; most people around the country don't give a fuck, and those that do think more positively than negatively towards LFC.  Apart from the obvious rivals, we are a lot of people's second favourite teams.   This sort of bollocks also plays into the 'victims' trope.  I do agree with you that we need a significant change to the squad. 

I agree, most people in this country don’t give a fuck.

 

Football is the most popular sport in this country, but, relatively speaking, sport is a niche interest. The percentage of people who either have a passing interest in football or don’t follow it all, far outweighs those who are fanatical about it. However, in my experience, travelling around the country and living in various parts of it, a large proportion of English football fans do dislike Liverpool - the football club and city. You only have to look at Twitter or various club internet forums for evidence of this.

[stringvest]

10 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

I agree, most people in this country don’t give a fuck.

 

Football is the most popular sport in this country, but, relatively speaking, sport is a niche interest. The percentage of people who either have a passing interest in football or don’t follow it all, far outweighs those who are fanatical about it. However, in my experience, travelling around the country and living in various parts of it, a large proportion of English football fans do dislike Liverpool - the football club and city. You only have to look at Twitter or various club internet forums for evidence of this.

Nah.  I live in another part of the country now, and I've travelled and worked extensively all over the country over the last 80 years.  Rather than Liverpool football club as an entity, fans of other clubs dislike our fans.  That should go without saying.  Look at the stuff we write about other teams' fans.  

 

But this hatred of Liverpool the place just isn't borne out by the facts.  People actually quite like the city, though it's generally seen as some sort of cartoon stag and hen night location.  If you go trawling through footballing tweets or internet forums, what do you expect to see?  Why would you want to waste valuable time looking at such rubbish?  The fans of this club are seen as bleating, self-reverential and entitled, with constant references to history and integrity, which even to the less self-aware of us must ring hollow in the way we behave and have done in the past.  We've got some right cunts who follow this club, and I would say the proportion of cunts vs non-cunts is probably no different to any other club.  We should stop searching out things to be offended about and crack on.

[3 Stacks]

4 minutes ago, stringvest said:

Nah.  I live in another part of the country now, and I've travelled and worked extensively all over the country over the last 80 years.  Rather than Liverpool football club as an entity, fans of other clubs dislike our fans.  That should go without saying.  Look at the stuff we write about other teams' fans.  

 

But this hatred of Liverpool the place just isn't borne out by the facts.  People actually quite like the city, though it's generally seen as some sort of cartoon stag and hen night location.  If you go trawling through footballing tweets or internet forums, what do you expect to see?  Why would you want to waste valuable time looking at such rubbish?  The fans of this club are seen as bleating, self-reverential and entitled, with constant references to history and integrity, which even to the less self-aware of us must ring hollow in the way we behave and have done in the past.  We've got some right cunts who follow this club, and I would say the proportion of cunts vs non-cunts is probably no different to any other club.  We should stop searching out things to be offended about and crack on.

Football clubs are just seen like that, though. In no other sport do fans talk about "values" when they talk about their favourite team, like they do in football. Liverpool with the socialism thing is the perfect example and pretty much all these big clubs have some sort of mystical story attached to them like, Atletico is the club of the proletariat, Real Madrid is the club of the bourgeoisie or some such nonsense.

 

Maybe Liverpool in particular is seen to have more of a cult vibe from the outside, but football fans are pretty much all the same in that they believe in their club's mystique. 

[Jockey]

Bin Dippers, and Self Pity City isn't restricted to football. 

[stringvest]

Just now, Jockey said:

Bin Dippers, and Self Pity City isn't restricted to football. 

I've never heard anyone outside the tribal football context refer to Bin Dippers, and only Tory MPs and the Tory press refer to Liverpool as self-pity city.

[Brownie]

I went to uni away from home and I've lived away from home for the last 15 years.

 

I've witnessed plenty of ignorant shit about our city and scousers in general. It's not at all just about our football team.

[Jockey]

2 minutes ago, stringvest said:

I've never heard anyone outside the tribal football context refer to Bin Dippers, and only Tory MPs and the Tory press refer to Liverpool as self-pity city.

I have - in Germany of all places (by Brummies), and the Tory press don't scream into a void - those comments are read, ingested and forwarded. 

 

I'm a few years shy of 50 - and I've heard quite a bit of anti-scouse shit in that time, not football related either. 

[Denny Crane]

If there is no emotion or sentiments in football. You are just watching a bunch of millionaires line billionaires pockets kicking a pigs bladder around. 

 

The club's regularly use the history and values as a marketing tool. One of the very few blobs on the marketing for the ESL was how many titles and European Cups they had won. Very few business profit from decades of history which they have inherited. It's why football clubs sit in a unique place.