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I remember up in Scotland years ago when it seemed like every summer that both Celtic and Rangers were threatening to bin off the Scottish laegue and go it alone. Every time they'd win some concession, often money based, and the threat was staved off for another year or so.

 

I loved it when the other teams had finally had enough and called the Old Firm's bluff, every other team resigning from the league thus leaving Celtic and Rangers in a league of two. Genius, those 2 Glasgow giants soon came crawling back to the table, tails between their legs.

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1 minute ago, J-V said:

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Uefa had the chance they tucked up.  Sky had the chance they fucked over the fans fans and make themselves and a bunch of other hunts rich whilst destroying clubs along the way.  Fuck them.

Ive got to admit,  Sky and UEFA and the rest that have long betrayed traditional fans since 1992, now calling for solidarity and support from us is pretty funny.

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5 minutes ago, Reckoner said:

I may be naive mate, but I couldn’t disagree more with that agenda point.

A lot of people have tried to sound clever regarding the 1992 point. He faced it head on. Sky have a lot to lose, but if this happens the TV rights have to be sold to someone remember, and Sky would be in pole position.

I hate sounding like a bot defending fucking Sky of all people! But I’ve long been impressed with the honesty shown in MNF post match discussions. Tonight was good.

 

I read that the ESL chosen broadcaster is DAZN?

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3 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

How about they're told to fuck off and proper European clubs like Ajax and Sevilla are invited instead?

Well I'd agree to an extent, same goes for Arsenal and Tottenham, but that's not the reality of the current situation.  They've been really short sighted though by opting for so few free spaces, a ratio of 15/5 is really poor. Still got to wonder if it's their starting point in negotiations with UEFA.

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6 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Exactly, the clubs will make their own FFP rules and be free to chuck them out of the biggest prestige competition in town.  They can spend all they like and just win the PL, when everyone will see them chucked out of the ESL for not playing fairly.  They will conform or be exposed.  It's basically the big old clubs doing the job that UEFA wouldn't do.  You have to applaud that. But the media don't want to mention this.  

That's how I see it as well and whilst I can understand the uproar I think it's the point most are missing. It's also what makes the backlash from UEFA and FIFA (allegedly?) ridiculous as well. I suspect any issue FIFA, if there is one, have would be rectified with the Super League clubs all agreeing to participate in their reformed Club World Cup plans though, maybe a few brown envelopes for good measure.

I think I'm in the camp as most here, I don't particularly want this league to happen but I'm equally not going to join in the hyperbole and twist the knife into the club for making sure they have a seat at the table. Like you said I do admire these clubs saying enough is enough we're starting our own party and if you want in you need to keep the playing field level.

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2 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

The reaction by Sky makes it pretty clear that they won't be involved. It's probably why they are so angry about it!

 

I would expect that the clubs will either stream it through their own websites/tv channels or they will create some form of Super League Netflix subscription service?

That's exactly it. It's not just that their principal asset risks being devalued. It's that the entire football media rights landscape will be transformed. 

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3 minutes ago, Carvalho Diablo said:

I read that the ESL chosen broadcaster is DAZN?

Not read enough about it mate. Was just a stream of consciousness point. I stick by my Carra point though!

If this absolutely fucks Sky over I’d be delighted 

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1 minute ago, Josef Svejk said:

That's exactly it. It's not just that their principal asset risks being devalued. It's that the entire football media rights landscape will be transformed. 

Reason alone to do it.

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54 minutes ago, Judge said:

They are not relevant. They are purely «money clubs» and this was expected from them. It was not expected from LFC, so it is no surprise that we get the hardest reactions.

What constitutes a "money club"? On whose watch and under whose authority were "money clubs" created? Are "money clubs" only relevant when they sweep trophies from non-"money clubs"? In which case, are they highly relevant? Or are they still, then, not relevant, and if so has the entire game not become irrelevant under the watchful eyes of the authorities and governance boards who facilitated this and often celebrated this?

 

12 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

 It's basically the big old clubs doing the job that UEFA wouldn't do.  You have to applaud that. But the media don't want to mention this.

 

Yes. This is also being examined purely from a British perspective. Such is the debt accrued by the old European Giants in trying to keep pace with the City and PSGs of the world, that this kind of competition may be one of the few ways in which they remain a going concern.

 

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3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

It's not a league in that way. It's 2 leagues of 10, with each club playing 9 matches before a knockout tournament. 

 

Quite a few of those 9 matches would get a bit meaningless though from around the half-way point, wouldn't they?

 

Or do all 20 teams get through to the knockout stage:  ie. Top of Group A vs bottom of Group B... second-top of Group A vs second-bottom of Group B etc...

 

Are you in, Baz?  Or is this just the sort of shite we expected to finally make us pack football in?

 

 

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Sky are self-serving dickheads responsible for a lot of football's ills - check.

The current system means that pretty much all titles will be won by City, Chelsea and United if they get a decent manager unless a Liverpool or Arsenal have a Jurgen or a young Wenger. Maybe a once in 20 or 30 years season a random club might win it - check.

A majority or at least a very large minority of football fans are complete dickheads in this country - check.

The FA and UEFA are part of the problem - check.

Historic clubs like Benfica, Celtic, Steau and Ajax etc just cannon fodder financially for no mark clubs - check

 

Nothing we didn't know. I hate most fans in this country with their agro towards us. I hate Tyler with his blatant dislike for us.

 

You know what I hate most though. These greedy bastards taking my club away from me. Puting us in a league I ethically can't stand and then see the club moved to Seoul or Mumbai when they realise that's more profitable than a half filled Anfield just like franchises in the NFL. I hate me begrudging parents taking their kids to Anfield for an ESL game if the club even stays there because that is wrong.

