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4 minutes ago, clangers said:

They'll sell us off piece by piece or rather they already are and keep a decent stake for themselves.

Nah I reckon they've had their fun, everything they've tried to save/make money has come a cropper and they've ended up looking fucking daft, there's only so much tarnishing your 'brand' and I mean FSG here, can take.

 

Now is surely the time to get out of footy if you were only ever really in it for the money and don't have bottomless wealth. Expect to see a consortium led by Ricky Tomlinson and that bloke from Redrow by the end of summer. 

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10 minutes ago, clangers said:

Good post, I think we can all agree that Bono's views are particularly critical here.

Bono will certainly think they are.

 

Im fact, add Geldof to the list

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12 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

My prediction: The ESL will hopefully be doomed to failure, but as a result FSG will go into full sulk mode and we'll end up with nowhere near enough investment in players while they wait a couple of years for a sale. Manchester City and even Chelsea will pull further ahead of us for obvious reasons. We'll end up badly damaged by this one way or another, and not just reputationally. 

They've set us up to be self-sustaining. As long as they don't take the money out of the club - I am fine. I do think it is a bit cheeky (in a literal sense, as they are owners who take the piss regularly) to - rightfully - pull them for looking to make as much money out of us as possible, but then demand they put their own money into the team. City and Chelsea have distorted football for 20 years. I don't want owners who are like them, and I don't think it is realistic to expect owners to invest billions in the club and not expect a return. 

 

I would love the whole of the game to be restructured, but it won't be. I think considering this is the third of fourth time they have took the piss - expecting them to learn seems a lost cause. But, who the fuck takes over? That is the worry. 

 

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16 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

My prediction: The ESL will hopefully be doomed to failure, but as a result FSG will go into full sulk mode and we'll end up with nowhere near enough investment in players while they wait a couple of years for a sale. Manchester City and even Chelsea will pull further ahead of us for obvious reasons. We'll end up badly damaged by this one way or another, and not just reputationally. 

I'm not sure businessmen driven by profit are liable to sulk.  These lads are serious players.  Not everyone is Donald trump.

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8 minutes ago, halewood pete said:

Quite good that, dont really like him but he comes across very well in that.

 

The problem is, its easy to cast the ESL backers as greedy mega rich villains- ignoring the the fact that football was already crawling with them, just in different guises with different agendas

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1 hour ago, Brownie said:

If 75% of the participants are guaranteed participation regardless of performance, that absolutely is anti-competitive.
 

I don’t known what is so hard to understand with this. 

Come on. What if they review membership every 5 years? What if xyz...

 

Real Madrid have been in every single CL competition, does that not seen anti-competetive to you?  So domestic leagues can be completely anti-competetive as long as we protect the sacred CL anti-competetiveness? 

 

People are completely missing the point here.  The PL is basically Man City plus 19 guests. As long as we're willing to accept that the fine.  You can shit down the anti FSG thread moaning about them not spending enough.  

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25 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

My prediction: The ESL will hopefully be doomed to failure, but as a result FSG will go into full sulk mode and we'll end up with nowhere near enough investment in players while they wait a couple of years for a sale. Manchester City and even Chelsea will pull further ahead of us for obvious reasons. We'll end up badly damaged by this one way or another, and not just reputationally. 

Mansoor will nudge his mates to get involved to make it look competitive. Which is fine if you don't mind the club being run by people who chop journalists to bits. 

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I think the mistake they made was keeping it so small. Had they offered a ESL2 with a smaller prize pool but relegation of a couple of places and offered that second tier of clubs Marseille, Ajax, Everton, Celtic, Rangers etc a place at the table they've have been in a far stronger position to stop the massive backlashit would have been shit still

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3 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Come on. What if they review membership every 5 years? What if xyz...

 

Real Madrid have been in every single CL competition, does that not seen anti-competetive to you?  So domestic leagues can be completely anti-competetive as long as we protect the sacred CL anti-competetiveness? 

 

People are completely missing the point here.  The PL is basically Man City plus 19 guests. As long as we're willing to accept that the fine.  You can shit down the anti FSG thread moaning about them not spending enough.  


I’m not sure I agree with all the points he’s making on this but I do agree on this.

 

The closed shop / anti competition element to it is a real sticking point. 
 

You coming up with hypotheticals that nobody knows about yet. Having 15 guaranteed sides per season isn’t competitive. 
 

Real Madrid have been in the CL forever because they’ve earned it through their league and CL performances.  
 

