Russia v Ukraine

[bossy]

Big shock to find Gnasher pushing this. 

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, bossy said:

Big shock to find Gnasher pushing this. 

 

I didn't fly the flag. That's the Ukrainian fans.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

England fans were flying a flag that says "Stop the Boats".  

I don't think we can gauge the mood of the population or what's best for a country by reading a flag at a football match. (Despite the relentless "Immigrants are coming to get you" scaremongering propaganda, fewer than 1 in 5 adults rate immigration as their top electoral concern.)

 

Football fans express opinions like "Southend United FC, We're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen", so their judgement is not always reliable.

[Gnasher]

13 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

England fans were flying a flag that says "Stop the Boats".  

I don't think we can gauge the mood of the population or what's best for a country by reading a flag at a football match. (Despite the relentless "Immigrants are coming to get you" scaremongering propaganda, fewer than 1 in 5 adults rate immigration as their top electoral concern.)

 

Football fans express opinions like "Southend United FC, We're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen", so their judgement is not always reliable.

 

You seriously compering a throwaway "were the best team in the land" football chant by Southend fans to a flag containing a political slogan by Ukrainian fans in the stadium of a European tournament?  Hope they take it down if it causes so much upset although I'd have thought they had more right than most to express an opinion. 

[TheSire]

14 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

England fans were flying a flag that says "Stop the Boats".  

I don't think we can gauge the mood of the population or what's best for a country by reading a flag at a football match. (Despite the relentless "Immigrants are coming to get you" scaremongering propaganda, fewer than 1 in 5 adults rate immigration as their top electoral concern.)

 

Football fans express opinions like "Southend United FC, We're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen", so their judgement is not always reliable.

That's what he does though. Makes inferences off the back of twitter rumours, an interview, article, hearsay. Optics over substance.

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, TheSire said:

That's what he does though. Makes inferences off the back of twitter rumours, an interview, article, hearsay. Optics over substance.

 

Aw you're all upset again are you? Don't talk about me kiddo. I think them fans have a bit more right to express an opinion than a blert like you on the internet. Even if it upsets you.

[TheSire]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Aw you're all upset again are you? Don't talk about me kiddo. I think them fans have a bit more right to express an opinion than a blert like you on the internet. Even if it upsets you.

Who said anything about being upset? I was just pointing out that you're wrong, yet again. Feel free to back up what you were infering by finding something someone said on twitter.

 

You're on the ball with most things, not this though.

[TheSire]

Less of the bickering and more on why an election may be a bad idea. Russia will pour a ton of resource into spreading disinformation around the Ukrainian government, they'll likely fund Russia appeasing opposition, a chunk of Ukraine now can't vote as that territory is now a conflict zone, Russia could target their missile campaign on civilians in parts of Ukraine to try to affect the turnout. It's just not a stable time to hold a fair vote, free of outside influence.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Aw you're all upset again are you? Don't talk about me kiddo. I think them fans have a bit more right to express an opinion than a blert like you on the internet. Even if it upsets you.

I think everyone should have an equal right to express an opinion.  (Yeah, I'm a radical that way.). I also know that not all opinions are representative of the wider population; not even those that are written on a flag.

[TheHowieLama]

Reckon the Nazis might show up again if there is an election.

[TheHowieLama]

something, something mainstream media blah something:

 

Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich went on trial behind closed doors in Yekaterinburg on Wednesday, 15 months after his arrest in the Russian city on espionage charges that he, his employer and the U.S. government vehemently deny.

The 32-year-old journalist appeared in the court in a glass defendants’ cage, his head shaved and wearing a black-and-blue plaid shirt. A yellow padlock was attached to the cage.

Gershkovich is the first Western journalist arrested on espionage charges in post-Soviet Russia. Authorities arrested Gershkovich when he was on a reporting trip to Yekaterinburg, in the Ural Mountains, and claimed he was gathering secret information for the U.S. The State Department has declared him “wrongfully detained,” thereby committing the government to assertively seek his release.

