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55 minutes ago, Thoth said:

I read somewhere that on a champions league night on BT there are 5 times as many viewers watch the goals show rather than individual matches, and that included a lot of fans of the teams playing that night.. because they like the goals and highlights rather than the full match.. weird 

Sounds about right.

Clubs can obviously see were the cash is going to come from in the future so striking early 

On the same show he also said he wasn't in favour of the new champions league format.

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8 hours ago, skaro said:

 

Quite a few of those 9 matches would get a bit meaningless though from around the half-way point, wouldn't they?

 

Or do all 20 teams get through to the knockout stage:  ie. Top of Group A vs bottom of Group B... second-top of Group A vs second-bottom of Group B etc...

 

Are you in, Baz?  Or is this just the sort of shite we expected to finally make us pack football in?

 

 

They're doing a play off system though aren't they, so quite a lot of places will be up for grabs? It's not like there's not lots of dead rubbers already. 

 

As for being in - I'm most definitely not in, but I don't feel as passionately as say @Brownie is. For me this has been the agenda all along from the American owners here, it's why they're here and in terms of increasing capital value of the clubs, they don't even need more money, they just need to lose the risk of "relegation" from the CL - that will increase the value overnight. That's the bottom line here, making strong and predictable revenues, rather than having to plan in the dark. And of course control some spending. I've been unhappy with this ownership since pretty much day 1. At every turn they've shown that they're here to milk every cent from us. I've said all along they don't want the likes of me in the stadium. They want it to be a tourist activity and if this ESL drive away a few more thousand of us "legacy fans", well fsg and the others will be fucking delighted. 

 

But all this talk of it killing the game. Well it'll kill the football we knew - but how long have I been banging on that this is entertainment and not sport? Our objective is not to win, but to just ensure we are where the millions are. We've got that now. For me the game I knew is dead already and this is just perhaps the curtain being pulled back and everyone holding their hands up "yeah, you got us, it's just a money go round, it's not sport". 

 

This coupled with this VAR shite just has me shrugging my shoulders thinking what's the fucking point. I've got about a month when the ST renewals have to be in to make up my mind if I gib it all together. For years I've been going as my mates I've been going to the match with for 40 years, I'll probably rarely see If i don't go the game. My love of the game has been drained out of me almost week by week since Istanbul. 

7 hours ago, Saintslfc13 said:

I think that statement from Perez means fuck all really, they all signed the contracts sure but they could decide to dissolve the league if a mutually beneficial and better received alternative was put forward. That's basically just him saying that these 12 are solidified in this stance and will be negotiated with as a block or not at all.

Yeah, but it probably locks in some of the clubs who may walk away alone. 

7 hours ago, Denny Crane said:

They let Perez loose and the results are in. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How fucking depressing. 

45 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

And there a little spark of light in the greed machine that is football. 

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57 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

He was very good in that interview. 
 

Just another thing on this strange Sky Sports prioritisation of wrongs: Have Neville and Carragher ever raised the human rights abuses of some club owners on their programme? 

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I've thought long and hard about this and looked through everything available and all I can see, if this comes to fruition, is sport as spectacle, not competition.

 

I don't think it would happen, but if it does I think naturally I'll move away.

 

The English league would suffer as the the competition disappears as 'The Big Six' save their energies, or put their second string out, to compete in the ESL. Maybe they'll just be two squads, the moneys there. If they are faltering in the ESL what's the point of trying if there's no relegation, so in both competitions there could be a natural apathy.

 

It could end up where you have a team playing for nothing in both competitions as there's no jeopardy and that's what keeps us coming back, right?

 

This has not been fully thought through and should never have made it past 'brain storming'.

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I think we’re screwed as a club and a group of legacy supporters regardless of what happens now.

 

Either it goes ahead, or FSG sulk and don’t even feign interest any more, sitting on their investment for a few years until a sales opportunity arises. 
 

Success was fun while it lasted though.

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19 minutes ago, J-V said:

It has most definitely has been fully thought through.  Thats one thing that can’t be levelled at this.
 

 

 

As a stand alone league, perhaps, but as two league system, not a chance.

 

There are far too many variables which reduce competition and hence the interest in both.

 

All well and good saying 'Look at the American system', but this isn't that, it a frankenstein's monster of an idea with nothing but greed at it's centre.

 

This is testing the water for a proper European league, which, despite our protestations, would work. This hybrid system doesn't stand a chance as both 'products' suffer because of the other and would reduce the quilaty in both because of the stipulations they both contain.

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36 minutes ago, Saintslfc13 said:


Yea I can live with the idea of this Super League as alternative to the CL even if I don't think it's necessarily the best way to reform that competition or football as a whole. If they completely change the game though then that's another thing entirely. I would say the only timing rule change I could see being a good idea is just stopping the clock when the ball goes out of touch and for set pieces, and that's only because I've had enough of players writhing on the ground for 5 minutes to kill a game or the new one which has been them actually walking back onto the pitch before going down as it never seems to all get made up in stoppage time (not to mention they do it in stoppage time as well). Then again if the refs just carded that behavior it wouldn't happen as much.


I do wonder if that study Thoth mentioned was influenced by the Pandemic and lack of fans being able to really gather for the game anywhere. I'm not sure what the rules are across Europe regarding private gatherings and/or pubs being open etc. I know here in CA they've opened most things to a limited capacity with masks being required except when actively eating or drinking (though the latter is hardly enforced).


Along the way you can be sure all changes that will increase the value of the Brand will be made. Could be rules of the game, transfer rules, colour of shirts, when the games are being played, where they are being played, name of the club and so on. As long as the business case is positive these any change will be made. To an extent this may already be the case in football, but I have no doubt this will get a lot worse if a closed circle of clubs get full control of things.