I don’t understand the Man City comparison. Since Abu Dhabi came in, Man Utd, Leicester, Chelsea & us have all won the league and other clubs have won the domestic titles as well. Like the mancs and Ferguson, Citeh will likely never have it as good again as they currently do under Guardiola. 

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3 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Mansoor will nudge his mates to get involved to make it look competitive. Which is fine if you don't mind the club being run by people who chop journalists to bits. 

After seeing the Newcastle fans go into one after the sale to Saudis collapse and now claim to be morale guardians with a few other clubs I'd love to see their reaction is the Saudis bought out FSG

 

I mean I wouldn't want them near the club really but watching a few toon heads explode could be fun. 

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3 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

I think the mistake they made was keeping it so small. Had they offered a ESL2 with a smaller prize pool but relegation of a couple of places and offered that second tier of clubs Marseille, Ajax, Everton, Celtic, Rangers etc a place at the table they've have been in a far stronger position to stop the massive backlashit would have been shit still


I agree. Apart from PSG, Bayern & Dortmund, the other clubs are just pissy because they weren’t invited.
 

Purslow sounding off yesterday. If he was still at us, he’d have been getting into it as well. Everton would have been all over it as well. And West Ham. 

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If Bin Salman is allowed to buy a Premier league club I'm completely done with the sport. The current regimes, hedgefunds and oligarchs leave a bad taste that tempt you to leave this shit behind but after what happened to Jamal Kashoggi for them to be welcomed into the fold with open arms as fit and proper owners. Fuck that. Its not a sport anymore its a cesspit 

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25 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Nah I reckon they've had their fun, everything they've tried to save/make money has come a cropper and they've ended up looking fucking daft, there's only so much tarnishing your 'brand' and I mean FSG here, can take. 

I can't imagine then selling, this isn't some last hail Mary to finally make a profit, they've already increased the value of this asset ten fold, that isn't going to dissappear without the ESL, and most likely will continue going up regardless, it was just an effort to further increase our value. They've tried before, and if this falls through they'll try again in another form. They aren't going to want to sell the goose and risk the buyers being the ones that get the golden eggs.

 

9 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

I don’t understand the Man City comparison. Since Abu Dhabi came in, Man Utd, Leicester, Chelsea & us have all won the league and other clubs have won the domestic titles as well. Like the mancs and Ferguson, Citeh will likely never have it as good again as they currently do under Guardiola. 

I like the idea of teams having golden eras, where things fall into place at the right time and they hit the jackpot. We had a good run starting with Shankly, and the succession of great managers that were basically trained in house, after that came to an end we struggled until we had a couple of brief periods with Rafa and now Klopp. We've been shit for the majority of the last 30 years with a few good spells thrown in, and I imagine the same will happen after Klopp while we adjust and fight to get the right ingredients again for a good run. 

Same can be said for Man United, they weren't up to much before Ferguson then they dominated, after he retired they struggled again.

Same for arsenal with Wenger. 

 

Football had always been cyclical, and I like that, it would be boring winning everything for decades in a row, I enjoy our fights back to the top. 

 

How is it ever going to be like that for City? No matter what happens they will always be in the position to throw money at it, wrong manger? Sack him get another. Wrong signings? Sell them and get another. They can roll the dice infinitely. At worst they'll have one or two seasons not at the top, other teams winning trophies will be the anomaly.

 

Our current period of relative success will end with Klopp, unless somebody like Pep Lijinders is being groomed to take over and has learnt everything Jurgen knows.

Man City's period of dominance ends when they run out of money.

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1 hour ago, Dave D said:

Im playing my cards close to my chest until I hear what the following people think on the subject-

 

Barry Fry

Piers Morgan

Bono

Danny Dyer

Roy Hodgson

Alan Sugar

Idris Elba

Neil Lennon  

James Corden's a notable omission.

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21 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

Real Madrid have been in the CL forever because they’ve earned it through their league and CL performances.  
 

I don’t understand the Man City comparison. Since Abu Dhabi came in, Man Utd, Leicester, Chelsea & us have all won the league and other clubs have won the domestic titles as well. Like the mancs and Ferguson, Citeh will likely never have it as good again as they currently do under Guardiola. 

Madrid what? Earn? The club of the King, open access to loans from the Bank of Spain, how exactly have they fairly earned their titles? 