 

 

The Journal has worked diligently to keep the case in the public eye and it has become an issue in the combative months leading up to the U.S. presidential election.

[Section_31]

Russians good, Israel bad - both doing same  thing.

 

Does not compute. 

[Gnasher]

55 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Russians good, Israel bad - both doing same  thing.

 

Does not compute. 

 

Who said the Russians were good?

 

Plus I think our leaders have shown a slightly more sympathetic attitude to the occupied Ukrainians compared to what's been offered towards the Palestinians.

[Gnasher]

Speaking of Ukraine. This should go down well. If the polls are correct this German opposition party are on course for a landslide. The link below that has Mark Ames and the FT dropping truth bombs. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheSire]

You don't realise how smug you come across sometimes. It's always a 'told you so' attitude, you genuinely can't help yourself. 

[Curly]

On 25/06/2024 at 08:56, TheSire said:

81% of Ukrainians are against holding elections during the war, but look at that flag!

Thought the exact same thing mate. They generally don’t think it’s the right thing to do

[Section_31]

Maybe the Russians should have proper elections.

[TheHowieLama]

The June 19 defense pact signed between Russia and North Korea included a promise to provide military assistance to one another – within days Pyongyang said it was sending troops to Ukraine.

 

The military treaty states: “In the event that any one of the two sides is put in a state of war by an armed invasion from an individual state or several states, the other side shall provide military and other assistance with all means in its possession without delay.”

In response to that Pyongyang announced early this week that it will be sending troops in the form of a military engineering unit to support Russian forces on the ground in the Donetsk region. The troops are expected to arrive on the battlefield as soon as next month.

The DPRK has already supplied almost two million rounds of artillery ammunition, rockets for Russian multiple launch rocket systems and, it is alleged, ballistic missiles to support Putin’s forces since the two leaders met in Russia in September. The active participation of North Korean combat troops raises the specter of escalation to the conflict, especially as commentators think it will not go well for Pyongyang’s sappers on the battlefield.

[Turkish Delight]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Maybe the Russians should have proper elections.

 

It's annoyed me a bit that the likes of the BBC haven't called out Farage properly about the comment on 'admiring Putin as a political operator'.

 

So basically he admires how he suppresses the media, murders political opponents, rigs elections and sells off state assets to allies for pennies who then make billions off them.

 

Says everything about the sort of world Farage would like.

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Maybe the Russians should have proper elections.

Don’t go near any windows for the next few days mate 

[SasaS]

Ukraine doesn't need elections in the middle of a war, but could probably use some form of a national unity government with wider sharing of power, beyond Zelensky's party. Or at least his chief of staff.

 

They have bigger priorities though.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Maybe the Russians should have proper elections.

President Vladimir Putin won a record post-Soviet landslide in Russia's election on Sunday.

Putin won 87.8% of the vote, the highest ever result in Russia's post-Soviet history, according to an exit poll by pollster the Public Opinion Foundation (FOM). The Russian Public Opinion Research Centre (VCIOM) put Putin on 87%.

The outcome means Putin, 71, is set to embark on a new six-year term that will see him overtake Josef Stalin and become Russia's longest-serving leader for more than 200 years if he completes it.

[Megadrive Man]

1 hour ago, Turkish Delight said:

 

It's annoyed me a bit that the likes of the BBC haven't called out Farage properly about the comment on 'admiring Putin as a political operator'.

 

So basically he admires how he suppresses the media, murders political opponents, rigs elections and sells off state assets to allies for pennies who then make billions off them.

 

Says everything about the sort of world Farage would like.

 

Why do you think Reform are the only 'political party' where Farage can just decide he's going to lead it four and a half weeks before a general election.

 

I've not seen or heard anybody really push him on how Reform is essentially just the Nigel Farage party and he is the dictator. 

[TheHowieLama]

Nigel Farage is a mouthpiece, not a dictator.

[SasaS]

Orban in Kiev, suggesting Ukraine should cease firing at Russians, as Hungary takes over EU presidency,

 

Russia is now presiding over the UN Security Council.

 

What a joke. You don't even need Trump.