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In a perverse way I am loving how everyone who went round saying stuff like "Liverpool are not famous anymore"; "Liverpool aren't relevant, why are they on TV so much"; "It's not all about Liverpool".

 

Suddenly the whole future of football rests on our shoulders.

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37 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

So because 'we' and a few other clubs have US owners, we're going to go for a franchise and uproot our clubs while Real, Juve etc are going to stay put?

 

You really havent thought it through.

I think my problem is that I have thought it through! Every scenario and every possibility - the worst scenario is the one that worries me the most. 

 

 

I hope you are right, and I sincerely hope I am wrong. But, I don't think dismissing this as a possibility is right - at the moment it isn't a viable option. But in the future - with a self-contained global league - with global fans, it is. There has been talk of an English based NFL team! 

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Intersting piece from the torygraph!

 

The 12 rebels behind the money-grabbing Super League launch have enraged the rest of football, the Prime Minister and even royalty - but will it really happen? Here Telegraph Sport explores the most likely scenarios in the tumultuous weeks ahead:

1. It happens as they want it to

Telegraph Sport understands Chelsea and Manchester City had been reluctant to go ahead with the plans as recently as last week, but the remaining 10 clubs are said to be "utterly determined to get this done". Legal letters issued to Uefa on Monday were the clearest evidence that the breakaway announced the night before was more than a 11th hour idle threat over Champions League reforms. The plans will go ahead if domestic competitions do not have the nerve to kick them out of their competitions. The fear amongst the remaining 14 clubs in the Premier League will be that the so-called "big six" launch their own English league. The Super League gang backed by vast wealth is confident an expensively assembled legal team can win their day in court, and eventually persuade governments that the breakaway is non-negotiable. The announcement of a fan-led review led by the former sports minister Tracey Crouch will be countered by relentless lobbying by the new competition in the coming weeks - the sweetener on offer is £10billion in solidarity payments over 23 years.

2. It happens and they leave domestic football behind

The 14 Premier League teams were being briefed by lawyers on Tuesday at a key meeting to decide the rebels' fate. A statement is set to be released by the end of the day explaining whether the clubs are willing to press the nuclear button and boot the so-called "big six" out for their treachery. Sources close to the Super League are bullish, given the Premier League is set to put its domestic TV rights out for tender within weeks. If clubs and the league do go ahead, however, the exiles would eventually attempt to lure bigger Championship clubs, and form their own domestic competition. The Football Association and Uefa has warned it will not sanction a breakaway, meaning that players and clubs could no longer compete in other official competitions. But such a move could cause the collapse of the Premier League and English Football League as we know it. Broadcast values of both would tumble, and the smaller top tier clubs who rejected Project Big Picture last October would end up with a fate even worse.

3. They're talked out of it and bargained with

The Champions League reforms from 2024 have been signed off now, but sources close to talks say commercial details have yet to be finalised. The most radical bargaining chip for Uefa will be to turn to private investment like the 12 rebels have done. As it stands, all money European competitions generate is through television rights, leading to annual distribution of around £3billion. There is potential for Uefa to increase that fund, and executives are known to be in talks over a £5.2billion cash injection from a London-based private investment firm as part of efforts to undermine the Super League's JP Morgan-backed fund. Centricus Asset Management is said to be discussing a six billion euro financing package, which would allow further reforms that could go beyond the "Swiss-system". Insiders say talks are at a very early stage, however, and Uefa is unlikely to be moved immediately from its current non-negotiable stance.

Domestically, the Premier League has a history of finding compromise positions to appease its biggest clubs. A model first offered up during Project Big Picture to give the clubs an even bigger slice of the current TV revenue system and a review of voting rights are options. The league is carrying out its own review of football governance, which could bring the rebels to the bargaining table.

4. They're punished by leagues, points deductions, relegations, bans and we have years of legal disputes

Domestic leagues will threaten relegations and points deductions, but legal experts say the existing competitions will see their best chance of victory through the courts. Legal warnings have already been exchanged between the new competition, Uefa and Fifa, with cases looming at Switzerland's Court of Arbitration for Sport and the law courts.

Katarina Pijetlovic, a reader in sports law from Manchester Metropolitan University, warned that breakaway clubs “are taking an absolutely massive risk” and that the project could be stopped through legal means which could take years. Fifa has previously threatened bans for international tournaments, but has backed away from such warnings in recent days. Uefa, however, will use every punishment at its disposal to delay the scheme which would ruin its Champions League.

Article 49 of the Uefa Statutes says the governing body has "sole jurisdiction to organise or abolish international competitions in Europe in which Member Associations and/or their clubs participate".  However, interim orders from the Super League to prevent Uefa, Fifa or national associations from implementing threats could happen quickly, allowing the Super League to start before any decision to approve or disapprove it. Either way, Pijetlovic says, “it’s a massive mess legally."

5. The voice of opposition becomes so strong they climb down for now and something re-emerges in a few years

The Super League gathered pace after the collapse of Project Big Picture, the domestic revolution first unearthed by Telegraph Sport. Chelsea and Manchester City took the most persuading to sign up and the 12 rebels are increasingly isolated by German and French teams turning their backs on the scheme. The competition hired an ex-Downing Street advisor to help land the announcement, but it's unlikely the clubs anticipated even Prince William to weigh in amid global disgust at their plans. Anger levels are unprecedented across the game, and it's possible that some of the clubs start to lose their nerve, forcing the more committed members into an eventual suspension of the plan.  