 

Man City's failures shouldn't be justification for their illegal spending.  But their presence warps everything.  Not just them but also Chelsea, and also Man United floating on the stock market started a lot of this.  They pay insane wages and that trickles down to other clubs.  Not just them, but PSG and Chelsea pay the same, so the best players get their heads turned each year by those three, and that leads to other clubs having to follow suit to try and keep their best players.  Be it Madrid, or Barca or Juventus or us, we end up over-extending ourselves to keep our best players, to the point you look at how it has crippled Barca in the case of Messi.  But then Messi's teammates turn around and go "what about me", and their wages get sucked into his orbit, not at his level, but up they go.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Come on. What if they review membership every 5 years? What if xyz...

 

Real Madrid have been in every single CL competition, does that not seen anti-competetive to you?  So domestic leagues can be completely anti-competetive as long as we protect the sacred CL anti-competetiveness? 

 

People are completely missing the point here.  The PL is basically Man City plus 19 guests. As long as we're willing to accept that the fine.  You can shit down the anti FSG thread moaning about them not spending enough.  

I think you’re the one missing the point, mate. Football is already heavily favoured towards those with the most resources (that’s always been the case, even before 1993) but reward has always been linked to performance.

 

This removes that. That’s a fundamental difference.

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A large minority of football fans in this country are complete knobheads. Pretty much all club owners are knobheads protecting their own interest, whether that's to enter the ESL, move the goalposts to get more Champions League places, try and do what they can to stay in the Premier League (see last season) or at the bottom of the rung keep their team in the league system at the expense of others. The authorities like the fa and uefa are complete pricks and don't get me started on Boris. 

 

I would like if Uefa returned the club competitions to what it was before. (1)Reduce the places for English clubs in the Champions League and give automatic places to the champions of Scotland, Belgium and Holland etc and make it easier for countries like Iceland to get teams into the Champions League. Yeah it won't be good for Liverpool in the short term but in the long run it will be better for the game across the continent. 

 

(2) Make the Europa League a really competitive competition like the old Uefa Cup. Yeah maybe the earlier rounds won't be as competitive for the big English etc clubs but again that's what football is about....fans in Armenia getting excited because Liverpool or Barca is coming to town.

(3) Ensure that financial fair play is properly enforced. I hate FSG more than ever but they ran a model that is sustainable. That is what all clubs should have to do. They balanced the books and because of good business decisions in getting in Jurgen and Michael Edwards, we beat a state run club. Again, I hate them but their model before all this ESL shit is what all clubs big and small should follow. 

 

Some of the best aways I've had were at clubs we will probably never play again. That's a shame and I'd love to see that changed. 

 

I don't know how this clusterfuck will end. I just know come August I want to be in stadiums cheering on the lads and showing Jurgen the love and respect that beautiful human being deserves. I won't watch us in this ESL shite so if that happens, then it really is a huge part of my life gone.

 

My gut is that Uefa will fold to a lot of this mobs wishes and desires. Something like 6 or 7 places in the champions league given to England, Italy, Spain and Germany with 3 or 4 to France and maybe 2 or 3 to Russia, Turkey and Holland. another round for the champions of countries like Scotland or Belgium to navigate unless they fold and give them one place. Next to impossible for the champions of places like Georgia or Latvia to get through. Clubs like us pretty much guaranteed to be in the Champions League which is an insult. Clubs like West Ham and Everton in with a massive shout. I wonder will Mosh and Karen Brady or the Leeds owners be talking about the good of the game and the Steau Bucharests and Levski Sofias of the game. Like fuck they will.

 

A lot of what I want reads like the 70s or 80s, but I'd like the Fa and Uefa to get off their own gravy trains and take football back to the people.

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That Brian Swanson on Sky news said before " I've been told that sky are not CURRENTLY interested is speaking about showing ESL games" Currently? In other words if / when the ESL comes off then Sky will be interested slimy bastards making out it's all about the fans whilst making moves behind the scenes to make sure they are well placed.

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Cordon and his cronies alway put a stick in the ground at a point from when they think Liverpool won nothing. Oh, the mancs were the team from 1994. Oh, Wenger's arsenal were the team in the early 2000s. Oh, Leicester were the team from the season they won just about their only major trophy. Oh, manchester city were the team since mansour rocked up around 2008.

 

While it's true we went 30 years without winning the title, we won the Champions League twice since 2005. We've won 14 or 15 major trophies since title number 18 in 1990. Amazingly, those 'major' trophies we won were not major trophies at all, well until united and city started winning UEFA cup \ Europa League, league and FA Cups and, the best team 'doesnt always win' the Champions League!

 

Fucking hypercites like cordon can fuck right off. The fat cunt isnt even funny.

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