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2 minutes ago, Istvan Kuntstain said:

Find it so funny the PM can get involved with this but couldn't be arsed with NI

It's an easy PR win.

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1 minute ago, J-V said:

It's an easy PR win.

Yep few more % points, look at him fighting for whats right blah blah and people just forget about his parties corruption etc - odd how this is greedy yet it was fine with the vaccine

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According to St Gary this isn't for the moral bastions of the game ....

 

 

And basically Ole and the players can keep shtum as it won't make a blind bit of difference but Klopp and Liverpool players can be the ones that go over the top fighting for everybody else

And if we manage to stop this all happening then we'll still have the title of the most hated club in the league

 

 

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The entire world of football would be in a far, far better state of health and be in incredibly safe hands if it just placed Jurgen Klopp in charge.

 

Klopp is the embodiment of everything which is, or which has ever been good in the game.

 

I hope he batters the Yanks.

 

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Just now, Stickman said:

According to St Gary this isn't for the moral bastions of the game ....

So basically Ole and the players can keep shtum as it won't make a blind bit of difference but Klopp and Liverpool players can be the ones that go over the top fighting for everybody else

And if we manage to stop this all happening then we'll still have the title of the most hated club in the league

 

 

And he was trying his damnedest last night to make sure this would be the case.

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Setting aside the obvious morality issues for just a second, this will be shit and bore everyone to fucking tears in no time. A quarter of the sides we play every year guaranteed to be English? That’ll be a really fresh and exciting addition to European football. The novelty when we play someone we’ve never faced before, the thrill when we draw someone we’ve not played for a long time, the enjoyment of planning trips to cities you’re not familiar with, the romanticism of hoping to draw old royalty like Ajax. All gone, all variety, chance and serendipity gone, to be endlessly replaced by the same thin strip of fixtures on rails twice a year every year, with a big chunk of them also repeated domestically. Be like when we played Chelsea time after time for several years in the mid-2000s and both sides became too familiar with each other. You just end up getting sick of it, like an initially catchy song which quickly has you wanting to throw your radio into an erupting volcano when you hear it ten times a day every day everywhere you go.

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5 minutes ago, Stickman said:

According to St Gary this isn't for the moral bastions of the game ....

 

 

And basically Ole and the players can keep shtum as it won't make a blind bit of difference but Klopp and Liverpool players can be the ones that go over the top fighting for everybody else

And if we manage to stop this all happening then we'll still have the title of the most hated club in the league

 

 

 

I mean, being charitable there, he's calling out the Man Utd ownership as the worst of the lot. He's just not being direct enough.

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6 minutes ago, Stickman said:

According to St Gary this isn't for the moral bastions of the game ....

 

 

And basically Ole and the players can keep shtum as it won't make a blind bit of difference but Klopp and Liverpool players can be the ones that go over the top fighting for everybody else

And if we manage to stop this all happening then we'll still have the title of the most hated club in the league

 

 

 

So its on Liverpool to save football. 

 

Good one Gaz. And if they do you'll have no marks like Des Kelly taking the piss out of klopp again next year, telling us he's cracking up, and to get on with it as City sign Messi and Haaland, yet have a smaller wage bill than us.

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It's a done deal as far as I can see. Things will never be the same. No more European Cup adventures - absolutely gutting.

 

Football needed changing and unfortunately those in charge have sat on their hands getting rich and fat. Meanwhile the vultures in the USA have worked behind the scenes and ripped up the whole thing and are putting in place what they want.

 

There were changes that could have been made but there are too many self interests.

 

The Premier League is too big - should have been reduced by two teams.

 

The Europa League is too big - go back to a cup.

 

Bring back the Cup winners cup for domestic cup winners.

 

Let 5 or 6 in England qualify for the Champions League - it's ok for teams in Spain, France, Germany and Italy - their leagues arent as cut throat so the Barcelonas and PSGs are going to quality year in year out while we've got to battle every weekend. 

 

I don't think we'll play in the European cup / Champions League again - that for me is pretty devastating.

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5 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Setting aside the obvious morality issues for just a second, this will be shit and bore everyone to fucking tears in no time. A quarter of the sides we play every year guaranteed to be English? That’ll be a really fresh and exciting addition to European football. The novelty when we play someone we’ve never faced before, the thrill when we draw someone we’ve not played for a long time, the enjoyment of planning trips to cities you’re not familiar with, the romanticism of hoping to draw old royalty like Ajax. All gone, all variety, chance and serendipity gone, to be endlessly replaced by the same thin strip of fixtures on rails twice a year every year, with a big chunk of them also repeated domestically. Be like when we played Chelsea time after time for several years in the mid-2000s and both sides became too familiar with each other. You just end up getting sick of it, like an initially catchy song which quickly has you wanting to throw your radio into an erupting volcano.

To a lot of us maybe, but to the target markets in Asia and Africia it probably won't be. A lot of them follow players rather than clubs anyway

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The Guardian live blog on this has a Manc linking to his Twitter profile about United! Lots of little digs about Klopp and the 'Merseyside Reds'. Leeds can fuck off - they went bankrupt through greed and sacked loads of people through their idiocy. 

 

I saw a point this morning which I think was really valid. This is a way of taking the risk out of their investments but, the massive returns are dependent upon risk. I keep watching Sky and reading the media and I see lots and lots of effort to stop this - but nobody is talking about how we make sure it doesn't happen again. I understand calling for FSG to go, and this has shifted me wholesale from being supportive of them to wanting them gone - but, our new owners will likely be a Hedge fund or a corporation, they will likely want a return on their investment! 

 

I'd rather the change is on the structure of ownership. I noticed Steve Parish on Newsnight saying 'nobody wants fan ownerships'! 

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