Don't expect an immediate climbdown, however. Florentino Perez, the Real Madrid president, has for the last decade been the most outspoken proponent, and his announcement as chairman of the new competition rewards his central role as an architect. The American ownerships at Manchester United and Liverpool appear equally sold too on the prospect of an NBA or NFL-style league, where franchise owners enjoy reliable profits and the valuation of teams rise steadily over time. If it does fall apart, you can guarantee the secret talks will start up again immediately.

6. They're talked out of it and there's lasting change in how football is run

As it stands, this best-case-scenario appears the least likely, but it's the position that Governments, the grass-roots game and, most of all, fans want. There is desperation within English football and at Whitehall for a more effective governance structure to redistribute the current bottleneck of vast riches. Former FA chairman David Bernstein, the Premier League and now the Government are all championing separate reviews to safeguard the stricken pyramid. Clearly, the actions of the owners of England's so-called "big six" in recent days illustrate they are also committed to a shake up of sorts. Finding consensus without offering the richest clubs even more wealth appears to be football's impossible dream.

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Don't get this "earn it" talk. It is literally the 14 richest clubs who have "earned" their spot. The one you can bitch about is AC Milan.

The competitiveness thing is moot as well - LFC could get relegated from the Premeir League based on the results.

I am not sure about the viability of the project but if you want to have a go at it I don't think "earning" or "competition" are the angles to take. 

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Just now, Brownie said:

The NFL move their franchises around quite regularly.

 

Just in the last few years the Raiders, Saints & Chargers have all moved.

They have since the beginning of that league.

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Just now, TheHowieLama said:

Don't get this "earn it" talk. It is literally the 14 richest clubs who have "earned" their spot. The one you can bitch about is AC Milan.

The competitiveness thing is moot as well - LFC could get relegated from the Premeir League based on the results.

I am not sure about the viability of the project but if you want to have a go at it I don't think "earning" or "competition" are the angles to take. 

It is a valid argument that Leeds did not 'earn' their Champions League slot. They took out a loan and paid for it on the never never. 

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2 minutes ago, Jockey said:

I think my problem is that I have thought it through! Every scenario and every possibility - the worst scenario is the one that worries me the most. 

 

 

I hope you are right, and I sincerely hope I am wrong. But, I don't think dismissing this as a possibility is right - at the moment it isn't a viable option. But in the future - with a self-contained global league - with global fans, it is. There has been talk of an English based NFL team! 

Mate, Ive no axe to grind with you. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

I just think we have to look at this in the round. The 12 clubs have put their necks on the line over this. They have to present a united front. I think the idea that one English club's owners would try and break ranks and franchise the club to another location shatters that unity.

 

I dont think the other 'European' clubs never mind the other English clubs would stand for it. That club would be in danger of being kicked out of the league and group they'd just helped established.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Don't get this "earn it" talk. It is literally the 14 richest clubs who have "earned" their spot. The one you can bitch about is AC Milan.

The competitiveness thing is moot as well - LFC could get relegated from the Premeir League based on the results.

I am not sure about the viability of the project but if you want to have a go at it I don't think "earning" or "competition" are the angles to take. 

You should never be guaranteed a spot in the biggest competition, you absolutely should have to qualify for it.

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2 hours ago, Stickman said:

According to St Gary this isn't for the moral bastions of the game ....

 

 

And basically Ole and the players can keep shtum as it won't make a blind bit of difference but Klopp and Liverpool players can be the ones that go over the top fighting for everybody else

And if we manage to stop this all happening then we'll still have the title of the most hated club in the league

 

 

What a ratfaced shit house

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Just now, DalyanPete said:

What a ratfaced shit house

Like the way he avoids naming his buddy Ole so as not to put pressure on him  there. Cunt

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Oliver Dowden can fuck off with his faux 'fan led' review. He's done fuck all to get PL games free to air outside of covid restrictions.

 

He wants to put a straight jacket on football. Like it or not, some clubs will always have more money and some will always not have enough.

 

What this cunt will propose will be a football system similar to what 'Eastern Europe' had during the 70s and 80's. State run clubs which no one wants.

 

Some bint just on SSN saying 'we're looking into whether these (Euro League) proposals breach competition rules'! Is she fucking kidding? Maybe she could look into the formation of the Premier League then sky's monopoly of televised sport, not just football, BT's sole UK provider of televised Champions League and Europa League for starters.

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15 minutes ago, Jockey said:

It is a valid argument that Leeds did not 'earn' their Champions League slot. They took out a loan and paid for it on the never never. 

So now you are conflating two issues. Their performance on the field qualified them for the CL didn't it? Isn't that what we are talking about?

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Saudi takeover of Newcastle back on? "Brilliant."

 

Some clubs want to take some power away from the PL cashcow? "Drop a legislative bomb on it."

 

Literally no populist seam this cunt government won't mine.

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Because pulling out of a long established European coalition to 'take back control' of ones own finances is clearly something Johnson would never be on board with.

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Little Englander Brexit voting St George Flag crew “keep politics out of sport”. 
 

Also them “the government should intervene in the free market because I don’t like what’s happening and it might affect me”. 
 

What a shit couple of days. 

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6 minutes ago, dave u said:

Because pulling out of a long established European coalition to 'take back control' of ones own finances is clearly something Johnson would never be on board with.

Johnson never pulls out of anything (apart from the NI Protocol). It's why he's got so many kids (allegedly). 

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