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1 minute ago, Alex_K said:

Yes. This is also being examined purely from a British perspective. Such is the debt accrued by the old European Giants in trying to keep pace with the City and PSGs of the world, that this kind of competition may be one of the few ways in which they remain a going concern.

This is important. Aren’t Barca like seriously screwed at the moment? Like really really seriously?

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5 minutes ago, Saintslfc13 said:

That's how I see it as well and whilst I can understand the uproar I think it's the point most are missing. It's also what makes the backlash from UEFA and FIFA (allegedly?) ridiculous as well. I suspect any issue FIFA, if there is one, have would be rectified with the Super League clubs all agreeing to participate in their reformed Club World Cup plans though, maybe a few brown envelopes for good measure.

I think I'm in the camp as most here, I don't particularly want this league to happen but I'm equally not going to join in the hyperbole and twist the knife into the club for making sure they have a seat at the table. Like you said I do admire these clubs saying enough is enough we're starting our own party and if you want in you need to keep the playing field level.

So what's gained from including Man City, Chelsea, and probably PSG? Their "legacy" fanbase is limited enough. They're politically toxic. So, if you're not going to allow them to spend obscene amounts...? 

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1 minute ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

Sky are self-serving dickheads responsible for a lot of football's ills - check.

The current system means that pretty much all titles will be won by City, Chelsea and United if they get a decent manager unless a Liverpool or Arsenal have a Jurgen or a young Wenger. Maybe a once in 20 or 30 years season a random club might win it - check.

A majority or at least a very large minority of football fans are complete dickheads in this country - check.

The FA and UEFA are part of the problem - check.

Historic clubs like Benfica, Celtic, Steau and Ajax etc just cannon fodder financially for no mark clubs - check

 

Nothing we didn't know. I hate most fans in this country with their agro towards us. I hate Tyler with his blatant dislike for us.

 

You know what I hate most though. These greedy bastards taking my club away from me. Puting us in a league I ethically can't stand and then see the club moved to Seoul or Mumbai when they realise that's more profitable than a half filled Anfield just like franchises in the NFL. I hate me begrudging parents taking their kids to Anfield for an ESL game if the club even stays there because that is wrong.

Fuck the Baltimore Rats. Go Browns. #woofwoof

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7 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

The reaction by Sky makes it pretty clear that they won't be involved. It's probably why they are so angry about it!

 

I would expect that the clubs will either stream it through their own websites/tv channels or they will create some form of Super League Netflix subscription service?

I think what's driving sky and BT's reaction, for whatever reason and I could guess at a few such as scheduling televised PL games for clubs involved in Europeat 12.30 on a Saturday etc, is they havent been asked to be primary broadcaster so they've taken their ball home.

 

Im pretty sure Sky and BT have been dead against own club tv channels streaming games and other obstacles. Just why would clubs wanting to do this engage with sky \ BT if they are blocking it? Why not go for another provider who is on board?

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4 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

Yes. This is also being examined purely from a British perspective. Such is the debt accrued by the old European Giants in trying to keep pace with the City and PSGs of the world, that this kind of competition may be one of the few ways in which they remain a going concern.

 

It's no coincidence that after 12 months of Covid that its PSG, City and Chelsea that are making up 3 of the 4 semi final spots whereas Barcelona and Madrid are in precarious financial positions.  

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2 minutes ago, Reckoner said:

This is important. Aren’t Barca like seriously screwed at the moment? Like really really seriously?

The motivation of the Spanish and Italian clubs is very clear.

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4 minutes ago, Reckoner said:

This is important. Aren’t Barca like seriously screwed at the moment? Like really really seriously?

Yes. Juventus too. All sorts of bond obligations on the horizon. I do not think UEFA/media conglomerates will give up their cash cow, and I do not think the Founding 12 will forego demands to their share of the pie and control of regulation, so I do not think this will go away.

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3 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

So what's gained from including Man City, Chelsea, and probably PSG? Their "legacy" fanbase is limited enough. They're politically toxic. So, if you're not going to allow them to spend obscene amounts...? 

I don't know if you can exclude the oil clubs and still expect to sell the "product" to oil countries.  It's unpalatable to say, very unpalatable, but the reality is they have already bought their seats at the top table.

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9 minutes ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

 

Nothing we didn't know. I hate most fans in this country with their agro towards us. I hate Tyler with his blatant dislike for us.

 

You know what I hate most though. These greedy bastards taking my club away from me. Puting us in a league I ethically can't stand and then see the club moved to Seoul or Mumbai when they realise that's more profitable than a half filled Anfield just like franchises in the NFL. I hate me begrudging parents taking their kids to Anfield for an ESL game if the club even stays there because that is wrong.

 

I actually don't give a fuck about what Tyler or other fans think of us, and whether they hate us.


I hate whoever of "us" is agreeing and proposing to do this to us.

 

I'm sure the MCG here where I live can draw 100,000 people for a Liverpool/Real Madrid Super League clash.  

 

But, that can go and fuck itself.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Moo said:

I don't know if you can exclude the oil clubs and still expect to sell the "product" to oil countries.  It's unpalatable to say, very unpalatable, but the reality is they have already bought their seats at the top table.

Sportswashing successful... 

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Just now, Denny Crane said:

Some front pages and back. 

 

 

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I think I have been naive. Why do they care now? But not before? 
Those headlines sicken me in a way.

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Those fucking Leeds shirts all over the press! Sorry to repeat myself, but... 

 

Leeds ownership: 63% sports media rights proprietor; 37% NFL team. 

 

Obviously a purely ethical concern on their part. 

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